So I've come to the conclusion that Big Daddy Kane may just be theee most influential rapper ever.

Wow... I expeted this thread to be much further on than when I left it yesterday

^^^If Kane wore skinny jeans and rapped in auto tune, it would have went further.

Originally Posted by SEND ONE

^^^If Kane wore skinny jeans and rapped in auto tune, it would have went further.

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The state of the game is disgusting

As much influence as Kane DID have it mostly can be attributed to "hip hop imagary" (if you will), his persona provided a blueprint for a lot of kidsto build their personas up, and become this SUPER human, girl gettin, money spendin smooth cat . . . But if we're gonna talk about the MOST influential, Idon't know if there is 1 . . . But I will make a case for the following people . . . (Cause this is a positive hip hop convo and NT hasn't had many)

1. KRS One - He came out HARD, with the cover of Criminal Minded, Any Means Necassary, just lettin muh****as know we got guns and we down for a cause . . . Notany cause, but for positivity and changin the conditions of our people. And when it comes to cokiness, he was JUST as cocky as a Kane or Slick Rick, just in aHARD street type of way, and both of those personas meshed togeather with the knowledge sprinkled on the top birthed a lot of cats careers

2. Rakim - He is the MOST influential as far as rhyme scheme, and pattern is concerned. Unless your rapping like Kool Moe Dee with the Trecherous 3, you'reprolly rhymin over the templete that Rakim laid. Further more is was influential with the clothes, as far as the Dapper Dan !$!% he was havin done. (Maybe notthe @!%*#$ up hair cut W-T-F was ever up with that?) Rakim aslo took on a roll simular to KRS (and Kane in some respects) as far as dropping knowledge in hisraps and providing some spirituality based rhymes and !$!%.

3. Melle Mell - Just off the strength . . . Ninjas wasn't really rapping right before "The Message" dropped

4. 2Pac - I don't really need to explain this one do I?? His influence transcends music and fellow musicians . . .

I feel what you saying Nay, but would'nt you agree that Kane was extremely influential in just about every aspect? I mean KRS had knowledge, G-Rap was astreet dude and Rakim, well no explanation is needed, but Kane meshed all those things perfectly. He dropped knowledge, he made party songs, he had women goingcrazy. It's like he touched all bases when alot of rappers confined themselves to a certain format. Dude was just well rounded.

And "Hip Hop imagery", well, that's been hip hop since almost the beggining. Not too many ppl can uphold their image the way he did.

Yea he was prolly the FIRST "Total Package" if you will . . . As far as a hip hop artist.

Nay I was hoping that you would come chime in with along with a few others...

I was having this discussion with my guy Easy last night and he made some excellent points in terms of supporting and negating my theory. You can make a casefor each of those you named plus LL G Rap etc. but to me Kane was just that perfect blend of all of his peers. Its like he didn't do anything GREAT whereyou would just point to him and be like "That's Kane's specialty" but he did everything exceptionally well.

Not to mention when it came down to style, charisma, and vibe he just had "IT" that made you be like "Yo, I wanna be like that dude" whenyou were a shorty (don't get me wrong Ra had it in a certain manner too, just not as much as Kane)

I wish I would've saved the aim convo but I remember him saying that Kane was an Ill ### blend, he had the bars, the persona, and he could dance whendancing was cool, and yet you never mistaked him dancing for him being soft in any manner. He still had that "@#@+ with me if you wanna" vibe andyour respected him that much more for all of that.

Thus his lineage is sooooo deep.

Originally Posted by SEND ONE

I feel what you saying Nay, but would'nt you agree that Kane was extremely influential in just about every aspect? I mean KRS had knowledge, G-Rap was a street dude and Rakim, well no explanation is needed, but Kane meshed all those things perfectly. He dropped knowledge, he made party songs, he had women going crazy. It's like he touched all bases when alot of rappers confined themselves to a certain format. Dude was just well rounded.

And "Hip Hop imagery", well, that's been hip hop since almost the beggining. Not too many ppl can uphold their image the way he did.

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Precisely.

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]But see bammas weren't trying to be like KRS One when he was out. He was the teacher, you werethe student. KRS always carried himself with the "I'm better than you and there is nothing that you can do about it" vibe. I didn't knowsomeone that said, "Yo! I want to be just like KRS", they respected him and that was that. And I definitely didn't know anyone that wanted to belike LL.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]With The God, dudes was just amazed to be listening to him. He was like a machine on the mic, anddudes wanted to be like him, but you knew, you knew that he was one of a few.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]Now when it came to Kane. He was like that smooth dude in class that got all the girls and wascool with everyone. Son pretty much made the high top ill to have, he had the rhymes, he had the dance moves, he had the style.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]When you talk about New York based MC's in the mid to late 90s and even now. That umbrellapretty much all falls under what Kane started. I was listening to an ep of Juan Epstein where Mr. Cee was talkin about how much BIG idolized Kane, how he wasBDK's biggest fan. If you listen to son's style in his early rhymes it was a derivative of BDK.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]What made it wild too was that BDK was one of the first MC's to work with non hip hop artistson major projects. Son had records with Patti Labelle, Paul Simon, did nude photoshoots with Madonna. C'mon b...who was doing that at the time? The onlyreason RUN DMC did "Walk This Way" was because Russell and Rick had to force em' to do it, they thought the %$@+ was gonna be a flop, and itwasn't even like they were workin' with Aerosmith, they were just taking the sample.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]Nay, I understand your breakdown of MC's. But Melle Mel IMO was highly overrated in the sensethat he really didn't have a huge catalog. He was just a street dude that got on and had an ill verse on "The Message" and put a few tapes outfrom park jams. But he wasn't felt like Ra, BDK and KRS were. With Pac it was different because he was post-Kane.
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[/color]Kane meshed all those things perfectly. He dropped knowledge, he made party songs, he had women going crazy. It's like he touched all bases when alot of rappers confined themselves to a certain format. Dude was just well rounded.

And my dude was only 20-21 at the time. That's what makes it so wild.
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My-T.

PS. Just wanna let yall know I'm not starting %$@+ and saying that y'all opinions are null and void. Justlettin' y'all know how I feel.

, I know sometimes cats on the board think you're personally attacking their knowledge of the culture.
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N, I wanted to be Big Daddy Kane.

I agree with Cake and MyT. Jay and Big polished that !!#+, and really, the timing had everything to do with it.

Dudes knew KRS was nice, but I didn't know one single person that wanted to be that dude. Rakim was that n, can't take nothing away. But Kane justdid everything good, and I think that's the point.

Hell, even Pac was trying to be Kane a lil when he got to Death Row.

Right now dude has me sold. But I know dudes gonna make an argument for Rakim, G Rap and KRS so I wanna hear your best arguments.

LMAO, Kane only a year older than this clown @%$ dude Jay.

Yea I've been waiting on an in depth argument for Ra this entire thread

would love to see someone else make one just on the strength

Originally Posted by itsphillthy

He is the blueprint for being a mainstream rap star.

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I can't argue with that.

Your not going to get the Ra argument because while he was a better rapper than Kane, his influence on the game, outside of the music wasn't as important.Kane is hip-hop culture.