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MYTSHARP'S OLD SCHOOL VIDEO OF THE DAY VOL. I (18 AND UNDER NEED NOT APPLY)
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I wouldn't go that far.
I would say that there would be a lot of artists out, spitting similar %!+%.
But Joey would be near the top of that list, musically/lyrics wise.
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purplehazze96 wrote:
BIGBEN1986 wrote:
it was probably the last time we heard good hip hop. from the likes of
d.i.t.c, helta skelta, o.c , tribe, atifacts, , etc etc. forget it i can go on, but i have to give thanks to MYTSHARP for bringing back good memories.
thanks
bro. this video is so dope and the song is insane....... the beat..............timeless.
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p.s...............listening to this and rocking polo...........niiiiiiiice lol
I'm sorry but i absolutely have to bring this up...Are you guys just unaware of the amount of good hip hop thats out there? I'm not singling you two
out, because I've heard statements like yours hundreds of times and usually i just let it slide but i gotta ask this time...I feel like 90% of the dudes
who can appreciate music like this are oblivious to the good music that is currently being released. Is the only modern day hip hop you're aware of Kanye
and Wayne? There's so much great hip hop being made today that is just going unnoticed...just because it doesn't get radio play or air time on MTV
doesn't mean its not around...Yes corporate millionaires bastardized our art form. I couldn't tell you what the number one hip hop albums is this
year, or even T Pains latest single but im more than aware of the good releases that aren't mainstream. I just get the feeling like so many of you have
abandoned hip hop as a whole because of the commercial *%$+ thats shoved down your throats everyday, honestly it makes me sad
Yeah there is a lot of great Hip-Hop still being made and I tell people that all the time.
But you can't even compare the quality of music between that generation of Hip-Hop and today.
There were multiple classics being released in the same weeks. Throwaway lyricism that wipes the floor with the best s_ out today.
Loud Records dropping hits left and right. Kool G, Beatnuts, an army of Queens bridge MCs, whole clicks of THORO MCs, thriving West Coast and Southern
lyricism, real ecclectic rap that wasn't forced, Das EFX pushing limits, Jeru blending genres and styles, Geto Boys, Rap-a-Lot, Kast changin the game,
G-Funk, Pharcyde, DITC, Black Sheep, EPMD, Muddy Waters, Illmatic, Duck Down, XZIbit, Rass, Death Row, Ready To Die, Reasonable Doubt being overlooked because
so much other wild s_ was out....
New school cats like Blu and Buddens wouldn't even be close to standouts in 95 because every one was pumpin out heartfelt, competetion fueled greatness.
No matter what you say...it ain't the same. Hip-Hop fell off. A new heartbeat is starting to emerge but that s_ can be aborted or fade away at any moment.
I wont say i "own" records from every artist you mentioned because i dont own a physical copy that i paid for but i do have albums on my laptop from every single one of those artist with exception to Diggin In the Crates Crew and Blacksheep. I'm aware of what was being released then and the number of classic albums that were put out...However, i dont believe in comparing artist from different time frames like that, saying rapper "x" wouldn't have been as successful as rapper "y" is trivial and fruitless.
I do 100% agree with you that hip hop is not the same, but what do you guys expect. There isn't a SINGLE genre in music in which the sound remained the same over a time period of 20+ years. Mainstream hip-hop didn't fall off, it was assassinated. There are underground albums that have come out this decade equally as filled with talent and musical greatness as the guys you mentioned. I'm willing to bet that a good number of these albums the majority of you haven't even heard. Obviously said classic albums aren't as plentiful as they were in the early 90's but there are number of factors that play into that. A huge one being the death of the mainstream. As far as lyricism, i'd be willing to go track for track, album for album, comparing 90's albums against todays quality albums to see if the guys you mentioned really would "Sweep the floor" with todays best because imo that's just false.
Hip-Hop as a whole certainly fell off, but to blatantly say it died, or that even the best today don't make music enriched with the same quality as its predecessors is bogus.
Out of curiosity I'd love to see your top ten albums of 2008, just to see what your listening too...If you've heard what imo truly is the best stuff being put out today and you passed your judgement then fair enough, your comments are warranted, but i know from experience through conversations similar to this in the past that 9/10 people despite what they may claim really aren't in touch with the underground at all.
agreed but some of us love RAP more than HIP HOP.
and you also have to realize that that track had push from its label, it was on the radio, had a video, was on tv.
today our pop rappers are buying beats(sometimes hooks too) and trying their best to not ruin them (Jeezy)
I'm not talking about our pop rappers. I'm not talking Jeezy, Kanye, TIP, etc
this is what makes me question what current stuff have you guys listened to.
- CHUUCH! preach brotha....
- purplehazze96 you've seen my threads and we've traded pm's so you we already know the deal. i was going to respond to abeautifulhaze'scomment of: "how can't even compare the quality of music between that generation of Hip-Hop and today." but you already addressed so well.
- however, i can say that i own the majority of the artists named from back then...hell, i was in HS then and STILL have the hard copies to most of thoseCD's and i for one can confirm that todays underground is right in tune with that era. cats is just sleeping to hard to notice.
Out of curiosity I'd love to see your top ten albums of 2008, just to see what your listening too...If you've heard what imo truly is the best stuff being put out today and you passed your judgement then fair enough, your comments are warranted, but i know from experience through conversations similar to this in the past that 9/10 people despite what they may claim really aren't in touch with the underground at all.
- i too would love to see this as well.
- i have a slew of old freinds and relatives with the same complaints about hiphop, i made a blog (just for them) and uploaded alot of the best undergroundstuff from the past 3 years i could find...........its been months and very few of them cats have even bothered to visit the blog (the most traffic i get isfrom people doing searches for those artists), and the few that have downloaded the music have yet to even listen to it.
- i just dont get how you can sincerly complain about the state of music when someone puts the real *%$$ you seek on a silver platter for you, you refuse tolisten to it. i just dont get it. i mean, its simple, stop listening to the trash being force fed you and venture out to find something new, its 2008.
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^yep, i have no sympathy for people who complain about the lack of quality in todays hip hop, you may have to go out and find it but its there. I swear everyweak i discover a new artist that i had been sleeping on, for an example i just stumbled on the Northwest/Seattle hip hop scene, I slept on Blue Scholars andCommon Market for too long, everything ive heard from them is fire
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- hmmm. *adds to the long list of artists to look into*
- imma try and find a place to get that new Panacea, it dropped a couple weeks ago, im still trippin off The Scenic Route and Ink.
- you know what though, i almost got pissed that i made that blog and cats still was sleeping, but then i thought to myself "hey, they missing out. atleast i know". i think i stopped paying attention to the mainstream somewhere around 2002, im going to make a real effort to go back from then i findeverything i didnt know about.
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No sympathy?....whos asking for sympathy? People just voicing their opinions.
From the artist you listed...you seem to be into cornball rap...I really can't rock with that.
Im more into AZ, Killer Mike, Joell Ortiz, Budden, Nas, Styles, Kiss, Fab, Talib, The Roots, etc.
Not....G'dang Diggy
I wouldn't rock with this brand of Hip-Hop in any year.
If this is Hip-Hop music last hope...I'm good.
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No sympathy?....whos asking for sympathy? People just voicing their opinions.
From the artist you listed...you seem to be into cornball rap...I really can't rock with that.
Im more into AZ, Killer Mike, Joell Ortiz, Budden, Nas, Styles, Kiss, Fab, Talib, The Roots, etc.
Not....G'dang Diggy
I wouldn't rock with this brand of Hip-Hop in any year.
If this is Hip-Hop music last hope...I'm good.
How you bout to make an assumption about the artist i listen to based off two examples? saying im into cornball rap and then...
Im more into AZ, Killer Mike, Joell Ortiz, Budden, Nas, Styles, Kiss, Fab, Talib, The Roots, etc.
come through with a list of my favorite artist making music today with the exception of Talib and Fab
just because someone is more open minded than you in terms of what they're willing to listen to doesn't mean they dont listen to the same %$+$ you do
I listed my top ten albums of 08 a couple of weeks ago, I Pledge Allegiance to the Grind was top 5, Rising Down was top 10, haven't gotten to listen toHalfway House yet but im more than looking forward to it.
I listen to literally everything that i come across and i know im particularly open to just about anything, i certainly wouldn't expect everybody to beable to rock with Common Market etc....its whatever, butat you for making assumptions...I also feel bad for you if you think the videos you posted are hiphops last hope, the Northwest is probably the most unrecognized region in the country when it comes to this genre, the majority of listeners will never evenknow they existed. If you're going to try and make a case that todays underground artist aren't up to par with the past, post someone who's morequalified please
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I'm not knocking your preference or assuming who you do or don't listen to...I'm just saying that those artists you listed and that sub-genre ofHip-Hop is not something that appeals to me.
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I never implied that they would...the only time I even mentioned them was when i noted that even myself, someone with an obsession for hearing everything once,had no idea about them. And once again, if your basing your opinion on underground hip hop on them, your doing yourself a disservice...i dont really carethough, its not of my business
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i don't know how to do the quote thingy so I'm just going to respond. I'm stuck in my ways, sorry but i am. there is absolutely no comparisonyesterdays hip hop to today's hip hop. if there is good artist out there then there not getting radio play. I'm not saying there aren't any, but idon't hear them.. I'm older than probably most of niketalk, and i been around hip hop since i was a young dude. today's hip hop just doesn'tget me shaking. it doesn't make me want to download it, buy it, talk about it. etc etc.
if there is good hip hop out there then great give me a list of rappers that are rocking it hard and it has an old school vibe to it. i think what turned meoff is when that crunk southern crap came into play. ever since then it was the end for me. were talking late 98 or so. honestly i haven't been into itsince. i miss wild crazy demented lyrics, ill crazy thumping beats pumpin out a jeeps, i miss the love people had for it i miss them days. nowadays its allmoney and watered down. lets not talk about superman dat u know what. tht song being played at kids party's.
that's as if n.w.a played at kids party's back then (never happened) once you young cats get older and hear the "new hip hop" your all gonna be like "there's no better than the hop hop released back in2006,07,08,09 etc.. you watch. lol
edit: it's not just in hip hop its in all types of music. i miss good r and b, good rock music, alternative, pop. maybe i dont watch a lot of t.v ou allithe way i used to. but music in general is just not good. and i swear to you all i don't listen to radio. at allllllllll. lol
if there is good hip hop out there then great give me a list of rappers that are rocking it hard and it has an old school vibe to it. i think what turned meoff is when that crunk southern crap came into play. ever since then it was the end for me. were talking late 98 or so. honestly i haven't been into itsince. i miss wild crazy demented lyrics, ill crazy thumping beats pumpin out a jeeps, i miss the love people had for it i miss them days. nowadays its allmoney and watered down. lets not talk about superman dat u know what. tht song being played at kids party's.
edit: it's not just in hip hop its in all types of music. i miss good r and b, good rock music, alternative, pop. maybe i dont watch a lot of t.v ou allithe way i used to. but music in general is just not good. and i swear to you all i don't listen to radio. at allllllllll. lol
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No offense, but is the "18 AND UNDER NEED NOT APPLY" really required. You're just as ignorant as the kids you so much despise whenyou make comments like that. I listen to old school music, both 80's and 90's, so when I hear music like this I'm just as excited as everybodyelse. I'm not crying about, don't take it the wrong way, it's just that comments like that are completely unnecessary. � �Originally Posted by MyTsharp
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F these nerd rappers in the underground scene today . I remember when underground was filled with hardcore street music and balanced outknowledge/righteousness in an appealing manner . These days underground has turned into a herbed out, elitist , backpackin` blog scene (Yall dudes can suk my d). I ran with ill crew`s that maintained the last leg of true underground , it pretty much ended in the year 2000 . There was never a rebirth from this newgeneration . AND I don't wanna hear i'm not up on the new stuff , cuz I am ... and it`s SOFT.
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Thats basically what I was trying to get at....but tell them how you really feel.....
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im 19. does that mean im good?
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abeautifulhaze, i hope you see what you did by posting those videos
Ehh, i dont care how up you think you are on todays underground.
If Joel Ortiz, The Jacka, Doujah Raze, Buff1, Hell Razah, Esinchill, Killer Mike, Black Milk, The P- Brothers, Buckshot, Royce, One Be Lo, CunninLynguist, KazKyzah, etc.
...are soft, whatever son do you, you're just as ignorant and as some of the other dudes in here
I guess artist like Lupe and Zion I are too soft for worthy hip-hop ears
One thing you are right about is the Backpack thing...Yea that scene is kind of trendy right now but i could make a case for a few "backpack"rappers.
The backpack scene has a direct correlation to the blog scene. You almost tied it to a T, there are a good deal herbish %#@++$ makin music but that $+#% aintreally elitist one bit (oh the irony). The artis that fit into this category of backpack that you list, is a relatively small percentage of the currentunderground scene.
You guys are hilarious
Listen to this album and if you don't like it, ill never say anything on this subject again
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Originally Posted by 13saldana13
No offense, but is the "18 AND UNDER NEED NOT APPLY" really required. You're just as ignorant as the kids you so much despise when you make comments like that. I listen to old school music, both 80's and 90's, so when I hear music like this I'm just as excited as everybody else. I'm not crying about, don't take it the wrong way, it's just that comments like that are completely unnecessary. � �Originally Posted by MyTsharp
My-T.
[Big Boi] Boy Stop [Big Boi] Ain't not one thing I post say anything about despising kids. But I know that this record dropped in 94. So if you're16..18...or whatever you were just a toddler when the %*%! came out. Take it easy and stop being so defensive. My-T.
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Originally Posted by supervillain83
artifacts................
Indeed.
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Jersey in house, Tame-One rippped this +@*. 93-96 are def my fav. years in hip hop
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abeautifulhaze wrote:
I'm not knocking your preference or assuming who you do or don't listen to...I'm just saying that those artists you listed and that sub-genre of Hip-Hop is not something that appeals to me.
- yes you are. if you read, and can comprehend what he said, those were just extreme examples of someone he was sleeping on. you took that and assumed thatthats all he listens to. then took it a step futher with a childish jab by calling it 'cornball rap'.
- the artists he used in the example may not be what appeals to you, but you took that and used it as the model for all underground hip hop.
abeautifulhaze wrote:
Thats basically what I was trying to get at....but tell them how you really feel.....
- HATE, thats all it is. and i see we still couldnt get some sort of list of what underground cats yall are listeningtoo, but then again i didnt expect one. see, when onehates, they cant come up with legit examples. the conflict comes from them not being able to call it hate when thats all it is. people hate all the time, ifthey would just come out and say it there wouldnt be any problems. people listening to the hate would know where to file the comments. but people try to pawnhate off like opinion and thats not what it is. opinion comes from experiencing something then giving a point of view.
- but im sure, after this you'll comeback with some sort of personal attack instead of addressing the points at hand like an adult.
- keep in mind, the issue at hand is you (abeautifulhaze) saying today's music doesnt compare to what was out then. and we're sying it does.....if youknow where to look. one thing yall forget is the Artifacts (just as an example because it was the videeo posted) was not exactly ripping the chartsdown.........even in their prime. The Artifacts was looked at then the same way you generalized the underground scene in your post.......cornball, backpak,soft, etc.
- but now, fast forward to 2008 we have a thread dedicated to real old school hip hop and who's video was posted?? riiiight. take it from someone who usedto get laughed at from his peers for listening to the likes of Gang Starr, The Artifacts, Hieroglyphics, Tribe, De La, YZ, Jeru, etc.
- the same baseless arguments you have with the current underground scene, people was poppin that same noise back thenabout the same artists we covet so much today. and like i said before, had you actually given examples of certain underground albums you werent feeling....andmaybe a why you'd have a leg to stand on.
- me? i plan on downloading the latest from the mainstream......just to confirm how garbage i think TI, Wayne, Clipse, Jeezy, Dro, Game, 50, or whomever is, asto not end up talking out my #%+ when talking about them. do you plan to do the inverse with the underground?
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Originally Posted by BIGBEN1986
i don't know how to do the quote thingy so I'm just going to respond. I'm stuck in my ways, sorry but i am. there is absolutely no comparison yesterdays hip hop to today's hip hop. if there is good artist out there then there not getting radio play. I'm not saying there aren't any, but i don't hear them.. I'm older than probably most of niketalk, and i been around hip hop since i was a young dude. today's hip hop just doesn't get me shaking. it doesn't make me want to download it, buy it, talk about it. etc etc.
if there is good hip hop out there then great give me a list of rappers that are rocking it hard and it has an old school vibe to it. i think what turned me off is when that crunk southern crap came into play. ever since then it was the end for me. were talking late 98 or so. honestly i haven't been into it since. i miss wild crazy demented lyrics, ill crazy thumping beats pumpin out a jeeps, i miss the love people had for it i miss them days. nowadays its all money and watered down. lets not talk about superman dat u know what. tht song being played at kids party's.that's as if n.w.a played at kids party's back then (never happened) once you young cats get older and hear the "new hip hop" your all gonna be like "there's no better than the hop hop released back in 2006,07,08,09 etc.. you watch. lol
edit: it's not just in hip hop its in all types of music. i miss good r and b, good rock music, alternative, pop. maybe i dont watch a lot of t.v ou all ithe way i used to. but music in general is just not good. and i swear to you all i don't listen to radio. at allllllllll. lol
- peep my next 5 replies to this thread....
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