Anyone Think Sony May Go Out Of Business? Profits Fall 95 Percent

Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by justhotkicks

Originally Posted by ericberry14

mostly due to their perceived arrogance about their superior console
Fixed.
it was fine the way it is.

its funny, a year or 2 from now, gears of war 3 is gonna come out and im probably going to be saying to myself "why doesnt this look better than killzone?" - maybe cause all these 360 developers need to stop bleeding this unreal 3 engine dry, sony's hitting hard this year with SUPERIOR looking exclusives such as kz2, god of war 3, heavy rain, uncharted 2, and possibly GT5 - PS3 is definitely superior

now before u start with that "360 has better online" - yeah, we all know live is better with its cross game chats and cross game invites so its better in terms of communication, but i dont see live doing 128 vs 128 anytime soon, let alone 30 vs 30, hell Epic couldnt even get 5 on 5 right (yall know what i mean)
You smell like a fanboy.
 
Originally Posted by cRazy dav0

JUST LIKE NINTENDO IN THE 90'S ... gassed off of the success of the original nintendo, they raped developers for publishing and royalty fees
they were too arrogant and dissed sony which led to the creation of the playstation in the first place. However, nintendo has always been big on cash
and has pretty much stuck to games ...

anyways ... sony has fallen off ... high prices for products that aren't worth it, inventions such as the minidisc, now they coming out w/ a PSP 2 ... it will
sell but nintendo has just shipped its 96th million DS unit .... they taking mad L's right now... they won't go out of business but sony has alot less exclusives
than they used too, sort of like nintendo did back in the day ...
I think he hit the nail on the head. Nintendo shut itself out of what could have been a virtual monopoly by doing developers the way they didback in the '90s. You would think Sony of all people would have learned not to do the same thing. This is going to be interesting...
 
Originally Posted by K2theAblaM

You smell like a fanboy.
thats cause i probably am, dont get it twisted though, 360 is cool, i play it all the time whenever i go to friends houses cause its what a lot ofthem have, i dont think im some kind of superior game player that ill refuse to touch a 360

the reason i defend ps3 is cause these "sony is doomed" "ps3 is doomed" "killzone is doomed" articles are rediculous, they bothsold 10.8 million in 08

Originally Posted by ArsnalJ23

You are all sorely mistaken if you think there is only one fanboy in this thread...

seriously, a majority of the posts before mine are all "ps3 is doomed" posts, after reading all those - yall should know where this thread washeaded, the reason i brought up defending ps3 is cause the people who posts these "ps3 = fail" posts fail to realize that under Sony, SCE isprofitable regardless of the losses it takes on ps3

as for shughes and his "this is not a ps3 vs 360" thread, ur right, sony is still profiting, people are failing to realize that Sony is more thanjust electronics and video games, its also Movies and Music,

i didnt want to bring 360 into it but i did once i read that the article was from CNN, the biggest "ps3 is doomed" source, they released this articleon the day that equal sales were announced for 360 and ps3
 
You are all sorely mistaken if you think there is only one fanboy in this thread...

You had to know where this conversation would go considering the fact that you left Microsoft out of this "Profits are down" "Will they go outof business?" discussion while you all bring up how cocky Sony is about they're console... true or not.

I digress.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure there was a Microsoft thread made last week when the news first hit about them laying workers off.

So it's not because I left them out due to some sort of favoritism/bias/hate.

I made this thread about Sony's losses today because the news came out... today. About Sony.

I'm a Sony supporter... check that, I USED to be a huge Sony supporter.

But the facts are facts. And right now, the fact is Sony is losing money mainly b/c of their electronics and games.
 
With the way the economy is going, tell me a company that not loosing money
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...Sony aint gonna fold tho, just like any major business theregonna be layoff and cutbacks
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Originally Posted by SHUGES

Actually, I'm pretty sure there was a Microsoft thread made last week when the news first hit about them laying workers off.
So it's not because I left them out due to some sort of favoritism/bias/hate.
I made this thread about Sony's losses today because the news came out... today. About Sony.
I'm a Sony supporter... check that, I USED to be a huge Sony supporter.
But the facts are facts. And right now, the fact is Sony is losing money mainly b/c of their electronics and games.
thats the thing though, theyre not losing money, theyre recording profits across a majority of their divisions, just not what the kind of profitsthat they would like which makes sense cause we're in a global recession
 
They are going to be fine. I'm sure they have lots of cash assets. A bad quarter in over 10 years isn't bad. Even if they struggle for the next 5quarters they'll still be fine. It's better than MSFT pushing all their money in Windows 7. They need to release that quick because they are losingmore money per quarter with their Vista bomb and the fact that they had to cut the cost of XP by half due to the netbook market.
 
All I care is that Final Fantasy XIII and Versus drop. Then Sony can implode for all I care.

Oh and maybe Killzone 2, and COD:MW2
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Sony is not going under after one bad year..please..

Sony is still one of the best brands out there..
 
Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

thats the thing though, theyre not losing money, theyre recording profits across a majority of their divisions, just not what the kind of profits that they would like which makes sense cause we're in a global recession
And I totally understand that.
But if you're not making what you're accustomed to making, can it not be argued that you're losing?

Hasn't it been said that Sony stood to lose money on every single PS3 made? And this was before the economic downturn.
 
Originally Posted by SHUGES

Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

thats the thing though, theyre not losing money, theyre recording profits across a majority of their divisions, just not what the kind of profits that they would like which makes sense cause we're in a global recession
Hasn't it been said that Sony stood to lose money on every single PS3 made? And this was before the economic downturn.
yeah but that was when it first came out which was fine cause the ps2's been makin a ton of profits over the last couple of years, mostanalysts are estimating that every ps3 now costs about $450 to make so there's a $50 loss on every ps3 sold, but those losses are more than made up forthanks to the ps2 and psp, im no expert but someone asked to me guess how much it costs to make a ps2 - id say 20 dollars

if sony is really taking any hits, its not because of SCE (sony computer entertainment) which the ps3 falls under, its most likely due to whatever theirhardware division is that makes tv,dvd players, blu-ray players, music players - but thats IF theyre taking any hits
 
Originally Posted by SHUGES


And I totally understand that.
But if you're not making what you're accustomed to making, can it not be argued that you're losing?

Hasn't it been said that Sony stood to lose money on every single PS3 made? And this was before the economic downturn.
No. When they're blatantly in the negative and losing on all of their product then you can say they're losing. But profits whether 95% or5% are still profits. Keep in mind we're referring to ONE division of Sony. Sony was around before the PlayStation was and its not its only cashcow.

And like I said before, they knew they'd lose on the PS3. No multi-billion dollar company is going to put themselves out of business willingly. There areprofits to be made regardless of what one branch of their company does in 1 quarter.
 
i remember reading an article in a marketing class that I took saying companies like Sony and Microsoft don't really make their money from the systems,they make it from the game purchases. I think it mentioned something about companies taking Ls on selling the systems but the games would make up for it too. ITHINK.....
 
Originally Posted by ArsnalJ23

Originally Posted by SHUGES


And I totally understand that.
But if you're not making what you're accustomed to making, can it not be argued that you're losing?

Hasn't it been said that Sony stood to lose money on every single PS3 made? And this was before the economic downturn.
No. When they're blatantly in the negative and losing on all of their product then you can say they're losing. But profits whether 95% or 5% are still profits. Keep in mind we're referring to ONE division of Sony. Sony was around before the PlayStation was and its not its only cashcow.

And like I said before, they knew they'd lose on the PS3. No multi-billion dollar company is going to put themselves out of business willingly. There are profits to be made regardless of what one branch of their company does in 1 quarter.

Fair enough.

I just look at it like this: If I was selling a cookie to 10 ppl for 12 straight months... and then you came on the block and was selling cookies too...cutting into my sales and making me only sell 6 cookies now... All I know is that I'd say I'm losing money. I don't care how much lemonade I wasselling to offset the cookie losses.
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Or even if no one else came on to the block... And my sales just dropped from 10 ppl to 7 ppl due to a poor economy, I'd be pissed and still say thatI'm "losing" money.
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But that's just me.

Not sure if you understand what I'm saying... But I DO understand what you're saying and that they are still "making" money.
 
^^^ I understand what you're saying and it makes perfectly good sense, but thats losing profits, not money the way we'd collectively read it. When yousay money, people take it out of context and assume you mean the company is recording ACTUAL losses, which in this case is false. Besides, when you bring thesuccess/failure of the business into it, that train of thought (the example you used) doesn't hold up anymore considering the circumstances, ie. the kindof company Sony is, what their spectrum of products are, where their profits come from, the economy and how its hurting ALL companies in the same genres, etc.

Edit: To simplify it for everyone, a decrease in profits is not a loss capable of bringing a company to its knees unless their cost of production is greaterthan the profits they see at the end of the day. So what I'm basically saying is the author of the article is misleading you.
 
Maybe this will wake their @+* up... PS1 was king, PS2 was eh, PS3 could be WAY better... The games are starting to come finally...

Why can't they make every system BC with PS2? Why aren't there more classic PS1 games on the store? These two things just baffle me... They could bemaking way more money than they are...
 
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