The offical " future of our country " discussion thread

devildog1776

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I know the avgerage NT'er doesnt think too deep on world events or global change but its something I've been looking into for the past 3 yrs or so... If you have nothing productive to input please dont reply.... I'll start off with a response I got when browsing a forum ...............


Now, the reason why I am so impressed and I believe that the clock is ticking and I have a renewed sense of urgency. I want you to listen to this. I wantyou to listen to this news story. I'm going to read it verbatim and I want to see if any of this sounds familiar. Citigroup says gold could rise over$2,000 next year as the world unravels. Again, Citigroup says gold could rise over $2,000 next year as the world unravels. Gold is poised for a dramatic surgeand the blast through $2,000 an ounce by the end of next year as central banks listen carefully as central banks flood the world's monetary system withliquidity. This is according to an internal client note from U.S. bank Citigroup. The bank said that the damage caused by the financial excesses of the last 25years was forcing the world's authorities to take steps that they had never tried before. This gamble was likely to end in one of two extreme ways, witheither a resurgence of inflation and trust me, gang, trust me they're not talking about regular inflation or a downward spiral into Depression, civildisorder and possibly wars. Both outcomes will cause a rush for gold. Quote: They are throwing the kitchen sink at this, said Tom Fitzpatrick. The bank'schief technical strategist. Quote: The world is not going back to normal after the magnitude of what they have done. When the dust settles on this, the worldwill, it will see that it will either work and the money they have pushed into the system will feed through an inflation shock, or it will not work because toomuch damage has already been done and we will see continued financial deterioration causing further economic deterioration and the risk of a feedback loop. Wedon't think that this is the more likely outcome. I do. But each week as it passes and each month passes, there is a growing danger of a vicious circle asconfidence erodes. This will lead I'm still quoting from Citigroup: This will lead to political instability. We are already seeing countries on theperiphery of Europe under severe stress. Some leaders remember, Citigroup is talking about the crazy edges of Europe. But see if any of this sounds familiar.Some leaders are now at record levels of unpopularity. There is a risk of domestic unrest starting with strikes because people are feeling disenfranchised, endquote. May the heavens open up and sing praises, hallelujah, finally someone with some credibility is talking about disenfranchisement. Quote: What happens ifthere is a meltdown in a country like Pakistan, which is a nuclear power? People react when they have their backs against the wall. We're already seeingdoubts listen to this: We are already seeing doubts emerge about the sovereign debts of developed AAA rated countries, which is not something you can ignore.So you know, developed AAA rated countries are countries like America. Gold traders are paying close attention to reports from Beijing that China is thinkingof boosting its gold reserves from 600 tons to near 4,000 tons in a way to diversify away from paper currencies. What does that mean? Whose paper do they hold?Ours. They hold our currencies. If they are talking about going from 600 tons of gold to near 4,000 tons of gold, they need to sell their currencies and theirtreasuries. What does that do to the American dollar? "Oh, no one will ever do that because they need us." Everyone is in survival mode. Mr.Fitzpatrick said Britain had made a mistake selling off half its gold at the bottom of the market between '99 and 2000. People have started to question thevalue of government debt, end quote. Meanwhile, our leaders are saying pay no attention to debt. Meanwhile, the Fed which unbeknownst unfortunately to a lot ofpeople, the ones who hold our treasury notes, the ones who it's backed by the Fed that is a treasury note, a promise the Fed will not release anyinformation on how much gold it holds. The Fed won't allow any accounting on what they actually have. Citigroup said the blastoff was likely to occurwithin two years and possibly as soon as 2009. Gold was trading yesterday at $812 an ounce. It is well off the all time peak of $1,030 in February, but hasheld up much better than other commodities over the last few months referring to its historic role as a safe haven store of value and a de facto currency. Goldhas tripled over the last three years in value, vastly outperforming Wall Street and European, it says bonuses here but it can't be bonuses, stocks.

Okay, look, here's the thing. Citi does this sound familiar? Does this, have you heard this maybe a year ago from anybody? This is a huge, hugedevelopment. This is Citigroup saying this and when somebody like Citigroup says this, it causes a shock to the system. It causes a shock to the market. Sohear me clearly. They are not telling you the full truth, just like the President won't tell you the full truth because they know what it means if theypanic. They know what it means if they say something that causes people to panic. This is the next level in getting people prepared for what's coming.

Let me go through this piece by piece. Gold could blast through $2,000 an ounce by the end of next year. It is going to blow through. You mark that down,Stu, if we're still on the radio in 12 months, it will go through $2,000 an ounce. The bank says it's caused by the financial excesses of the last 25years. That is true. The gamble is going to end in one of two extreme ways: Either with a resurgence of inflation they are not talking about inflation. Studythe Weimar Republic. They are talking about hyperinflation. You cannot inflate the world's money supply to the point that we have. They are lying to you.They are trying to take this down let's look at them in the best possible light. They are trying to take this system down as slowly as they can so you canprepare, but I'm telling you you are running out of time to prepare. You must prepare your household, you must prepare your children, you must do logical,well thought out things to be able to prepare your family and please do not do them in a panic fashion. I don't tell you these things to panic you. I tellyou this with a sense of urgency so you may move with a sense of urgency and it is the same reason why CitiBank is telling you this today. They say it'seither going to be inflation or a downward spiral into Depression, civil disorder and possible wars. They are talking about this on a global scale. Theydon't say that this is the United States but, gang, there's trouble coming. They are throwing the kitchen sink at this. This is what I told you a yearago. I said there's going to come a point to where they're going to open up these valves so far that nothing will react. The stock market won'treact, nothing will. And they've got to turn those valves the other way because if they don't turn them the other way and shut this money supply offand do it quickly, you are going to have massive inflation. Well, not only have they not shut those valves off, they've opened them up even more. Youcannot do these things. No matter what our arrogance tells us that, "oh, well, we've got it under control; oh, well, this will happen or this willhappen," these people are trying to change the course of a hurricane and they're making it worse, unless you prepare. I told you a year ago, I toldyou when I pulled out of the market, I got a phone call, this is over a year ago and I said I pulled everything out. And I got a phone call and they said,you're telling people to pull out of the stock market, you are only making things worse. I said nobody's listening to me, nobody's listening to meat this point. I'm just telling you what I've done, you make your own decision. But you know what and I prayed about this because I felt I almost feltin a way like a betrayer of my country because I thought, how am I pulling my money out? We need to be able to have jobs, we need to be able to build. And itcame to me, there must be someone with something left to be able to restart. You must protect your family. You must protect these things because you'regoing to need to be able to restart. There's got to be somebody left to be able to say, "Okay, let's pick ourselves back up." The world isnot going back to normal. This is a quote: The world is not going back to normal after the magnitude of what they have done. That's Citigroup: The worldwill not go back to normal after the magnitude of what they've done. This is what I told you three weeks ago when I said the G20 were meeting. I saidthey're dropping framework. It's a new world order. They know. They know what's coming. They are saying, "We just need to see what we cando." No, they are not. They are dropping in the new world order. If I know it, if my sources are good enough and I'm smart enough, a guy who nevertook an economics course in my life, can look at all of these things and say, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, no way out, you're blocking allthe exits, you know they do. They see it. This will lead to political instability, and they talk about European countries like Hungary, there is risk ofdomestic unrest starting with strikes.

Gang, Amy just called in 15 minutes ago. She was a caller. She just called in, and I specifically and I didn't point it out then. I hadn't read thisarticle. I didn't point it out then and I wasn't wildly overt. Anybody who has ears heard. I said, listen to her voice. I said that for a reason,because I want those who are listening, those who have ears to listen and eyes to see. I needed you to hear Amy, a regular person just like you, so angry andso sad on what's happening. She knows it. Americans, your gut is telling you this. Don't dismiss it. Follow your gut. If China would make that onemove, no one's lending us any more money. So all of the things that we borrow has to be purchased with something else. You want prescription drugs? Okay,we can't borrow the money from China anymore. We need $500 billion more, half a trillion dollars more for a stimulus package so we can train people to goout and buy a new television set to keep the economy going? No one is going to borrow no one is going to lend us that $500 billion. We're at the end, gang.We're at the end of that game. So how do they pay for it? They print it because governments can do that.
 
you know damn well no one is going to read all that.....provide an optional link and then post a condensed version....

and gold will not hit $2000....
 
We're doomed
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it only takes aboot 5-7 mins to read but , you gotta read to understand the full magnitude... reading is fundamental
 
Some of you guys are so @*@#*%% ignorant and narrow sighted it's ridiculous.


OP, thanks for posting this.

Anybody see this commercial?

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Makes you think doesn't it?
 
Originally Posted by marath0n

Some of you guys are so @*@#*%% ignorant and narrow sighted it's ridiculous.


OP, thanks for posting this.

Anybody see this commercial?

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Makes you think doesn't it?


I was
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on some good last night and I peeped this commercial like 10 timesin an hr... just channel surfing , I was wondering if it was the govt behind that commercial...
 
I read the whole thing unlike some ignorant NTers.

And I agree with this guy, it sounds crazy, but things are changing in this world.
 
The standard of living in America is definetly about to change that for sures.

But to address your post...if China stops buying T-Bills. Bernanke has said all along he will buy them ( I personally think they are buying them already) Somecountries do this already and they dont suffer massive inflation. You have to understand that until China's domestic demand for their goods is large enoughto sustain their economy they have no reason at all to stop lending to the US, its like committing suicide. Yes China has a lot of people but there are hugecultural boundaries the Government in China is going to have to overcome if its going to change its people into spenders.

If the US dollar gets devalued it has to be done on purpose. This analyst for Citi must not have read anyone of Bernanke's speeches.
 
Originally Posted by The Minister

all them words aint cool.
I agree. And I'm not even the type to bash someone for making a well-thought out point, but that's way too much. And how about someparenthetical structure. Those long @!+ paragraphs are just way too intimidating.
 
Originally Posted by NikeFlightposite

who and when is the U.S. going to pay back the money it owes to China?


The taxpayers is the who and the when is when ever China makes them. The way they will pay it back is they will "print" the money and send it toChina. This would cause hyperinflation in the US overnight essentially and all the money me and you have would be relatively worthless. But China is nevergoing to call them on it because once the US does that the value of the chinese currency is going to rise overnight and they would not be able to export. Theirwhole economy is exporting. The US and China are so dependent on each other its kinda disgusting.

What people do have to worry about if you ever hear it in the news is if countries begin to ask the US to denominate T-Bills in foreign currency. Japan hasalready asked that the US do this. Once this is done then the US will not be able to print it will actually have to pay. Then the US seriously risk a default.
 
Who governs the government? WHy has the federal reserve ever been audited? Where is this money come from and who decides how much its worth?
 
Originally Posted by devildog1776

Who governs the government? WHy has the federal reserve ever been audited? Where is this money come from and who decides how much its worth?


Well when the Federal Reserve was created they said they had to be unaccountable to the public because then they would be open to political agendas......ohthe irony.

And what money are you referring to?
 
Originally Posted by theone2401

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Who governs the government? WHy has the federal reserve ever been audited? Where is this money come from and who decides how much its worth?


Well when the Federal Reserve was created they said they had to be unaccountable to the public because then they would be open to political agendas......oh the irony.

And what money are you referring to?


thank god you arent on the grammar police.... the money Im referring to is our very own.. and countries similar to ours... I heard the EURO is in the same boatas the dollar not being backed by anything.....

How can the FED be in business when they're one of the culprits in stinking up the value of our dollar...
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Originally Posted by devildog1776

Originally Posted by theone2401

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Who governs the government? WHy has the federal reserve ever been audited? Where is this money come from and who decides how much its worth?


Well when the Federal Reserve was created they said they had to be unaccountable to the public because then they would be open to political agendas......oh the irony.

And what money are you referring to?


thank god you arent on the grammar police.... the money Im referring to is our very own.. and countries similar to ours... I heard the EURO is in the same boat as the dollar not being backed by anything.....

How can the FED be in business when they're one of the culprits in stinking up the value of our dollar...
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Well the value of the dollar comes from the supply and the demand of it that is why it is at an all time high. Since its the reserve currency most debt isborrowed in dollars. That creates a supply of dollars and that drives the value of it down. But since credit is contracting at record pace people have to sellwhatever assets they have to get dollars to pay down their debt. Money is debt so when debt is paid the supply dissapears. Since we are in a deflationaryspiral most paper assets are giving negative returns whereas cash is giving a positive return because the prices of things (oil, clothes) are going down soyour dollars are worth more. This is two reason why the dollar is going through the roof.

Now the Fed. They hate deflation because their whole system is based on debt. When you are in deflation your debt has to be paid back with more valuabledollars therefore increasing your debt. Where as in inflation you are paying your debt back with cheaper dollars. So they have to keep trying to inflateinflate inflate to keep banking interest intact and to keep the banks from being insolvent. The banking system needs inflation to survive because they are soleveraged they would be bankrupt without the Fed. That is the purpose of the Fed to keep the banks solvent when the money supply contracts.

This is why the whole idea is the get the average american up to their eyeballs in debt. If you are not in debt you love deflation its like a natural stimuluspackage (assuming you keep your job and current wage) but if you are in debt or you have invested in the worthless paper assets you have a vested interest insupport the fed and the banks so they can inflate and keep the %%!#@%!! going because you are getting crushed.
 
Originally Posted by theone2401

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Originally Posted by theone2401

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Who governs the government? WHy has the federal reserve ever been audited? Where is this money come from and who decides how much its worth?


Well when the Federal Reserve was created they said they had to be unaccountable to the public because then they would be open to political agendas......oh the irony.

And what money are you referring to?


thank god you arent on the grammar police.... the money Im referring to is our very own.. and countries similar to ours... I heard the EURO is in the same boat as the dollar not being backed by anything.....

How can the FED be in business when they're one of the culprits in stinking up the value of our dollar...
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Well the value of the dollar comes from the supply and the demand of it that is why it is at an all time high. Since its the reserve currency most debt is borrowed in dollars. That creates a supply of dollars and that drives the value of it down. But since credit is contracting at record pace people have to sell whatever assets they have to get dollars to pay down their debt. Money is debt so when debt is paid the supply dissapears. Since we are in a deflationary spiral most paper assets are giving negative returns whereas cash is giving a positive return because the prices of things (oil, clothes) are going down so your dollars are worth more. This is two reason why the dollar is going through the roof.

Now the Fed. They hate deflation because their whole system is based on debt. When you are in deflation your debt has to be paid back with more valuable dollars therefore increasing your debt. Where as in inflation you are paying your debt back with cheaper dollars. So they have to keep trying to inflate inflate inflate to keep banking interest intact and to keep the banks from being insolvent. The banking system needs inflation to survive because they are so leveraged they would be bankrupt without the Fed. That is the purpose of the Fed to keep the banks solvent when the money supply contracts.

This is why the whole idea is the get the average american up to their eyeballs in debt. If you are not in debt you love deflation its like a natural stimulus package (assuming you keep your job and current wage) but if you are in debt or you have invested in the worthless paper assets you have a vested interest in support the fed and the banks so they can inflate and keep the %%!#@%!! going because you are getting crushed.


nice breakdown
 
Bump diggy bump....

I just copped bullion today... 2 ozs... Offical pamp Suisse bullion.... When this stimulus package and bailout money run through the system and it dont bringany profit we are gonna feel the pain
 
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