Jobless and Frustrated NTers check in VOL. WE NOT-WORKIN!!!

keko jones keko jones it depends on your field. According to Glassdoor, the avg PM salary is $96k

I don't think that Six Sigma and PM is interchangeable. Agile and Scrum Masters, yes, but not Six Sigma; not to say that having a SS cert is a bad thing because some companies want that over a PMP
 
Keko Jones said:
How much can you earn as a PM with a PMP Certificate?

One of my relatives was in the military and recently retired, dude was telling me about his desire to become a PM.

He said he had Lean Six Sigma (Black) but can't sit for the PMP test ...

I'm trying to argue with him the in many cases some employers see 6 Sigma black belt the same as a PMP. Furthermore, I told his ***, that just on the fact that he was in the military for 20 years and logistics for that was more than enough time for him to be able to sit for the PMP. However, that's just my assumption ... would he have enough time for that PMP test?
Click to expand...

Yeah he's not thinking straight. Do like everyone else who got a pmp does, count every single project hour since birth. Enroll in a local cc project management course to meet the education requirements. He sounds way too negative and scared though, if he's searched job sites for six Sigma he'd see he's more than good.

Pmp is 6 figures easy if he's in the DC area with his background, especially if his clearance is current. Most government contractors will easily pay for Pmp certification and training over the clearance process.
 
Last edited:
dathbgboy dathbgboy I only have the PMBOK 5th Edition right now. My plan is to basically scan through it then use Rita's book for actual studying/note taking. Check this link out for a breakdown of your options: http://pmexamlessonslearned.com/pmp...st-vs-andy-crowe-vs-kim-heldman/#.VqAHbHNOnqA

keko jones keko jones PMI publishes an annual salary survey. Check it out: http://www.pmi.org/learning/project-management-salary-survey.aspx

I'd pursue PMP before Lean Six Sigma but you can't go wrong with either. I think Booz Allen is big on LSS. But go on Indeed and I'm sure you'll get many more hits with PMP than LSS.

I'm sure his military experience can qualify him to sit. I wouldnt bet on getting a PM gig based soley on the PMP. Unless the project is focused on logistics. Experience is crucial for PM. Maybe he could swing a Deputy PM role initially then advance. Tell him to definitely go for a Govt job. Veterans preference is VERY real.
 
Last edited:
s0leFUNK said:
dathbgboy dathbgboy I only have the PMBOK 5th Edition right now. My plan is to basically scan through it then use Rita's book for actual studying/note taking. Check this link out for a breakdown of your options: http://pmexamlessonslearned.com/pmp...st-vs-andy-crowe-vs-kim-heldman/#.VqAHbHNOnqA

keko jones keko jones PMI publishes an annual salary survey. Check it out: http://www.pmi.org/learning/project-management-salary-survey.aspx

I'd pursue PMP before Lean Six Sigma but you can't go wrong with either. I think Booz Allen is big on LSS. But go on Indeed and I'm sure you'll get many more hits with PMP than LSS.

I'm sure his military experience can qualify him to sit. I wouldnt bet on getting a PM gig based soley on the PMP. Unless the project is focused on logistics. Experience is crucial for PM. Maybe he could swing a Deputy PM role initially then advance. Tell him to definitely go for a Govt job. Veterans preference is VERY real.
Click to expand...

I have the 5th edition PMBOK in pdf format and this book

700


It was pretty good for me and was clear cut. I've seen the Rita book but couldn't afford it when I bought the book above and was anxious.
 
Dathbgboy said:
@Keko Jones it depends on your field. According to Glassdoor, the avg PM salary is $96k

I don't think that Six Sigma and PM is interchangeable. Agile and Scrum Masters, yes, but not Six Sigma; not to say that having a SS cert is a bad thing because some companies want that over a PMP
Click to expand...
Mark Antony said:
Yeah he's not thinking straight. Do like everyone else who got a pmp does, count every single project hour since birth. Enroll in a local cc project management course to meet the education requirements. He sounds way too negative and scared though, if he's searched job sites for six Sigma he'd see he's more than good.

Pmp is 6 figures easy if he's in the DC area with his background, especially if his clearance is current. Most government contractors will easily pay for Pmp certification and training over the clearance process.
Click to expand...
s0leFUNK said:
@Dathbgboy I only have the PMBOK 5th Edition right now. My plan is to basically scan through it then use Rita's book for actual studying/note taking. Check this link out for a breakdown of your options: http://pmexamlessonslearned.com/pmp...st-vs-andy-crowe-vs-kim-heldman/#.VqAHbHNOnqA

@Keko Jones PMI publishes an annual salary survey. Check it out: http://www.pmi.org/learning/project-management-salary-survey.aspx

I'd pursue PMP before Lean Six Sigma but you can't go wrong with either. I think Booz Allen is big on LSS. But go on Indeed and I'm sure you'll get many more hits with PMP than LSS.

I'm sure his military experience can qualify him to sit. I wouldnt bet on getting a PM gig based soley on the PMP. Unless the project is focused on logistics. Experience is crucial for PM. Maybe he could swing a Deputy PM role initially then advance. Tell him to definitely go for a Govt job. Veterans preference is VERY real.
Click to expand...
Thanks for the input guys! I'm going to show him you guys replies.

I believe being in the military for 20 years and that's all his known, he might be scared that he is not up to par with the civilian sector. I want him to be reminded some employers look for veteran with leadership experience and that he shouldn't sell himself short. He has actually talked about moving to the DMV because of all the goverment opportunities, but he would get paid more in the private sector.

I believe in him, to bad he still in the military mind frame ....

If he does get PMP and he is already a LSS black belt, I just don't see how he can't land a job making well over 150k in the northeast! Hell with either LSS or PMP, I believe he can get a great job giving his military background. He told me he has moved entire organizations 2k people with equipment from location to location, has had 200 individuals (direct report) under him at times, has managed 150 million of assets and budgets, has implemented policies and procedures, and the list goes on.  Why is he scared?

I be knocking on Amazon tomorrow if I was him! 
 
Mark Antony said:
He needs to stop being a *****, he's more ahead than he realizes, possibly Sr management.
Click to expand...

This, I'd love to have his experience:lol:


EDIT: Question for you fellas, I've just did some reading about whether the CAPM was worth it or not (not as respected as the PMP, costly for it's low rep) they also mentioned that along w/ the cons I already mentioned, there have been some negative views on PMI's standards as of late since they still focus on the Waterfall Method instead of Agile/Scrum. Then I got to looking into Scrum Master certs through Scrum Alliance and thought that might be an alternative until I could sit for the PMP. What do yall think?
 
Last edited:
tdoggy57 said:
Started my current job with them. But i didnt actually go through the temp service to get the job and all. Thats just the service my company uses.

What kinda info you looking for?
Click to expand...

They hit me up for a company trying to do an interview with me. Just wanted to see as I have heard great things. Didn't know if they run things smooth or not
 
PolosandDunks said:
They hit me up for a company trying to do an interview with me. Just wanted to see as I have heard great things. Didn't know if they run things smooth or not
Click to expand...

Through my experience everything was cool. They took thei rep out of the office at my site within the last year so now they have a guy from Philly that handles everything and he only visits like once a week and ive heard hes hard to get ahold of if you need help. Im sure thats highly dependent on area. Get in that company permanently asap though.

They did screw my boy when we got hired full time though. You have to work a cerain amount of hours in the year to get a bonus. Well he worked the hours and we got hired in like September of that year. So we only got like a quarter of the bonus from hour company, but he shouldve got the full Kelly bonus. Since he didnt get a paycheck from Kelly in December of that year, they stiffed him with no bonus.
 
Update: Taking the job my college friend plugged me with. It's a travel and I'm probably gonna have to get a car. But I'm being optimistic about the new situuation as a whole. I start February 1. Gonna prepare and relish the last fews days before getting back to work.
 
Dathbgboy said:
EDIT: Question for you fellas, I've just did some reading about whether the CAPM was worth it or not (not as respected as the PMP, costly for it's low rep) they also mentioned that along w/ the cons I already mentioned, there have been some negative views on PMI's standards as of late since they still focus on the Waterfall Method instead of Agile/Scrum. Then I got to looking into Scrum Master certs through Scrum Alliance and thought that might be an alternative until I could sit for the PMP. What do yall think?
Click to expand...
I was thinking taking the CAPM exam after I completed my PM course in college but changed my mind since I didnt see it listed as a requirement on the vast majority of PM job listings. It's still better than nothing but none of the PMs (IT) on my team ever bothered with it. 

The Scrum master exam is actually very easy. You're required to take an accredited/approved course in order to take the exam though. You should check to see if your org can pay for that class. I believe it's only 1-2 days long. One of my peers, who is the SM on our scrum project, just got his last month.

PMI standards still apply for waterfall; waterfall is not going anywhere and will continue to be used. The standards, though, focus too much on theory than practice.
 
Received a conditional offer today, after holding down my college gig for 2.5 years while I finished school I am relieved. Not all the way in there yet still have to pass a background check & lowkey nervous bc of a bogus resisting w/o violence charge on my record. Either way I am grateful. Been looking for a new gig for a year and started off the process with my resume and interviewing skills in shambles. With every rejection I had time to go back to the lab & improve myself. Wish me luck on this last part bruhs.
 
MisterTwoThree said:
Update: Taking the job my college friend plugged me with. It's a travel and I'm probably gonna have to get a car. But I'm being optimistic about the new situuation as a whole. I start February 1. Gonna prepare and relish the last fews days before getting back to work.
Click to expand...


gamble said:
Received a conditional offer today, after holding down my college gig for 2.5 years while I finished school I am relieved. Not all the way in there yet still have to pass a background check & lowkey nervous bc of a bogus resisting w/o violence charge on my record. Either way I am grateful. Been looking for a new gig for a year and started off the process with my resume and interviewing skills in shambles. With every rejection I had time to go back to the lab & improve myself. Wish me luck on this last part bruhs.
Click to expand...
congratulations to you both.
 
unkn0wn said:
Dathbgboy said:
EDIT: Question for you fellas, I've just did some reading about whether the CAPM was worth it or not (not as respected as the PMP, costly for it's low rep) they also mentioned that along w/ the cons I already mentioned, there have been some negative views on PMI's standards as of late since they still focus on the Waterfall Method instead of Agile/Scrum. Then I got to looking into Scrum Master certs through Scrum Alliance and thought that might be an alternative until I could sit for the PMP. What do yall think?
Click to expand...
I was thinking taking the CAPM exam after I completed my PM course in college but changed my mind since I didnt see it listed as a requirement on the vast majority of PM job listings. It's still better than nothing but none of the PMs (IT) on my team ever bothered with it. 

The Scrum master exam is actually very easy. You're required to take an accredited/approved course in order to take the exam though. You should check to see if your org can pay for that class. I believe it's only 1-2 days long. One of my peers, who is the SM on our scrum project, just got his last month.

PMI standards still apply for waterfall; waterfall is not going anywhere and will continue to be used. The standards, though, focus too much on theory than practice.
Click to expand...

I've noticed that as well. And I wouldn't expect Waterfall to go anywhere, just think that it's impractical for IT projects, which is what I'm aiming for.

I'm just trying to get my foot in the door somewhere, hell, I'd take this PM course on Coursera if I knew it'd help me out. :lol:

But after reading everybody's response, it seems like the CAPM is a waste of time and money :lol:
 
Dathbgboy said:
I've noticed that as well. And I wouldn't expect Waterfall to go anywhere, just think that it's impractical for IT projects, which is what I'm aiming for.

I'm just trying to get my foot in the door somewhere, hell, I'd take this PM course on Coursera if I knew it'd help me out.
laugh.gif


But after reading everybody's response, it seems like the CAPM is a waste of time and money
laugh.gif
Click to expand...
It's not impractical. Each methodology has its ups and downs. Waterfall allows you to do a lot of planning with documentation if you need a very rigid system with processes or technology that isn't well understood. Many IT projects in my org have to fall under waterfall simply because we roll out in monthly releases. You can't leverage agile when you dont have the flexibility to choose when to move code from environment to environment. This is simply the case for SAP projects. Changes to production requires you to fall under specific monthly dates to minimize the negative impact to our systems and to ensure support is available should that happen.

Other than scrum, waterfall is the most common used methodology at the last two organizations I've worked at. I'd imagine it's less common in smaller orgs though.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Thread Gallery

View Full Gallery

The ultimate sneaker enthusiast community.

NikeTalk was created as a way of giving back to both the sneaker enthusiast community and to the greater global community of which we are all a part.

NikeTalk is NOT affiliated with Nike Inc. in any way, shape, or form. All opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of Nike, Inc.

© 1999-2024 NikeTalk.com

Share this page

Back
Top Bottom