Proof that the last 8 years could have many, many hidden secrets exposed....US GOVT SPIED ON OWN PPL

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

I realize all of the laws and basic rights that this violates, but in the end, if you are being a law abiding citizen, is it really that big of a deal that some random government agent might be listening to your phone call?I talk on a phone in public all of the time, knowing full well that people can hear everything that I am saying.
Privacy is always nice but since I know that I'm not doing anything wrong, I could care less if somebody is listening to me. I would much rather some government agent listen to every call I make and potentially save one person's life then have complete privacy on the phone.
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The fact is though, that we shouldn't have to live our lives thinking about these kinds of things. Government is a form of slavery upheld by laws. You break the laws, you go to detention. This is not a free country. You cannot say anything you want, you cannot find out information you want, and you cannot do what you want.

The fact that this even came out public surprises me. I knew something like this was going on, but you couldn't really say because you really have no proof.
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so would you rather live in a society without any form of government, without any sort of laws, without any regulation, without anything?
 
Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

I realize all of the laws and basic rights that this violates, but in the end, if you are being a law abiding citizen, is it really that big of a deal that some random government agent might be listening to your phone call?I talk on a phone in public all of the time, knowing full well that people can hear everything that I am saying.
Privacy is always nice but since I know that I'm not doing anything wrong, I could care less if somebody is listening to me. I would much rather some government agent listen to every call I make and potentially save one person's life then have complete privacy on the phone.
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The fact is though, that we shouldn't have to live our lives thinking about these kinds of things. Government is a form of slavery upheld by laws. You break the laws, you go to detention. This is not a free country. You cannot say anything you want, you cannot find out information you want, and you cannot do what you want.

The fact that this even came out public surprises me. I knew something like this was going on, but you couldn't really say because you really have no proof.
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so would you rather live in a society without any form of government, without any sort of laws, without any regulation, without anything?
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We'll never find out anyway.
 
Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

I realize all of the laws and basic rights that this violates, but in the end, if you are being a law abiding citizen, is it really that big of a deal that some random government agent might be listening to your phone call?I talk on a phone in public all of the time, knowing full well that people can hear everything that I am saying.
Privacy is always nice but since I know that I'm not doing anything wrong, I could care less if somebody is listening to me. I would much rather some government agent listen to every call I make and potentially save one person's life then have complete privacy on the phone.
Click to expand...

The fact is though, that we shouldn't have to live our lives thinking about these kinds of things. Government is a form of slavery upheld by laws. You break the laws, you go to detention. This is not a free country. You cannot say anything you want, you cannot find out information you want, and you cannot do what you want.

The fact that this even came out public surprises me. I knew something like this was going on, but you couldn't really say because you really have no proof.
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so would you rather live in a society without any form of government, without any sort of laws, without any regulation, without anything?
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Exactly NT is quick to say open your eyes your own government blah blah blah but what exactly are they going to do about it? What harm is big brother doing toanyone? Nothing so what point does exposing it do for anyone?
 
damn NT can't even have a discussion with out people bringing up lame %%! points about would you rather live with no government yada yada ****. Lames. Thegovernment is corrupt as hell this is well known, conspiracy theories are called conspiracy theories because only the people actually looking for informationon their own are finding them aka the people who care about their lives and world (the minority) while the rest of you sheep sit there and watch your localnews and take that as the truth( the majority) . Y'all need to go out and get some damn books. / rant - run on sentences i've had a couple brews.
 
Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

I realize all of the laws and basic rights that this violates, but in the end, if you are being a law abiding citizen, is it really that big of a deal that some random government agent might be listening to your phone call?I talk on a phone in public all of the time, knowing full well that people can hear everything that I am saying.
Privacy is always nice but since I know that I'm not doing anything wrong, I could care less if somebody is listening to me. I would much rather some government agent listen to every call I make and potentially save one person's life then have complete privacy on the phone.
Click to expand...

The fact is though, that we shouldn't have to live our lives thinking about these kinds of things. Government is a form of slavery upheld by laws. You break the laws, you go to detention. This is not a free country. You cannot say anything you want, you cannot find out information you want, and you cannot do what you want.

The fact that this even came out public surprises me. I knew something like this was going on, but you couldn't really say because you really have no proof.
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so would you rather live in a society without any form of government, without any sort of laws, without any regulation, without anything?
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Exactly NT is quick to say open your eyes your own government blah blah blah but what exactly are they going to do about it? What harm is big brother doing to anyone? Nothing so what point does exposing it do for anyone?
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Bailouts, war crimes, and corruption don't hurt anyone? You tell that to the people who were laid off just today alone. Or the people who areabout to retire, but lose a lot of money because of inflation and market fluctuations. Or the people in other countries who are being exploited bycorporations. No harm at all. Just as long as it doesn't affect you.

Blah blah blah blah...
 
Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

I realize all of the laws and basic rights that this violates, but in the end, if you are being a law abiding citizen, is it really that big of a deal that some random government agent might be listening to your phone call?I talk on a phone in public all of the time, knowing full well that people can hear everything that I am saying.
Privacy is always nice but since I know that I'm not doing anything wrong, I could care less if somebody is listening to me. I would much rather some government agent listen to every call I make and potentially save one person's life then have complete privacy on the phone.
Click to expand...

The fact is though, that we shouldn't have to live our lives thinking about these kinds of things. Government is a form of slavery upheld by laws. You break the laws, you go to detention. This is not a free country. You cannot say anything you want, you cannot find out information you want, and you cannot do what you want.

The fact that this even came out public surprises me. I knew something like this was going on, but you couldn't really say because you really have no proof.
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To tell you the truth, I don't think about these things. If somebody is listening to my call, great, if they aren't, great. Either way, itisn't going to affect what I say and I won't live in fear for weeks afterward.

Compared to any country in the world, America is about as free as it gets. The government has to have a certain level of control things which means keep somesecrets. No country could function if the citizens, and thus the rest of the world, knew absolutely everything that was going on.

Would you really like to live in a society that everything goes? There is no society in history which that concept has worked for and it never will work.
 
nnarum wrote:
so would you rather live in a society without any form of government, without any sort of laws, without any regulation, without anything?



Exactly NT is quick to say open your eyes your own government blah blah blah but what exactly are they going to do about it? What harm is big brother doing to anyone? Nothing so what point does exposing it do for anyone?

Bailouts, war crimes, and corruption don't hurt anyone? You tell that to the people who were laid off just today alone. Or the people who are about to retire, but lose a lot of money because of inflation and market fluctuations. Or the people in other countries who are being exploited by corporations. No harm at all. Just as long as it doesn't affect you.

Blah blah blah blah...



so my question to you if Big brother is truly the one responsible for all of that what is "he" trying to get out of it
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Originally Posted by nnarum

Exactly NT is quick to say open your eyes your own government blah blah blah but what exactly are they going to do about it? What harm is big brother doing to anyone? Nothing so what point does exposing it do for anyone?
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Bailouts, war crimes, and corruption don't hurt anyone? You tell that to the people who were laid off just today alone. Or the people who are about to retire, but lose a lot of money because of inflation and market fluctuations. Or the people in other countries who are being exploited by corporations. No harm at all. Just as long as it doesn't affect you.

Blah blah blah blah...


How does the bailout, war crimes, and corporate corruption relate to infringement on privacy due to wire taps?

Actually, a lot of the corrupt scandals are being supported by obtaining e-mail conversations proving that those involved, fully knew what they were doing wasillegal.
 
Like it was stated on the first page, the usual band of idiots would be sure to make their rounds.
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i haven't even read the thread after watching the video, but i guarantee there are people in here defending this with the logic that "if youaren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"...and for that reason, i won't even address this thread any further.
 
Originally Posted by purplehazze96

Like it was stated on the first page, the usual band of idiots would be sure to make their rounds.
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I don't know if this was directed at me, but like I said earlier it doesn't surprise me.

And big brother wants work and taxes. Also to offer us debt, another form of slavery, so that we continue to work.

My question to you is, when the government borrows money from the federal reserve, how does it pay the interest that the federal reserve charges to borrow themoney? Or layman's terms, to put more money in circulation I.E. bailout...And this is a totally non conspirator question. How do you take X to pay X+Y, andhave to come up with Y as in interest to pay back the loan? Where do you get the money to pay the interest or Y? So we just make up more money to pay back theinterest that could've never even paid back?
 
Originally Posted by nnarum

I don't know if this was directed at me, but like I said earlier it doesn't surprise me.

And big brother wants work and taxes. Also to offer us debt, another form of slavery, so that we continue to work.

My question to you is, when the government borrows money from the federal reserve, how does it pay the interest that the federal reserve charges to borrow the money? Or layman's terms, to put more money in circulation I.E. bailout...And this is a totally non conspirator question. How do you take X to pay X+Y, and have to come up with Y as in interest to pay back the loan? Where do you get the money to pay the interest or Y? So we just make up more money to pay back the interest that could've never even paid back?
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I can't answer that, I know some basic economics but I don't know the inter working of the Fed that well. I don't get why increasingthe money supply has anything to do with this though?

I realize that almost everyone here hates Bush, some for good reasons, some for questionable reasons and others cause its the cool thing to do these days. Buthypothetically, what would you say if Obama infringes on the public's privacy in anyway in the next 4 to 8 years?
 
Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by nnarum

I don't know if this was directed at me, but like I said earlier it doesn't surprise me.

And big brother wants work and taxes. Also to offer us debt, another form of slavery, so that we continue to work.

My question to you is, when the government borrows money from the federal reserve, how does it pay the interest that the federal reserve charges to borrow the money? Or layman's terms, to put more money in circulation I.E. bailout...And this is a totally non conspirator question. How do you take X to pay X+Y, and have to come up with Y as in interest to pay back the loan? Where do you get the money to pay the interest or Y? So we just make up more money to pay back the interest that could've never even paid back?
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I can't answer that, I know some basic economics but I don't know the inter working of the Fed that well. I don't get why increasing the money supply has anything to do with this though?

I realize that almost everyone here hates Bush, some for good reasons, some for questionable reasons and others cause its the cool thing to do these days. But hypothetically, what would you say if Obama infringes on the public's privacy in anyway in the next 4 to 8 years?
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Exactly. And most Americans don't. I'm not an economics major, but I know you can't create new matter, word to science class. Increasing the moneysupply would only allow the government to pay off the interest, but then getting into more debt with more interest. Which is why the deficit increases at suchan alarming rate. And some of the bailouts are being funded by the fed, which means more money is being put into circulation. And when more money is incirculation, the value of existing dollars goes down. Which creates inflation.

Another crazy nugget, most people don't think 9/11 is staged, but I say it could be. I'm not going to get into the details about the attack, but Hitleronce burned down his house blaming the enemy to create fear in his people to pass an act similar to the Patriot Act. Look up the Enabling Act of 1933. Ican't be nothing but shocked when you look at the similarities...
 
Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by nnarum

I don't know if this was directed at me, but like I said earlier it doesn't surprise me.

And big brother wants work and taxes. Also to offer us debt, another form of slavery, so that we continue to work.

My question to you is, when the government borrows money from the federal reserve, how does it pay the interest that the federal reserve charges to borrow the money? Or layman's terms, to put more money in circulation I.E. bailout...And this is a totally non conspirator question. How do you take X to pay X+Y, and have to come up with Y as in interest to pay back the loan? Where do you get the money to pay the interest or Y? So we just make up more money to pay back the interest that could've never even paid back?
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I can't answer that, I know some basic economics but I don't know the inter working of the Fed that well. I don't get why increasing the money supply has anything to do with this though?

I realize that almost everyone here hates Bush, some for good reasons, some for questionable reasons and others cause its the cool thing to do these days. But hypothetically, what would you say if Obama infringes on the public's privacy in anyway in the next 4 to 8 years?
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Exactly. And most Americans don't. I'm not an economics major, but I know you can't create new matter, word to science class. Increasing the money supply would only allow the government to pay off the interest, but then getting into more debt with more interest. Which is why the deficit increases at such an alarming rate. And some of the bailouts are being funded by the fed, which means more money is being put into circulation. And when more money is in circulation, the value of existing dollars goes down. Which creates inflation.

Another crazy nugget, most people don't think 9/11 is staged, but I say it could be. I'm not going to get into the details about the attack, but Hitler once burned down his house blaming the enemy to create fear in his people to pass an act similar to the Patriot Act. Look up the Enabling Act of 1933. I can't be nothing but shocked when you look at the similarities...
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I get what you are saying but I still dont see how that relates with secrets, privacy, wire taps, and everything else that was previously in thispost? As far as 9/11, thats your opinion and while it might be a possibility, I still doubt that it was set up by the governmet.

You bolded half of my last post so I know you read it all, your response to my hypotical Obama question?
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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by nnarum

I don't know if this was directed at me, but like I said earlier it doesn't surprise me.

And big brother wants work and taxes. Also to offer us debt, another form of slavery, so that we continue to work.

My question to you is, when the government borrows money from the federal reserve, how does it pay the interest that the federal reserve charges to borrow the money? Or layman's terms, to put more money in circulation I.E. bailout...And this is a totally non conspirator question. How do you take X to pay X+Y, and have to come up with Y as in interest to pay back the loan? Where do you get the money to pay the interest or Y? So we just make up more money to pay back the interest that could've never even paid back?
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I can't answer that, I know some basic economics but I don't know the inter working of the Fed that well. I don't get why increasing the money supply has anything to do with this though?

I realize that almost everyone here hates Bush, some for good reasons, some for questionable reasons and others cause its the cool thing to do these days. But hypothetically, what would you say if Obama infringes on the public's privacy in anyway in the next 4 to 8 years?
Click to expand...

Exactly. And most Americans don't. I'm not an economics major, but I know you can't create new matter, word to science class. Increasing the money supply would only allow the government to pay off the interest, but then getting into more debt with more interest. Which is why the deficit increases at such an alarming rate. And some of the bailouts are being funded by the fed, which means more money is being put into circulation. And when more money is in circulation, the value of existing dollars goes down. Which creates inflation.

Another crazy nugget, most people don't think 9/11 is staged, but I say it could be. I'm not going to get into the details about the attack, but Hitler once burned down his house blaming the enemy to create fear in his people to pass an act similar to the Patriot Act. Look up the Enabling Act of 1933. I can't be nothing but shocked when you look at the similarities...
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I get what you are saying but I still dont see how that relates with secrets, privacy, wire taps, and everything else that was previously in this post? As far as 9/11, thats your opinion and while it might be a possibility, I still doubt that it was set up by the governmet.

You bolded half of my last post so I know you read it all, your response to my hypotical Obama question?
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It wouldn't surprise me, and what could we do about it? Actually, I think people would be Ok with anything Obama says right now... He'scaptured the hearts of average, uneducated Americans...
 
Originally Posted by nnarum

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It wouldn't surprise me, and what could we do about it? Actually, I think people would be Ok with anything Obama says right now... He's captured the hearts of average, uneducated Americans...


I completely agree, right now Obama walks on water and atleast for the first few years, I feel like he could get away with almost anything Bushdid just because everyone loves him. He is such a good speaker that he could convince the nation of anything he says.
I was just making sure that there wasn't a double standard. It wasn't like Bush's platform when he was running for president was illegal wiretaps,it was just something he did because at the time it seemed right to him. Nothing is saying that Obama won't pull something out of left field that wascompletely unexpected in the next 4 years.
 
my question to you guys about this. What happens if the government comes out with all of the dirt that they did as in:

they admit they put crack in the ghettos
they admit they flew drugs into the country
they admit that the justice system is biased against the poor
they admit they had a hand in 9/11
they admit that they've been spying on our nation
they admit that the FED is a corrupt organization
they admit that they were acting in their own personal interest
they admit that no plane actually hit the pentagon
they admit that they knew before hand about the OKC bombing
they admit that they had Malcolm X & MLK Jr. killed
they admit that there are all these secret societies
they admit they do support a new world order

what happens after they admit all these things?
 
Originally Posted by ericberry14

my question to you guys about this. What happens if the government comes out with all of the dirt that they did as in:

they admit they put crack in the ghettos
they admit they flew drugs into the country
they admit that the justice system is biased against the poor
they admit they had a hand in 9/11
they admit that they've been spying on our nation
they admit that the FED is a corrupt organization
they admit that they were acting in their own personal interest
they admit that no plane actually hit the pentagon
they admit that they knew before hand about the OKC bombing
they admit that they had Malcolm X & MLK Jr. killed
they admit that there are all these secret societies
they admit they do support a new world order

what happens after they admit all these things?
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Maybe people would reject it, meaning the government itself?

You still didn't answer mine. Which is something that happens almost everyday, and they put it right out there for us to see...
 
Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by ericberry14

my question to you guys about this. What happens if the government comes out with all of the dirt that they did as in:

they admit they put crack in the ghettos
they admit they flew drugs into the country
they admit that the justice system is biased against the poor
they admit they had a hand in 9/11
they admit that they've been spying on our nation
they admit that the FED is a corrupt organization
they admit that they were acting in their own personal interest
they admit that no plane actually hit the pentagon
they admit that they knew before hand about the OKC bombing
they admit that they had Malcolm X & MLK Jr. killed
they admit that there are all these secret societies
they admit they do support a new world order

what happens after they admit all these things?
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Maybe people would reject it, meaning the government itself?

You still didn't answer mine. Which is something that happens almost everyday, and they put it right out there for us to see...
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what question did you ask me?

but just for the record, i do agree with you guys on alot of the things that ur saying about the government being corrupt & hiding alot of things from thepublic. But unless you have an idea for a government that would be less corrupt, then what good will it do
 
Originally Posted by ericberry14

my question to you guys about this. What happens if the government comes out with all of the dirt that they did as in:

they admit they put crack in the ghettos
they admit they flew drugs into the country
they admit that the justice system is biased against the poor
they admit they had a hand in 9/11
they admit that they've been spying on our nation
they admit that the FED is a corrupt organization
they admit that they were acting in their own personal interest
they admit that no plane actually hit the pentagon
they admit that they knew before hand about the OKC bombing
they admit that they had Malcolm X & MLK Jr. killed
they admit that there are all these secret societies
they admit they do support a new world order

what happens after they admit all these things?
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Man thats a good one. I'll take the same ol same ol for 300 Alex.
 
Well when you look at the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 that Congress pass last year. You will see that the telecommunication companies got immunity from anylawsuits for helping the govn't. Our Congress pass this bill.
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I was heated because I wrote and wrote to my congress and they didn't care what I had to say. They just wrote back and said, "its for nationalsecurity". Yea rite.! How big are your pockets now congressmen?

But seriously, if you are just finding out about this, smh. There was a report that came out a couple yrs back. But I'm not surprise, they probably beendoing this for years.
 
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