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A Diamond is Forever...or is it?... DeBeers got ya'll again!

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CWrite78		#121	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 17270 01/03/12 10:10 PM	quick question, are meth and silly arguing or agreeing with each other? One Nation Under God Complex
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slickp42189		#122	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 385 01/03/12 10:30 PM	0cks wrote: slickp42189 wrote: 0cks wrote: Do I like Diamonds? Yeah I like how they look but they are on the bottom of the totem pole as far as my priorities go... on a day to day they provide me no utility so I would not spend major bucks on them for myself. I also realize that $ isn't "real" so I have no problem using those numbers in my bank account to make my Gal smile (emotions are real deal Holyfield) not tryin to send shots but you might want to get another girl if your bank account gives your girl a smile, and by the emphasis you put on emotions im assuming it makes her very happy, or if you make her smile by using the numbers in your bank account (buying her stuff) but i feel both sides Did I say it's the only thing that makes her smile? Which girl wouldn't smile if you bought her jewelry with diamonds? I may be wrong but I thought the issue in this thread was the overvaluation of Diamonds... I'm sayin money isn't real either it's just a means of taking care of our needs and helping us achieve/feel emotions we normally would/could not (live music, vacations, luxury goods etc.) Right or wrong that's just capitalism not at all, but you put hella emphasis on it, maybe you were tryin to flex with your bank acct, idk, think of any rich girl who has had diamonds their whole life, they wouldnt smile i wasnt tryin to go at you, ill admit tho you were comin off as a sugar daddy and even though shes yours i cant relate, but you are so right and wrong at the same time, you put value into whatever, you cant tell me if someone dropped a billion dollars in your lap you would be happier than a family who finally had their first child after trying to reproduce for years, your mindset fuels capitalism and even though we all live and abide by the rules not everyone gets the same kicks out of money and what it buys
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cartune		#123	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 8756 01/03/12 10:30 PM	in the land of the blind the man with one eye gets told he is King Men Lie, Women Lie, Men & Women Make Numbers Lie
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slickp42189		#124	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 386 01/03/12 10:44 PM	Yeah wrote: illphillip wrote: Yeah wrote: In witnessing what often ensues when sillyputty posts, I have assumed that his main purpose is to challenge your thought process and your beliefs by providing factual evidence that sheds light on some of the lesser known realities about the world we live in. I've never seen him refute anything that had scientific and factual backing. I have, however, seen him refute the beliefs that many hold true and dear to their hearts, which has in turn caused a lot of turmoil between him and the General forum at large. To be honest, I usually find myself siding with sillyputty, even though I choose not to post in his defense. Life has taught me that people like sillyputty don't need people to act in their defense, as they often take refuge in their own philosophy once society has exiled them for thinking differently. Many of you have to realize that you are all entitled to your own beliefs, but you are not entitled to your own facts, and thus stop taking it so personally when someone like sillyputty comes around and shares their beliefs about a subject that no one really knows the answers to... whether it be the meaning of life, the existence of a benevolent creator, or what have you... You almost seem to be using "beliefs" and "facts" interchangeably here. sillyputty is very much entitled to his own beliefs. Yet has little to no respect for others'. But he seems to treat his beliefs as FACTS. And I think that is the issue people have with the manner in which he conveys said beliefs. When someone says they like the way diamonds look, and his response is diamonds "don't intrinsically look good", is that a FACT, or a belief? If it's a fact, then what does intrinsically look good as a FACT? I'm not saying he is not factually correct in some of his arguments. But so many of these debates are one opinion vs. another in which he refuses to accept that there MIGHT be a view contrary to his own. EDIT: Standing ovation for Method Man! I wish I knew how to post gifs! I used beliefs and facts "interchangeably" in my post because many people choose to do so. In in the context of criticizing the way that sillyputty conveys his beliefs, the same can be said for many people who choose to dispute his beliefs using their own as a basis. Take any one of the many religious debates that ensue as an example. People, having no factual or evidential evidence, simply refuse to even entertain the idea of their religion being wrong. It makes sense that someone wouldn't want to make that conclusion, but it doesn't excuse their stubbornness in doing so. I think sillyputty just catches a lot of heat for it because his beliefs aren't within the mainstream spectrum, so instead of being backed by a different sect of beliefs, he is backed by nothing but his own revelation and what he uses as evidence; of which can be interpreted in many different ways. Many of the things that you are accusing him of are things that people who choose to dispute his beliefs are guilty of themselves. Like I said before, I just think he catches more heat for it because his views aren't in the realm of popularity. Meh. sometimes its part of their religion to have unshaken faith, but just because they argue their point doesnt mean they havent already asked themselves the same questions sillyputty asks them i mean seriously, everyone has questioned their religious faith at some point, idc about exceptions, their stubbornness is their choice to believe what they want to and they dont have to prove it to anyone, and atheism is extremely popular, its not nearly as famous as some religions but it is extremely popular, if anything he probably gets heat because people say he attacks them rather than saying something like "yea that doesnt make sense because you cant prove it" he makes assumptions and tries to impress them on whoever hes arguing with and thats where things go wrong, hes not "opening minds" people already do that themselves and choose what they want
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theone2401		#125	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 9694 01/03/12 10:46 PM	YEA sillyputty get some empathy bro before its to late WASHINGTON REDSKINS Super Bowl Champions: XVII:XXII:XXVI TEAMNEWYORKMETS
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ElderWatsonDiggs		#126	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 2926 01/03/12 10:49 PM	I have ALWAYS known about the whole DeBeers ad campaign as far as diamonds...but my girl is beautiful, kind, and she takes care of me...she wants a diamond engagement ring. I'm getting her one. End of $$@!$! story. Does that make me stupid? I don't give a +@@%. She wants a damn diamond and she getting one. I'm tired of the anti-social conspiracy theory brigade here on Niketalk. You know if you want to go make hand babies for your whole life, or you are into Miss Bohemia who doesn't shave her pits or wear deodorant and wears hemp bracelets then by all means go ahead...but stop trying to convince the world that they are doing wrong by buying diamonds. Almost all worth is relative...you $$@!$! hypebeasts on here think a pair of fruity colored SB's is worth camping out in a line for days in the wet and rainy cold is "worth" it. Next up for the NikeTalk conspiracy brigade...wiping your #*# with toilet paper causes rectal cancer due to the TP being treated with a carcinogenic chemical...Oh noes!!!! SPECIAL OPERATION FORCES TRUTHS #1. HUMANS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN HARDWARE Hardware is only a tool. Humans actually conceive of, initiate, accomplish action. Success or failure depends on the human element.
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LDJ		#127	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 2515 01/03/12 11:05 PM	ElderWatsonDiggs wrote: I have ALWAYS known about the whole DeBeers ad campaign as far as diamonds...but my girl is beautiful, kind, and she takes care of me...she wants a diamond engagement ring. I'm getting her one. End of $$@!$! story. Does that make me stupid? I don't give a +@@%. She wants a damn diamond and she getting one. I'm tired of the anti-social conspiracy theory brigade here on Niketalk. You know if you want to go make hand babies for your whole life, or you are into Miss Bohemia who doesn't shave her pits or wear deodorant and wears hemp bracelets then by all means go ahead...but stop trying to convince the world that they are doing wrong by buying diamonds. Almost all worth is relative...you $$@!$! hypebeasts on here think a pair of fruity colored SB's is worth camping out in a line for days in the wet and rainy cold is "worth" it. Next up for the NikeTalk conspiracy brigade...wiping your #*# with toilet paper causes rectal cancer due to the TP being treated with a carcinogenic chemical...Oh noes!!!! Nothing is wrong with that but not you in particular it just kills me about calling dudes lames simps etc... cause end of the day whether it be one chick or twenty its still being a simp or a trick and the person recieving it a garden tool. Lets not forget a person who uses money or things which have monetary value in exchange for companionship, happiness or sex is a trick. And i dont think op is saying buying diamonds are bad or wrong, he is just stating that ppl give something more value then what it is worth, and that ppl associate human life qualities to something that doesnt have those traits simply because they are sheep and for lack of better words following the herd. i agree to an extent and the evidence is in the rate in which divorce is steadly climbing etc. Ppl arent looking at the so called real values true virtues of love marriage etc in ppl, instead they overlook it because they blindly believe all these characteristics and traits come from a piece of jewelry.
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slickp42189		#128	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 387 01/03/12 11:05 PM	devildog1776 wrote: slickp42189 wrote: devildog1776 wrote: deBeers hoards vaults of diamonds worldwide to keep prices high. diamonds are rare nor that dope. i have more gold in my jewelry box than diamonds. the prices are so marked up that the regular dealers see 100 to 200 percent profit on every diamond sold... go down to the diamond district and the starting price on something dope could be 7 Gs if you had cash you could drop 3 on the counter and itll be yours if it mostly diamonds that the piece is valued off off wait, are you saying you can buy something with a 7k price tag for only 3k? or are you talking about 3k down for financing? if you mean the first one thats a huge price drop im saying if you buy a tennis bracelet with 10k white gold , the majority of the price will reflect off of what the dealer is selling the diamonds for being that precious metals have an actual value where as diamonds have value between the buyer and seller... the bracelet cost roughly 2Gs with about 1/4 of the price in the actual gold and the diamonds make up the rest of the price... you'll always beat them down because once your the buyer with cash you have control of the situation while the jeweler is trying to at least break even on this piece that been sitting there for 1.5 yrs... do this : go to the district price a gold chain and price a tennis necklace.... look like you have cash, im not sure how your going to portray but i can... talk the talk , walk the walk, convo goes like this : Dealer : a my man i got a good price for you You/ME : lets se what you talking about D: these diamond earrings are blah blah blah, 2600 dollars You/me : this looks great i got cash and willing to spend if the price is right,, dealer: ok i give you 2200 you/me : smirk Dealer : you no like price?? You/me : nope, Dealer: how much you wanna spend? You/me : not sure but 22 is still knda high, lemme see something else Dealer: why you no like? You/me : yeah im just looking around... dealer ; ok ok , 2000 You/me : i got 1575 cash right now drops cash on table... Dealer looks at cash..... "gimme 1600 and its yours"... pulls out 25 bucks and walks out with a 1000 dollar discount on some earrings that were marked up 200 percent to begin with... I learned from my moms growing up watching her buy jewels o, i understand now
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kickstart		#129	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 521 01/03/12 11:16 PM	You need massive amounts of heat though for the diamond to even start to waiver. LMFAO @ a little help from a torch--like it's just that easy to melt them.
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kbweezy24		#130	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 889 01/03/12 11:23 PM	my brain hurts from reading all this but im glad NT can produce debates like this. chief chief
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G o D Jewels		#131	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 277 01/03/12 11:26 PM	Thank you for this OP. I've been trying to tell people, but the brainwashing by DeBeers has been pretty effective. People have slowly been coming around. Manmade is the way to go. G.O. IN THIS THANG. www.godjewels.com
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Mr S J King		#132	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 811 01/03/12 11:47 PM	Bottom line is I'm probably not going to Africa anytime soon to dig my own diamonds. So whoever has the best price for the best quality gets my business. The information on how the industry was developed is valuable insight into major marketing strategies. Nothing more nothing less. It's a little too late to prove diamonds aren't the best fashion mineral out there. Diamonds have stood the test of time, so maybe they do live up to the hype. *LeBron 9 BLACK&YELLOWS FOR SALE* *SZ 10.5 & SZ 13* Last Edited By: Mr S J King 01/03/12 11:49 PM. Edited 1 time.
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superblyTRIFE		#133	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 12595 01/04/12 12:04 AM	superblyTRIFE wrote: Why do some NTers think that this dude is dropping knowledge? Anyone could sit and ponder life and come to the conclusion that nothing matters and that we're just "skin bags". So...would you like to offer another perspective or would you just like to make fun of the conclusion reached? Making fun of your perspective? Where did I do that? All I did was state that if anyone sat around long enough, they could probably reach the conclusion that "nothing matters". You know when I came to that conclusion (which was just a passing phase, btw)? When I was a 17-year old freshman in college that smoked a gang of weed. That isn't making fun of your stance at all--just noting that it isn't profound as several NTers responses have indicated. Of course you can't control what others find enlightening, but I guess I was just addressing them more than I was getting at you. Are you something more than a collection of synchronous cells floating on a rock around one of many stars? Indeed. I'm a father to an 8-month old daughter that adores me (and I her), and that isn't made up. Life is more than just science, my dude. If that is truly how you look at your life on this planet, I hate it for you man. Maybe that will change with time though. Some of you dudes are easily impressed or you just haven't gotten to that point in life where you begin to question society and the constraints that it brings. I'm at fault for that? Not at all. Again, I was just addressing them. There is nothing profound about this diamond topic or any other thing (religion) that sillyputty decides to post about. Is it interesting? A good read? Thought provoking? Without a doubt. I'm glad you like it. I'm all for thought provoking conversation and welcome it. Getting in a comfort zone is one of the worst things that we can do IMO, regardless of what side you take on various issues. Now how you approach these conversations is a different matter that Meth more than eloquently addressed. But that's about all it is--there are no unquestionable truths revealed here or in any other thread created by this dude. Opinions--that's all it is. Diamond = Carbon rock Is that an opinion? I mean honestly, I'm not trying to uncover something profound here...just offering another perspective on "diamonds" I was going a little deeper than the surface conversation about diamonds. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that most of your topics eventually end up back at religion vs. science. C'mon Dame....you've been doing this for years now....we know you by now. Again, Meth addressed this much better than I can. But to put it simply, your truths aren't concrete. Just as mine aren't. My belief (or opinion) is just that--mine. Same with yours. So at the end of the day, after all the memes, gifs, diagrams, youtube videos, quoted articles and walls of text.....you've basically just expressed your opinion, even though you approach those who disagree as though you've just presented them with undeniable, unequivocal, enlightened, concrete fact. And I can say that b/c I've read countless rants by you over the years and that is how it appears (even though that may not be your intent). S O L D I E R O F L O V E
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ThunderChunk69		#134	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 24558 01/04/12 12:32 AM	just because you hate the messenger... YOUTUBE / VINTAGEFITS / EBAY (NEW AUCTIONS!)
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HankMoody		#135	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 4713 01/04/12 12:33 AM	DAYTONA 5000 wrote: HankMoody wrote: ninjahood wrote: well moissanite stones (silicone carbide) are 9.25 on da moh scale and shine 2x as bright as a diamond and fract more color at a 10th of a price....now what? Did I say they are the greatest thing ever? No. So something's better. Now what? A diamond is trash. That's what. You really got me! Good job. why so defensive? Sorry if I did but I haven't ever even bought a diamond in my life yet so telling me about scales and fract is moot because I never said diamonds are the end all, be all of gems. I honestly don't know much about jewelry. The question posed to me was if I could find value in a diamond. I said yes because it looks nice, especially when light hits it. That's all. I already stated that prices would sway my opinion but at the incredibly superficial level, diamonds do hold some value to me due to their appearance. That's all I was saying. I'm not advocating for diamonds. I'm not justifying De Beers exploitative marketing and production. I'm not even partial to jewelry aside from watches and on them, ostentatious gems is not my cup of tea. I was just talking about the superficial value of a diamond. That's all. So bringing up the mos scale is ridiculous to me. I don't care. That doesn't mean a diamond is utter trash. It still holds some value for me because it's appearance. My posts weren't even about diamonds. They concerned this whole "everything means nothing" blabber. This line Meth wrote sums it up: You want to be an empiricist, but you don't want to accept the weaknesses that come with that. You want to be a nihilist, but you also want to believe in something. Yet everyone else is inconsistent. Thanks for the taking the time to write that out Meth. There just doesn't seem to be anything left to say. There’s no easy way to say this so I’ll just say it, I met someone. It was an accident, I wasn’t looking for it, it wasn’t on the make, it was a perfect storm. She said one thing, I said another, next thing I knew, I wanted to spend the rest of my life in the middle of that conversation. Now there’s this feeling in my gut she might be the one. She’s completely nuts in a way that makes me smile, highly neurotic with a great deal of maintenance required. She is you, ____. That's good news. Quaecumque sunt vera Niketalk Goodreads Group Last Edited By: HankMoody 01/04/12 12:46 AM. Edited 1 time.
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Forgot About Jae		#136	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 2765 01/04/12 1:05 AM	[Don't quote a gigantic post just to say "co-sign." If you're sincere, you can just reference the person or an excerpt of the reply. If you're trolling.. well, you don't want to be trolling.] Last Edited By: Method Man 01/04/12 1:22 AM. Edited 1 time.
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0cks		#137	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 6599 01/04/12 1:28 AM	slickp42189 wrote: 0cks wrote: slickp42189 wrote: not tryin to send shots but you might want to get another girl if your bank account gives your girl a smile, and by the emphasis you put on emotions im assuming it makes her very happy, or if you make her smile by using the numbers in your bank account (buying her stuff) but i feel both sides Did I say it's the only thing that makes her smile? Which girl wouldn't smile if you bought her jewelry with diamonds? I may be wrong but I thought the issue in this thread was the overvaluation of Diamonds... I'm sayin money isn't real either it's just a means of taking care of our needs and helping us achieve/feel emotions we normally would/could not (live music, vacations, luxury goods etc.) Right or wrong that's just capitalism not at all, but you put hella emphasis on it, maybe you were tryin to flex with your bank acct, idk, think of any rich girl who has had diamonds their whole life, they wouldnt smile i wasnt tryin to go at you, ill admit tho you were comin off as a sugar daddy and even though shes yours i cant relate, but you are so right and wrong at the same time, you put value into whatever, you cant tell me if someone dropped a billion dollars in your lap you would be happier than a family who finally had their first child after trying to reproduce for years, your mindset fuels capitalism and even though we all live and abide by the rules not everyone gets the same kicks out of money and what it buys Well what I'm tryin to say is that in western culture, diamonds are held in very high esteem with females, I've been around plenty of rich girls that have diamonds and nothing gets them more hype than... more diamonds. (DeBeers taught you well) And really ain't no one puttin hella emphasis on anything, this is not a discussion about relationships/love it's about diamonds, so that's what's getting addressed. I'm just not against buying chicks diamonds... doesn't mean it's an everyday thing for any heffer. I do feel this thread was motivated by the unwillingness/unwanted burden of purchasing engagement rings for women Rocks are not a basis for a relationship just another form of expression amongst many... where you got the impression that I get "kicks out of money and what it buys" I have absolutely no idea, especially when I said I don't believe money is real and is just numbers in my bank account... of course the best things in life are free TEAM NTWikia \| HoustonRockets \| TEAM XBOX360 \| TEAMLPS3 \|TEAMCOWBOYS .::RockCoKaneBlow::.
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LDJ		#138	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 2517 01/04/12 1:51 AM	0cks wrote: slickp42189 wrote: 0cks wrote: Did I say it's the only thing that makes her smile? Which girl wouldn't smile if you bought her jewelry with diamonds? I may be wrong but I thought the issue in this thread was the overvaluation of Diamonds... I'm sayin money isn't real either it's just a means of taking care of our needs and helping us achieve/feel emotions we normally would/could not (live music, vacations, luxury goods etc.) Right or wrong that's just capitalism not at all, but you put hella emphasis on it, maybe you were tryin to flex with your bank acct, idk, think of any rich girl who has had diamonds their whole life, they wouldnt smile i wasnt tryin to go at you, ill admit tho you were comin off as a sugar daddy and even though shes yours i cant relate, but you are so right and wrong at the same time, you put value into whatever, you cant tell me if someone dropped a billion dollars in your lap you would be happier than a family who finally had their first child after trying to reproduce for years, your mindset fuels capitalism and even though we all live and abide by the rules not everyone gets the same kicks out of money and what it buys Well what I'm tryin to say is that in western culture, diamonds are held in very high esteem with females, I've been around plenty of rich girls that have diamonds and nothing gets them more hype than... more diamonds. (DeBeers taught you well) And really ain't no one puttin hella emphasis on anything, this is not a discussion about relationships/love it's about diamonds, so that's what's getting addressed. I'm just not against buying chicks diamonds... doesn't mean it's an everyday thing for any heffer. I do feel this thread was motivated by the unwillingness/unwanted burden of purchasing engagement rings for women *Rocks are not a basis for a relationship just another form of expression amongst many...* where you got the impression that I get "kicks out of money and what it buys" I have absolutely no idea, especially when I said I don't believe money is real and is just numbers in my bank account... of course the best things in life are free I cant prove this, but in all honestly i believe a vast majority of folks in here or in general had they told there girls/wives that im not buying a rock etc... but what i will do is be there for you etc love you unconditionally etc... Majority of the ppl in here and in general would not be in a relationship and the women wouldnt continue to be in a relationship with them and it would solely be based on the fact they didnt get married in the traditional sense of buying a rock. I mean ppl could try this theory and or be upfront and say this, but im almost certain most guys no the answer and are afraid that this so called she really loves me regardless, unconditionally, etc... it wouldnt matter cause she loves me for me bs would fly right out of the window.
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FlipnKraut		#139	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 440 01/04/12 1:54 AM	I don't understand why this is even a debate. And I refuse to read any of the walls of text past whatever I glance at as I'm scrolling down. Yes the only reason diamonds are expensive is because people buy them. The consumers are the ones placing the price on the diamonds. If consumers do not buy, sellers wont make money. This, my friends, is how the economy works. It's how its worked since the first person traded something for something else. Any natural resource that is repackaged and resold is idiotic, but thats how our system works. Take bottled water for example. It's bottled, freaking, water. It falls from the sky. You're paying a company to take something that is free for any human being on the planet, since you know, it falls from the sky, to put it in a bottle so that you can drink the water, then throw away the bottle. You just created trash for no damn reason. But.... people will buy it, so people will sell it.
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maicolkickhead		#140	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 600 01/04/12 1:56 AM	posting for later "And if you come to my City you might see what i mean........is the City that never sleeps but is the City of Dreams"
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