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DrKingSchultz said:
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The question was rhetorical the answer was horrible.
But I suppose if your happy to keep buying it, they will keep selling it to you, that's for sure. Everyone's a winner.

Karats gold percentage Other Metal percentage
24kt gold 100.00% other metal 0.000%
22kt gold 91.60% other metal 8.4%
18kt gold 75.00% other metal 25%
14kt gold 58.5% other metal 41.500%
10kt gold 41.7% other metal 58.300%
6kt gold 25% other metal 75%

Or Wiki

58.33% - 62.50% = 14k (acclaimed 58.33%)
75.00% - 79.16% = 18k (acclaimed 75.00%)
91.66% - 95.83% = 22k (acclaimed 91.66%)
95.83% - 99.95% = 23k (acclaimed 95.83%)
99.95 and above = 24k (acclaimed 99.99%)

Not sure why this was not grasped in my previous post but, my point was and still stands, if the gold you have purchased has more non precious other metal alloys within it than the actual gold content within it, why bother at all. Are you really wearing gold? Advertising/marketing/selling this stuff is :x but hey people trying to make a living right, if the people want to buy it, they will sell it. That's simple Supply and demand.

But we as the consumers, purchasing it, Should demand a higher quality especially with something like gold otherwise it just defeats the purpose really, legal or not, labeled (hallmarked) or not. Below 14 carat has no reason to exist in my opinion.

It is something giving the illusion of being something it is not.

This is gold we are talking about, why cheapen it like that, yeah ok add a little metal alloy to strengthen and add durability etc sure, but to dilute it to the point where the level of gold content is less than the alloy used to stretch it out like, no thank you. Give me the real deal please, unadulterated. Within reason, or nothing at all.

At the end of the day..
it's the orange juice concentrate argument all over again. If you enjoy it, and your happy with it then I say live and let live. Do you :smile:
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So u Really just did this research and made this whole post about why 10k gold is inferior and not good enough for your and that other people wearing 10k are less then you and then say at the end "live and let live. Do you." Isn't that a major contradiction or am I just confused? You seem to be confused yourself as to wether or not you deem it "acceptable" for people to wear 10k. By your logic, shouldn't you be buying 24k? Or is it ok if it happens to be over 50% gold? As an elitist, shouldn't you only settle for 100%? who cares honestly? Also, the whole investment thing is pointless bc if 10k if 17% less valuable it is usually about 17% less expensive, so it works out to be the same return anyway.
 
Ordered a couple JP with if&co today, they were nice enough to shoot me something a bit better than their holiday sale.
 
Bertdinner2 said:
So u Really just did this research and made this whole post about why 10k gold is inferior and not good enough for your and that other people wearing 10k are less then you and then say at the end "live and let live. Do you." Isn't that a major contradiction or am I just confused? You seem to be confused yourself as to wether or not you deem it "acceptable" for people to wear 10k. By your logic, shouldn't you be buying 24k? Or is it ok if it happens to be over 50% gold? As an elitist, shouldn't you only settle for 100%? who cares honestly? Also, the whole investment thing is pointless bc if 10k if 17% less valuable it is usually about 17% less expensive, so it works out to be the same return anyway.
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Ok. I'll bite.. Only to put you straight, on everything you was wrong about.

This "knowledge" I already knew, no research was needed on my part, you see as I have been purchasing jewelery for a number of years now, I always do my homework before I spend my money, I like to know what I am talking about and what I am doing before I negotiate a deal, put my hand in my pocket and spend my money.
This is a good general rule of thumb for conducting business.
I merely copied and pasted the statistics to drive my point forward and to inform the un informed.

Not good enough, for "your" ? You mean myself, no I would not say that. I would say if I'm going to market to buy gold, I shall buy gold, not non precious metal alloys.
I speak for myself and myself only, no one else. What you do is your business, sir.

Live and let live, yes. This is exactly what I meant.
Another man wearing alloy jewelery doesn't affect my life, if you are happy to do so, do you.

Are you confused? Your asking me, are you confused? indeed I think so.
I seem confused? How so? No, sir. I am rarely confused.

I tend think a lot more than I speak, your negative assumptions and opinions mean nothing to me, they are complely invalid, it doesn't effect my life, I do not care about you.

Another man is worth less than myself? Because of what he owns? Or how much he has? Where did I say this? Please quote me where I wrote these words. :smh:

True wealth comes from within, your true wealth is who you are as a person, your morals, principals, loyalties and integrity, vision, your strength of character etc. This can neither be bought nor sold, I do not measure a man by his material objects. I judge a man on who he is, how he conducts himself and how he treats me, not by how much gold he has.

What do I deem acceptable for another man to wear in my presence? Is this your question? hmm.. I don't deem anything acceptable nor unacceptable :lol: It's none of my business if people want to wear 10 carat gold, this is fine, what right do I have to say what's acceptable for another man to wear? No right, and I don't believe I do, nor do I care.

Did you even read my post fully before you structured yours?
From reading your response, I will make an assumption as did you and say no, so let me clarify for you, again..

Shouldn't I only settle for 24 carat gold? Yes, if I buy a kilo of gold, it has to be pure, 24 carat gold bullion. Jewelery now this is a completely different matter all together, there are other factors you have to consider 24 carat gold for jewelery purposes, this would be a juvenile error, you see 24 carat gold is too soft, it is very vulnerable to wear and damage from daily use.

Adding other non precious metal alloys to strengthen/harden the gold is essential overall adding to the durability of the gold, this makes sense. A whole lot of sense, this was never my argument, In my post I stated "unadulterated within reason" that must of gone over your head, also Alloys must also be added to change the golds hue and color, like my watch for example in 18 carat rose gold this is done by adding copper to the mix, I have no problem with this, this I support.

An elaboration on this..

Although the names are often used interchangeably, the difference between red, rose, and pink gold is the copper content: the higher the copper content, the stronger the red coloration. Pink gold uses the least copper, followed by rose gold, with red gold having the highest copper content. Examples of the common alloys for 18K rose gold, 18K red gold, and 18K pink gold:

18K Red gold: 75% gold, 25% copper

18K Rose gold: 75% gold, 22.25% copper, 2.75% silver

18K Pink gold: 75% gold, 20% copper, 5% silver

12K Red gold: 50% gold and 50% copper.[2]

Up to 15% zinc can be added to copper-rich alloys to change their color to reddish yellow or dark yellow.

My problem is when you get manufacturers and jewelers that mix and stretch the gold to the point where there is so little gold content in the actual "gold" it's just alloy adulterants and a little bit of gold for color. It's a scam still calling it gold. Legal or not. Something is wrong. This is only done for greed and profits, ultimately creating a product that at its heart/core is not really what it pretends to be.

The majority of consumers are spending their hard earned $$$ on this imitation in ignorance of what they are actually getting, value for their money, they are being took. Anybody that is informed of what 9 carat and lower carats actually consist of, knowing what it actually contains in gold content versus non precious metal alloy and still decides to purchases it, is beyond me. That being said if people are informed of this and they are still happy to buy into it, great, good for them, i suppose, again I dont care.

You get what you pay for, and everybody is out to make a profit.

A metaphor to help you grasp it so we don't end up going over old ground, if I sold you breakfast, advertised to you, as your favourite bowl of crunchy cereal with milk, and you decide to purchase it, when you recieve your order..

You recieve, A bowl full of that cheap skimmed milk, with maybe 4-5 morsels of cereal floating around in the milk, served with a dirty spoon.

What have you got there?

A nice big bowl of your favourite, yummy, fresh and crunchy cereal with full fat milk or have you got a bowl of watery skimmed milk with a few morsels of soggy cereal floating in the mix?

It's not what it's meant to be, it is not what it's pretending to be. It's not real and I don't Buy into it.

This is my point.

Who said about investments? Not me, If you are purchasing jewelry to invest your money into, you have got a lot of learning to do, that's just plain bad business, You already missed the gold boom. It peaked, it crashed. No one is making money off of buying into jewelery, it is not even a good storage of wealth anymore. it lost 40% of its value over the last year alone. it's merely a luxury commodity, something you choose to indulge in with disposable income.

Elitist? :lol: Ok Bert. Your points are invalid and your reaching. |I

Now, with that taken care of, May I be so bold as to pose a question or two back in your direction, sir.

Would you like some GOLD to go with those alloys your purchasing?

And

May I please have some tasty fries to go with that salt your serving?

I answered all your questions and I hope you are no longer confused, because I'm through wasting my time with you.

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DrKingSchultz said:
My problem is when you get manufacturers and jewelers that mix and stretch the gold to the point where there is so little gold content in the gold than other adulterants. It's a scam still calling it gold. Something is wrong. This is only done for greed and profits ultimately creating a product that is at its heart/core not really what it pretends to be.
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This would make sense if all karats were the same price but they're not. You get what you pay for. 
 
CAbased said:
This would make sense if all karats were the same price but they're not. You get what you pay for. 
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This is true, applies to everything in life, you caught me mid edit. Repped.

spicaly spicaly repped.

End of the day there is a demand so they fill this void, people got to eat, right. as I stated in my previous post. I don't agree with it though and I don't buy in to it, what ya'll spend your hard on dollars on is up to you, this is my opinions and my way of doing things, not everybody will agree with my way of thinking and I am fine with that. But don't try twist it.
 
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DrKingSchultz said:
Ok. I'll bite.. Only to put you straight, on everything you was wrong about.

This "knowledge" I already knew, no research was needed on my part, you see as I have been purchasing jewelery for a number of years now, I always do my homework before I spend my money, I like to know what I am talking about and what I am doing before I negotiate a deal, put my hand in my pocket and spend my money.
This is a good general rule of thumb for conducting business.
I merely copied and pasted the statistics to drive my point forward and to inform the un informed.

Not good enough, for "your" ? You mean myself, no I would not say that. I would say if I'm going to market to buy gold, I shall buy gold, not non precious metal alloys.
I speak for myself and myself only, no one else. What you do is your business, sir.

Live and let live, yes. This is exactly what I meant.
Another man wearing alloy jewelery doesn't affect my life, if you are happy to do so, do you.

Are you confused? Your asking me, are you confused? indeed I think so.
I seem confused? How so? No, sir. I am rarely confused.

I tend think a lot more than I speak, your negative assumptions and opinions mean nothing to me, they are complely invalid, it doesn't effect my life, I do not care about you.

Another man is worth less than myself? Because of what he owns? Or how much he has? Where did I say this? Please quote me where I wrote these words. :smh:

True wealth comes from within, your true wealth is who you are as a person, your morals, principals, loyalties and integrity, vision, your strength of character etc. This can neither be bought nor sold, I do not measure a man by his material objects. I judge a man on who he is, how he conducts himself and how he treats me, not by how much gold he has.

What do I deem acceptable for another man to wear in my presence? Is this your question? hmm.. I don't deem anything acceptable nor unacceptable :lol: It's none of my business if people want to wear 10 carat gold, this is fine, what right do I have to say what's acceptable for another man to wear? No right, and I don't believe I do, nor do I care.

Did you even read my post fully before you structured yours?
From reading your response, I will make an assumption as did you and say no, so let me clarify for you, again..

Shouldn't I only settle for 24 carat gold? Yes, if I buy a kilo of gold, it has to be pure, 24 carat gold bullion. Jewelery now this is a completely different matter all together, there are other factors you have to consider 24 carat gold for jewelery purposes, this would be a juvenile error, you see 24 carat gold is too soft, it is very vulnerable to wear and damage from daily use.

Adding other non precious metal alloys to strengthen/harden the gold is essential overall adding to the durability of the gold, this makes sense. A whole lot of sense, this was never my argument, In my post I stated "Unalduturated within reason" that must of gone over your head, also Alloys must also be added to change the golds hue and color, like my watch for example in 18 carat rose gold this is done by adding copper to the mix, I have no problem with this, this I support.

A elaboration on this..

Although the names are often used interchangeably, the difference between red, rose, and pink gold is the copper content: the higher the copper content, the stronger the red coloration. Pink gold uses the least copper, followed by rose gold, with red gold having the highest copper content. Examples of the common alloys for 18K rose gold, 18K red gold, and 18K pink gold:

18K Red gold: 75% gold, 25% copper

18K Rose gold: 75% gold, 22.25% copper, 2.75% silver

18K Pink gold: 75% gold, 20% copper, 5% silver

12K Red gold: 50% gold and 50% copper.[2]

Up to 15% zinc can be added to copper-rich alloys to change their color to reddish yellow or dark yellow.

My problem is when you get manufacturers and jewelers that mix and stretch the gold to the point where there is so little gold content in the actual "gold" it's just alloy adulterants and a little bit of gold for color. It's a scam still calling it gold. Legal or not. Something is wrong. This is only done for greed and profits, ultimately creating a product that at its heart/core is not really what it pretends to be.

The majority of consumers are spending their hard earned $$$ on this imitation in ignorance of what they are actually getting, value for their money, they are being took. Anybody that is informed of what 9 carat and lower carats actually consist of, knowing what it actually contains in gold content versus non precious metal alloy and still decides to purchases it, is beyond me. That being said if people are informed of this and they are still happy to buy into it, great, good for them, i suppose, again I dont care.

You get what you pay for, and everybody is out to make a profit.

A metaphor to help you grasp it so we don't end up going over old ground, if I sold you breakfast, advertised to you, as your favourite bowl of crunchy cereal with milk, and you decide to purchase it, when you recieve your order..

You recieve, A bowl full of that cheap skimmed milk, with maybe 4-5 morsels of cereal floating around in the milk, served with a dirty spoon.

What have you got there?

A nice big bowl of your favourite, yummy, fresh and crunchy cereal with full fat milk or have you got a bowl of watery skimmed milk with a few morsels of soggy cereal floating in the mix?

It's not what it's meant to be, it is not what it's pretending to be. It's not real and I don't Buy into it.

This is my point.

Who said about investments? Not me, If you are purchasing jewelry to invest your money into, you have got a lot of learning to do, that's just plain bad business, You already missed the gold boom. It peaked, it crashed. No one is making money off of buying into jewelery, it is not even a good storage of wealth anymore. it lost 40% of its value over the last year alone. it's merely a luxury commodity, something you choose to indulge in with disposable income.

Elitist? :lol: Ok Bert. Your points are invalid and your reaching. |I

Now, with that taken care of, May I be so bold as to pose a question or two back in your direction, sir.

Would you like some GOLD to go with those alloys your purchasing?

And

May I please have some tasty fries to go with that salt your serving?

I answered all your questions and I hope you are no longer confused, because I'm through wasting my time with you.

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i don't even own anything 10k I have one chain and its 14.,.but if I wanted something big and it was more then I wanted to spend I wouldn't mind getting 10k. I'm just saying ur doing an awful lot of worrying about what other people are doing and why they shouldn't be doing it, to be much of a "live and let live" type of person. Also, you did not have those numbers memorized. You even cited your source! Seriously though we can agree to disagree. The metaphor about the cereal...wouldn't this be completely different bc 10k gold is advertised as 10k gold. It's not like it's advertised to be something it's not.
 
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Your paraphrasing, to continue with you is a waste of my time. |I

Also you owe me tasty fries.
 
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mr jordan04 said:
What size? How many?
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Micro and Nano partially iced... the nano is for my lady. Will probably get a Baby sized "kufi" in a few months too. wanted the micro fo everyday wear. Gonna hit up Rey in the next few days. Anyone know if he makes 3-4mm cubans?
 
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