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The world was different back in the day. If you know someone who's high up more than likely they're older. I know people who are high up at prominent places with just bachelors/no degrees whereas nowadays you can't even get into a lot of places without a bachelors and 20 years from now a masters will be the floor requirement.

It's become a measure of competency, commitment, and easy way to weed out applicants. You can be a perfect fit for something but if you don't have a bachelors from a school that they think is good, some places won't even look at you.
 
This is true, I was watching Undercover Boss and their new COO, rose through the ranks without a degree.
 
kat cole, president and coo of cinnabon 

started at hooters as a waitress, became a corporate trainer, and eventually became their vp of training and development by 26...

moved over to cinnabon

has an mba but no undergrad degree
 
Keko Jones said:
Serious question. Why a college degree important? It shows commitment? It measures the ability of an individual to learn?

There's always exceptions of course but for example .. I know a senior person in Golfstream that never been to college and he knows more than a person that graduate with honors. I don't mean general knowledge but technical application and the job at hand.

I know another in Mass Mutual in a similar situation where he is making HR decisions on recent graduates.

These dudes can't tell you the difference between Aristotle and Plato, but can run circles on what matters.
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I have a degree but I too have always wondered this.

Literally every job I've had since graduating could have been done efficiently without a degree.

I think having an education shows hiring managers that you have a set of broad characteristics that sort of reflect that you can operate in the real world:

you can follow directions

are able to read and write effectively

meet deadlines/be on time, punctual

interact with a diverse population

speak publicly

are able to operate e-mail, ms office, modern technology, etc

.....I'm probably missing obvious ones, but you get the idea

Of course if you already have experience in a similar field that you're trying to get into, a lot of this stuff is moot (unless of course college is a mandatory requirement).

Also, some employer's use degrees as a filtering tool. If you don't have one it's easy to eliminate you from consideration.

A lot of these agencies today won't even look at your application and/or resume because they have technology that sifts through keywords like *bachelor, masters, finance, physician, sales...etc.

Then you are SOL from the jump.
 
krazy88s said:
Job recruiters can be lazy sometimes I guess.
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No, they're lazy all the time.

NazDrowie said:
kat cole, president and coo of cinnabon 

started at hooters as a waitress, became a corporate trainer, and eventually became their vp of training and development by 26...

moved over to cinnabon

has an mba but no undergrad degree
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Shawnon Bellah (Would Raven hire her?) is the COO I mentioned, she doesn't have a degree but got a COO position based off of her exp.

GetBack said:
Keko Jones said:
Serious question. Why a college degree important? It shows commitment? It measures the ability of an individual to learn?


There's always exceptions of course but for example .. I know a senior person in Golfstream that never been to college and he knows more than a person that graduate with honors. I don't mean general knowledge but technical application and the job at hand.


I know another in Mass Mutual in a similar situation where he is making HR decisions on recent graduates.


These dudes can't tell you the difference between Aristotle and Plato, but can run circles on what matters.
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I have a degree but I too have always wondered this.

Literally every job I've had since graduating could have been done efficiently without a degree.

I think having an education shows hiring managers that you have a set of broad characteristics that sort of reflect that you can operate in the real world:

you can follow directions
are able to read and write effectively
meet deadlines/be on time, punctual
interact with a diverse population
speak publicly
are able to operate e-mail, ms office, modern technology, etc
.....I'm probably missing obvious ones, but you get the idea

Of course if you already have experience in a similar field that you're trying to get into, a lot of this stuff is moot (unless of course college is a mandatory requirement).

Also, some employer's use degrees as a filtering tool. If you don't have one it's easy to eliminate you from consideration.

A lot of these agencies today won't even look at your application and/or resume because they have technology that sifts through keywords like *bachelor, masters, finance, physician, sales...etc.
Then you are SOL from the jump.
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This is the main reason right here. The same w/ those tedious assessments for jobs, GRE, LSAT, etc.
 
Dathbgboy said:
No, they're lazy all the time.
Shawnon Bellah (Would Raven hire her?) is the COO I mentioned, she doesn't have a degree but got a COO position based off of her exp.
This is the main reason right here. The same w/ those tedious assessments for jobs, GRE, LSAT, etc.
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Guess people should wise up and take a class and put estimate time for bachelor degree xx/xXxX lol
 
Generally speaking, I think degrees are useless. They are used to filter people out of the application process.
I think college puts you in an environment to build communication skills, but even the smartest students can go a bulk of their college career without real human interaction.

Your ability to pass scantrons, memorize theories and write essays does not reflect how good of an employee you can be.

The only employer that ever asked for my diploma was a social working gig. And they only needed verification because they were funded by the state and had to play by their rules. Didn't mean anything in the grand-scheme of things.
 
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Got to agree wholeheartedly with you. Part of the reason I'm hesitant on going back to schoo. I felt like it was more of an how much can you remember in a week theory than I'm bettering myself.
 
My dude needs a class to graduate with a BA. He just enrolled in a Personal Finance class that goes from Jan 4 to Jan 22 online (accelerated course) .. what a joke.
 
The fact that it's such a major gatekeeper for getting a job makes a degree far from worthless.
 
I don't think a degree is worthless. But now that I think of it, I've never heard of an employer asking for proof you graduated with such and such degree. Could someone just lie about their experiences?
 
krazy88s said:
 
I don't think a degree is worthless. But now that I think of it, I've never heard of an employer asking for proof you graduated with such and such degree. Could someone just lie about their experiences?
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Professor I had, once told us about a guy he knew who became vice pres of a pretty big company without having one. Dude was terrified though of someone finding out that he lied.
 
krazy88s said:
I don't think a degree is worthless. But now that I think of it, I've never heard of an employer asking for proof you graduated with such and such degree. Could someone just lie about their experiences?
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Yes, because in essence, it's a filtering tool. As long as you have the skills to cast a shadow over your deception and the company doesn't do their due diligence in following up on it (which most don't unless they have a reason to) you'll be as secure as you can be w/ lying about it.

Look at the cases where you have some real life Mike Ross's who've help executive position all while lying about their education, and that's just the ones who've been ousted :lol:

I believe some even forage transcripts to keep the lie going.
 
krazy88s said:
I don't think a degree is worthless. But now that I think of it, I've never heard of an employer asking for proof you graduated with such and such degree. Could someone just lie about their experiences?
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depends on the company but it's won't be hard for a company to find out if they tried.
 
^^^^^^ THIS!  I have gotten a few jobs where the degree is "required" but no actual proof was shown. I could just say I graduated from said university with said degree..

However having a bachelors myself I think I have grown more socially than academically ( and happy to have one because it is and actual gatekeeper in case they ever asked for proof). 
 
Guess I'm just unlucky cause I've had to provide proof many a time with my last instance I had to provide them an official transcript, as well as a scanned copy of my degree.
 
Funny this came up company I just interviewed for is asking for copies of my degrees. I think I goofed by putting bachelors as the highest bc I just graduated last month & haven't received my degree in the mail yet. Gonna try & shoot them my transcripts tomorrow. Hopefully everything goes smooth.
 
gamble said:
Funny this came up company I just interviewed for is asking for copies of my degrees. I think I goofed by putting bachelors as the highest bc I just graduated last month & haven't received my degree in the mail yet. Gonna try & shoot them my transcripts tomorrow. Hopefully everything goes smooth.
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You can ask the registrar's office for a letter confirming that you've completed the program if your transcript doesn't show you've earned the degree. You don't need to wait for the actual degree to arrive to say that you've earned it.
 
^^ solid advice I was just gonna contact them & see if proof of enrollment was good enough. I'll call the registrar in the am. Good looks my dude repped.
 
The company my dude interviewed for that wanted copies of his old paystub undercut him on the offer :lol:. I told him counter but its a contract engineering position and they said the budget is tight. They dont even want to offer him a per diem.

What would you advise him to do?
 
PolosandDunks said:
The company my dude interviewed for that wanted copies of his old paystub undercut him on the offer :lol:. I told him counter but its a contract engineering position and they said the budget is tight. They dont even want to offer him a per diem.

What would you advise him to do?
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Where they do that at? :x

I'm at a point now where I'm getting comfortable at my current gig and I don't like being comfortable because I start to get complacent and settle. Job is coo but doesn't really pay the bills w/o any left over for savings. Been trying to find a decent p/t gig but they want you available for f/t hours and pay min wage. Been looking at Web Dev or Project Manager positions but they want a lot of exp, can't move since I don't have the scratch. Feel like there's all these powers doing their best to keep pinned down and stressed. But then I remember the speech in Rocky Balboa and get up and start swingin again.

I know my situation aint as bad as others, but it still is *****. Keep your heads up brohams.
 
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