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RufioRufioRufio wrote:lot of Coornballs in here right now. and who are these extra names with other site affiliations coming into NT?
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01/30/12 5:22 AM
tkthafm wrote:Again, you claiming them to not be true/convincing etc means nothing. Plenty of others, including experts in their respective feels felt otherwise, many strongly enough to convert (already mentioned some). You aren't convinced. That's fine. There will always be non-believers, but this has no bearing on the legitimacy of the evidence provided.�I can't provide a better "single evidence" than the Qur'an itself. It's a incomparable miracle on many different levels. Spare me the irrelevant pictures or oversimplifications of "you cant use the book saying its from God as evidence it's from God" .... because that's not what I'm doing. I'm looking at the content (linguistic/scientific/historical etc etc) and then making my conclusion. If a book is from God it must be perfect in every way correct ? I did my research and found this to be true for the Qur'an. There's still an element of faith, but no other religion on Earth can put forth as strong of a case, to the point where it actually becomes illogical to believe it's NOT divine. Just look at your inability to provide me with any reasonable alternative origin for the Qur'an. All of the ancient civilizations you mentioned never produced anything anywhere near the Qur'an alone. How could humans have possible came up with it ?� If you watch this entire lecture with an open mind I don't see how you can still claim otherwise, unless you are�purposefully�refusing to admit you are wrong.
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01/30/12 7:28 AM
NobleKane wrote:NjCollector wrote:Sillyputty:longstroke Amirite?I thought so at first. they both like to belittle who they speak to but silly putty is not as bad. silly putty actually makes good points but longstroke just makes stuff up. also silly putty doesnt threaten you via pm
NjCollector wrote:Sillyputty:longstroke Amirite?
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01/30/12 9:55 AM
Beware The Underdog wrote:MyJaysGetRocked wrote:AntonLaVey wrote: Really? You expect people take your opinion seriously, and this is what you post?�Do everyone on this board a favor and stick to talking about trench coats.�Wait this is the dude with the trench coat? Are you kidding me right now?I would hate GOD too if I rock one of those.
MyJaysGetRocked wrote:AntonLaVey wrote: Really? You expect people take your opinion seriously, and this is what you post?�Do everyone on this board a favor and stick to talking about trench coats.�
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nyczill3st wrote:"Human being to the mobWhat’s a mob to a king?What’s a king to a god?What’s a god to a non-believer?Who don’t believe in anything?"There's no point arguing with non believers, in fact in the Quran it actually states not to waste your time by doing so because it is futile...
RKO2004 wrote:sillyputty wrote:You want him. You find him. I've heard the anti God rants and watched the videos. Open up.
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tkthafm wrote:How is this guy still asking for examples, yet claiming to have looked at what I posted ?
Refute the first video I posted under scientific miracles... (err, confirmation bias)
Spiderman comics (or any other book for that matter) contain the same linguistic/scientific/historical/societal impact miracles as the Qur'an ? Nah. Nothing parallels the Qur'an. Prove otherwise.
"Yeah, this book somehow contains all this previously unknown information without a single contradiction/mistake and I can't explain how it came to be... it just... happened... it can't be God... it just happened"
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01/30/12 3:42 PM
Why Atheism Will Replace ReligionWhy atheism grows faster than religionPublished on May 18, 2010 by Nigel Barber, Ph.D. in The Human BeastAtheists are heavily concentrated in economically developed countries, particularly the social democracies of Europe. In underdeveloped countries, there are virtually no atheists. Atheism is thus a peculiarly modern phenomenon. Why do modern conditions produce atheism?First, as to the distribution of atheism in the world, a clear pattern can be discerned. In sub-Saharan Africa there is almost no atheism (Zuckerman, 2007). Belief in God declines in more developed countries and is concentrated in Europe in countries such as Sweden (64% nonbelievers), Denmark (48%), France (44%) and Germany (42%). In contrast, the incidence of atheism in most sub-Saharan countries is below 1%.The question of why economically developed countries turn to atheism has been batted around by anthropologists for about eighty years. Anthropologist James Fraser proposed that scientific prediction and control of nature supplants religion as a means of controlling uncertainty in our lives. This hunch is supported by data showing that the more educated countries have higher levels of non belief and there are strong correlations between atheism and intelligence (see my earlier post on this). Atheists are more likely to be college-educated people who live in cities and they are highly concentrated in the social democracies of Europe. Atheism thus blossoms amid affluence where most people feel economically secure. But why?It seems that people turn to religion as a salve for the difficulties and uncertainties of their lives. In social democracies, there is less fear and uncertainty about the future because social welfare programs provide a safety net and better health care means that fewer people can expect to die young. People who are less vulnerable to the hostile forces of nature feel more in control of their lives and less in need of religion.In addition to being the opium of the people (as Karl Marx contemptuously phrased it), religion may also promote fertility, particularly by promoting marriage, according to copious data reviewed by Sanderson (2008). Large families are preferred in agricultural countries as a source of free labor. In developed "atheist" countries, women have exceptionally small families and do not need religion helping them to raise large families.Even the psychological functions of religion face stiff competition today. In modern societies, when people experience psychological difficulties they turn to their doctor, psychologist, or psychiatrist. They want a scientific fix and prefer the real psychotropic medicines dished out by physicians to the metaphorical opiates offered by religion.Moreover, sport psychologists find that sports spectatorship provides much the same kind of social, and spiritual, benefits as people obtain from church membership. In a previous post, I made the case that sports is replacing religion. Precisely the same argument can be made for other forms of entertainment with which spectators become deeply involved. Indeed, religion is striking back by trying to compete in popular media, such as televangelism and Christian rock and by hosting live secular entertainment in church.The reasons that churches lose ground in developed countries can be summarized in market terms. First, with better science, and with government safety nets, and smaller families, there is less fear and uncertainty in people's daily lives and hence less of a market for religion. At the same time many alternative products are being offered, such as psychotropic medicines and electronic entertainment that have fewer strings attached and that do not require slavish conformity to unscientific beliefs. ReferencesSanderson, S. K. (2008). Adaptation, evolution, and religion. Religion, 38, 141-156.Zuckerman, P. (2007). Atheism: Contemporary numbers and patterns. In M. Martin (ed.), The Cambridge companion to atheism. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. This book is not held by any U.S. Library.
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TEAM METALHEADS TEAM NIGERIA"This God that I worship, this demon I blame. Conspiring as one, it's exactly the same, it's exactly the same."
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01/30/12 10:12 PM
shoefreakbaby wrote:There would be no way for him to give an answer to you and still display meekness and respect so why even do it, it would be done in total vain
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sillyputty wrote:shoefreakbaby wrote:There would be no way for him to give an answer to you and still display meekness and respect so why even do it, it would be done in total vain So you'd rather avoid answering a rather simple question because of a prediction of how I'd reply? Don't say I'm baiting you, if you won't even be honest about why you refuse to answer the question. You're better off just not replying all rather than justifying your evasion.Nice evasion tactic though. I must commend you. I hadn't covered that possibility.Too bad the emotional claims and personal bias do not avoid the literal premise issued by the question.If only emotions had some basis in the validity of statements...If you avoid the question can I just infer that I already know what you would say as an answer to the question? ...or is that unfair to you? See how that works?The question stands:Serious question: If the quran or bible said to kill all infidels, no ifs, ands or buts, would any of you do it?
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01/31/12 1:32 AM
tkthafm wrote:How is this guy still asking for examples, yet claiming to have looked at what I posted ? Refute the first video I posted under scientific miracles... (err, confirmation bias) Spiderman comics (or any other book for that matter) contain the same linguistic/scientific/historical/societal impact miracles as the Qur'an ? Nah. Nothing parallels the Qur'an. Prove otherwise. "Yeah, this book somehow contains all this previously unknown information without a single contradiction/mistake and I can't explain how it came to be... it just... happened... it can't be God... it just happened"
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01/31/12 8:05 PM
Jay02 wrote:I have a question for the Christians. What do you guys think about my logic on this. I do not believe in God, but lets say he ends up being real and somehow out of all the Gods that were made up out there Jesus was the one who was real. And all his teachings and morals and such were real. I consider myself a good person. I was raised by very good parents who tried to make Christianity apart me and my life. I simply just stopped believing in religion around my Freshman year in High School even though I went to a Catholic school for 7 years of my life. I can say I have pretty good morals. I hate stealing, could never kill anyone, dont pick fights with others for no reason, I was nice to those who were bullied in High School because I was someone who had alot of friends and simply wanted to make their day better, not have them wake up every morning dreading what the day will bring. I'm a polite person, I like saying please and thank you. I do stuff for others even though I deep down dont want to ect ect ect...Simply put I have common sense and good morals. We know that Jesus is omniscient, he knows all, can see all etc. That means he knows I AM a good person. I just simply dont believe in God. Do I go to hell? If so do I go eternally, or for just a certain period of time? I really wanna know a Christains view on this. This is what I firmly believe. The only thing that matters in life is that you are simply a good person. Whether I went to church and prayed every night why should it matter. I did want Jesus taught or would have wanted anyway. Why would he send a good person to hell? If someone killed someone or steals constantly, but goes to confession every week is he entitled to heaven more than I am? More than someone who has never stolen anything, never killed anyone...someone who just simply didnt go to confession?I dont believe in God, but if hes real I dont see how I dont go to Heaven. If I dont then thats just totally a dick move on Gods part
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01/31/12 8:57 PM
sillyputty wrote:Jay02 wrote:I have a question for the Christians. What do you guys think about my logic on this. I do not believe in God, but lets say he ends up being real and somehow out of all the Gods that were made up out there Jesus was the one who was real. And all his teachings and morals and such were real. I consider myself a good person. I was raised by very good parents who tried to make Christianity apart me and my life. I simply just stopped believing in religion around my Freshman year in High School even though I went to a Catholic school for 7 years of my life. I can say I have pretty good morals. I hate stealing, could never kill anyone, dont pick fights with others for no reason, I was nice to those who were bullied in High School because I was someone who had alot of friends and simply wanted to make their day better, not have them wake up every morning dreading what the day will bring. I'm a polite person, I like saying please and thank you. I do stuff for others even though I deep down dont want to ect ect ect...Simply put I have common sense and good morals. We know that Jesus is omniscient, he knows all, can see all etc. That means he knows I AM a good person. I just simply dont believe in God. Do I go to hell? If so do I go eternally, or for just a certain period of time? I really wanna know a Christains view on this. This is what I firmly believe. The only thing that matters in life is that you are simply a good person. Whether I went to church and prayed every night why should it matter. I did want Jesus taught or would have wanted anyway. Why would he send a good person to hell? If someone killed someone or steals constantly, but goes to confession every week is he entitled to heaven more than I am? More than someone who has never stolen anything, never killed anyone...someone who just simply didnt go to confession?I dont believe in God, but if hes real I dont see how I dont go to Heaven. If I dont then thats just totally a dick move on Gods part I keep posing the question "if god asked you to kill" would you do it in the hopes that someone will answer And no one does.The problem is that when they admit that they would have to contradict the teachings of their "infallible" word, then obviously can think WITHOUT the guidance of the book. They have their own sense of moral qualifications that certainly exist outside of the book but none of them are willing to go against what they know to be inherently true. Its cognitive dissonance at its finest.They're all cafeteria christians or muslims or whatever religion you choose to insert into the argument. They pick and choose what applies to them but they want to have the autonomy to act like whatever they uphold is still valid.Its not.This is exactly why moderately religious people are WORSE than fundamentalists. You know what you're going to get with fundamentalists. They adhere to the strictest forms of their religions. They will do EXACTLY what the book says and unwaveringly so. I can respect that MORE than what religious people in the developed world do...they violate even the simplest laws in their religion but still want to be free to think that the rest of whatever they believe is valid. Its just not true and they can't have it both ways. Its illogical at that point. They'd be better off just admitting that they make it up as they go along since they all pray to the god in their heads. Religious moderates allow fundamentalists to continue spewing their nonsense because they don't distance themselves ENOUGH from the crazy ones. Because even though they might like gay people or want womens rights, they're STILL apart of that religion so they're fundamentally in cahoots with the crazy ones. So yes, Hitler is in heaven since he was a christian and Ghandi is in hell because he believed in the wrong god.
So yes, Hitler is in heaven since he was a christian and Ghandi is in hell because he believed in the wrong god.
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01/31/12 9:40 PM
Jay02 wrote:On one last note just wanna say something that I always laugh about. Had a muslim friend who was hardly muslim, half palestinian half white. Dude always got on me for being an atheist. Talking, talking, talking, im soo doomed blah blah. I go to school and we're at lunch and I notice hes not partaking in Rahmadan like the rest of the muslims. He says because he chooses not to...he says he wont have sex until he's married. By junior year hes bragging about smashing his girlfriend. He's says he will never drink alcohol. By this time ive lost complete touch with him but I notice pictures of him on facebook drinking. Funny how it all works. I was the doomed one.
When it comes down to it, if any of the religions created on this Earth are in fact real, you might as well not waste your time because no matter how much effort you can possibly put into it. YOU"RE STILL %*@*%%.
Truthfully if there's a god I think he's selfish. I have 100 years living on this Earth before im gone if im really lucky. Some people have 2 seconds. I didnt exist for an eternity before I was born, I wont exist for an eternity after I die. For the very very very very short, time I have here. I mean in the grand scheme of things i pretty much have no time here. And this dude God wants me to spend my whole time living kneeling at a damn pew while the Packers are playing?? Screw you, I might as well never have been born if your gonna just tease me.
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