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The people of Gaza elected Hamas.
You don't see Israel bombing the West Bank.
They elected Hamas knowing how Hamas operates.
SMH Israel bombs Gaza Strip....Israel strikes demolish Hamas compounds, kills 192 injures 250+
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You don't see Israel bombing the West Bank.
They elected Hamas knowing how Hamas operates.
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Sad...
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They elected Hamas as a last, desperate grasp to achieve what they want.
Hamas is the only group with the ability to fight back against Israel, and now not only that, are a legitimate political party.
A political party that went from militancy to politically correct to establish more credibility, a la, eliminating the call for the destruction of Israel fromtheir platform to the establishment of one state with Jerusalem as its capitol.
All Hamas, and most Palestinians want is the re establishment of the borders that were in 1967, and the widthdrawl from Palestinian territory, yet Israelcannot even do this.
Hamas is the only group with the ability to fight back against Israel, and now not only that, are a legitimate political party.
A political party that went from militancy to politically correct to establish more credibility, a la, eliminating the call for the destruction of Israel fromtheir platform to the establishment of one state with Jerusalem as its capitol.
All Hamas, and most Palestinians want is the re establishment of the borders that were in 1967, and the widthdrawl from Palestinian territory, yet Israelcannot even do this.
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Originally Posted by kix4kix
Never ceases to amaze me how much press this recieves
I literralywhen I saw this thread
\ I don't understand. You think it should get LESS press?
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What dose religion have to do with anything ? it a battle of land not religion both muslims and christians fight god's chosen people.
Correction, both Muslims and Christians are spit on, harassed, and thrown out of their homes by Jewish people.
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They eliminated the destruction of Israel from their official platform? Oh, wow. How nice of them. I mean before they did that they were on theverge of actually destroying the state of Israel. Nowm they let Israeli's live. What kind people.
One state? Never going to happen. It's a ridiculous notion to begin with.
If Hamas wants to be a militant org. than what do they expect in return?
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religion further complicates the conflict... I don't think it will ever end
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The problem with the American/Israeli perspective is that they never ask questions about WHY the Palestinians act the way they do. Blamingterrorism to justify Israel's unproportional response to Hamas' rocket attacks is an easy cop-out. The Palestinians chose Hamas because Hamas portrayedthemselves as a group that would address important Palestinian social issues and improve the livelihood of the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip. After beingelected, many countries around the world banned the donation of money to Hamas because they were labelled as a terrorist organization. While this decision hasimpacted Hamas, the lack of money coming into the Gaza Strip has mostly impacted the Palestinian people. Hamas was also chosen because Fat'h was anotoriously corrupt party and people got sick and tired of being lied to. The ONLY alternative was Hamas. Despite Hamas' shady record, people were willingto give them a chance.
Israel being the dominant player in the Middle-East has the responsibility to act proportionally. The death of 2-3 Israelis is significant. However, to launchan air assault in response is irresponsible because the amount of damage it causes to civilian infrastructure. 200+ people have been killed, you can notpossible think that all or even half of them were terrorists. Plus, as a democracy aren't you innocent until proven guilty? Why didn't Israel roundthese people up and arrest them and then try them in court?
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What dose religion have to do with anything ? it a battle of land not religion both muslims and christians fight god's chosen people.
Correction, both Muslims and Christians are spit on, harassed, and thrown out of their homes by Jewish people.
"Their homes" um no, Israel is promised to the Jews by god, hence the Jews be allowed to do what they like. [h3]Genesis 15:13-21 (New International Version)[/h3]
13 Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure."
17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river [sup][a][/sup] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girga****es and Jebusites."
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This attitude here is why the problem exists in the first place.
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So Hamas fires a rocket, Israel should fire a rocket.....hell no, show them what you can do.......War is not about being even with the other guy,its about winning...!!!!! And democracy does not mean innocent until proven guilty, it means the people have the ability to vote on what they want to happenwithin their governemnt....
Hamas as an organization wants nothing more than for Israel to be pushed off the map, thats why I beleive the actions are justified....
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What dose religion have to do with anything ? it a battle of land not religion both muslims and christians fight god's chosen people.
Correction, both Muslims and Christians are spit on, harassed, and thrown out of their homes by Jewish people.
"Their homes" um no, Israel is promised to the Jews by god, hence the Jews be allowed to do what they like. [h3]Genesis 15:13-21 (New International Version)[/h3]
13 Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure."
17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river [sup][a][/sup] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girga****es and Jebusites."
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you are an idiot. & whoever else thinks that killing 200+ people is right is the same. you'd think differently if it was your family.
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Man them Israelite are getting on my nerves. gave the Palestine their land back and go to Europe
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What dose religion have to do with anything ? it a battle of land not religion both muslims and christians fight god's chosen people.
Correction, both Muslims and Christians are spit on, harassed, and thrown out of their homes by Jewish people.
"Their homes" um no, Israel is promised to the Jews by god, hence the Jews be allowed to do what they like. [h3]Genesis 15:13-21 (New International Version)[/h3]
13 Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure."
17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river [sup][a][/sup] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girga****es and Jebusites."
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This is absolutely ******ed, im reading the quotes and seeing this is the same guy that said "what does religion have to do withanything". Unless this is thinly veiled sarcasm, this is mental midgetry at it's finest.
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both sides are guilty..
but everyone is jumping to blame the jews. how about its their government.
its no differant than everyone hating us.. americans.. cuz of Bush... im not a bad person.. i doubt most of NT has bad people.. but they still hate us.. cuzour gov't....
sorry if that didn't make lots of sense.. i just woke up
but everyone is jumping to blame the jews. how about its their government.
its no differant than everyone hating us.. americans.. cuz of Bush... im not a bad person.. i doubt most of NT has bad people.. but they still hate us.. cuzour gov't....
sorry if that didn't make lots of sense.. i just woke up
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To all those condemning Israel's reaction, what do you think would be a suitable response to a group that has launched 200 rockets and mortars into yourcountry in the past week alone?
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very good point
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$ makes the world go 'round.
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Originally Posted by The Yes Guy
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Never ceases to amaze me how much press this recieves
I literralywhen I saw this thread
\ I don't understand. You think it should get LESS press?
There are about 30 wars in africa right now. Name One.
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exactly, backed by the whole *+%* world
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C'mon, are you serious? Easier said than done.
Invite them over for dinner shortly after
Seriously, Hamas had it coming, they knew it, they know what Israel military is capable of.
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The solution is extremely difficult to implement, especially for the Palestinians. For any solution to be implemented the Palestinians will haveto give up more than Israel simply because the Israeli's have the upper hand at present and for the foreseeable future.
We know the 'why'. The 'why' is no longer important. Just as the 'why' for Israel is no longer important.
One can talk about the 'why' for decades. It won't solve anything.
There is a solution but it requires that the Palestinians give up a lot simply because they don't have the upper hand. Israel has no incentive to tocompromise on key issues.
It's either the Palestinians choose to accept an agreement that is much less than they expect or keep on fighting. They choose to keep on fighting. Thatmeans Israel will keep on fighting too.
I don't care much for who's right or wrong in this situation. It's pointless anyways. Both sides are right at times and wrong other times, justlike everything else in life.
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What dose religion have to do with anything ? it a battle of land not religion both muslims and christians fight god's chosen people.
Correction, both Muslims and Christians are spit on, harassed, and thrown out of their homes by Jewish people.
"Their homes" um no, Israel is promised to the Jews by god, hence the Jews be allowed to do what they like. [h3]Genesis 15:13-21 (New International Version)[/h3]
13 Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure."
17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river [sup][a][/sup] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girga****es and Jebusites."
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This is absolutely ******ed, im reading the quotes and seeing this is the same guy that said "what does religion have to do with anything". Unless this is thinly veiled sarcasm, this is mental midgetry at it's finest.
Dr.Spaceman, you make a good point. What I meant was, the fight isn't about religion its about land. But the validity to that land is provenby the bible. A contradiciton ? maybe.But proof none the less.
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my girl is going to Israel Jan 1st .... i really hope she doesn't have to deal with any of this madness while shes there