Air Jordan 25th Anniversary

i just want to say thank you to William Rivera for giving us great info even though there are alot of immature haters on here!!Keep the info coming there arepeople who look forward to your tips!!!
 
Originally Posted by GreatestGoliath

William, William....... the Air Jordan Silver, as they where called was discussed during the Jordan Spring Meeting, amongst other possible releases that I'm not discussing for the constant assault I get for it. I mean really why doubt Rock..... Be Nice to the Hand that Feeds William
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Did I not retire you?
2 make things fair in JB forum lets make an official "I heard" thread. aka "rumors confirmed"
I'm tired of NT being studied by corporate. The more "we" stated what "we" did not like, the more they fed us that
 
my last question is 2 all administrators of this site. What would it take for you 2 cop a newly produced retro?
I'm beyond fringe at this point, and I acknowledge that. Jordan brand simply doesn't produce sneakers for me anymore - they'd muchrather pluck the low-hanging fruit than attempt to satisfy consumers who expect the very best from them.

The Space Jam XIs are apparently due out this winter and I, for one, have no plans to buy them - even if they are absolutely identical to those released in2000. Why, you might ask? For starters, I have absolutely no need for them. I still have a pair in perfect, DScondition and another pair I've worn perhaps twice. I need a brand new pair of Space Jams like I need a sixth toe on either foot.

With a retro, I would normally demand a true, respectful replica of the originals, so true Jordan fans can ownand enjoy products that live up to those that captured their hearts and gained their loyalty. It has always struck me as spiteful, if not lazy, tointentionally cut corners and produce shoes that are misshaped, inaccurate, and simply inferior to those produced decades ago.

I can set the bar that high (or that low, really, considering it ought to be terribly easy for the brand to produce SUPERIOR products given that productiontechniques and efficiency have only improved in the intervening decades and retros require no R&D or even advertising funds to launch, which means theycould, and should, afford to spend more on the product itself) because, as a collector, I'm content with what I have. I could refrain from purchasing asingle pair of shoes from this point forward and, save for a fire or similar catastrophe, I'd go without want for another pair of shoes. I have too manyshoes as it is, so there's precious little motivation for someone like me to purchase products that I'm ambivalent or even conflicted about. If aproduct doesn't blow me away in some regard, I'd rather simply wear shoes I already own. One would be hard pressed to prove to me that Jordan brandshoes in particular are any better than sneakers I already own, most of them from the Jordan brand in its heyday.

Beyond that, as I've grown up I've begun to demand more of myself and this, in turn, affects the products that I choose to purchase. As if Iweren't already seated firmly within the minority, for ethical and environmental reasons I no longer purchase items made with animals products - whether asandwich, a soap, a car, or a sneaker. It was gratifying to see that the Air Jordan XX3 was produced using "considered" standards, even if watereddown in comparison to other, more progressive products in the considered line. I was hoping the 2k9 would take a step forward in that regard, yet it proved anajbect disappointment in every conceivable area. I will say that I have purchased the nylon Air Jordan 1s for this reason. They're truer to the cut ofthe original 1s (more of a high than the 2001 retros, at least), which almost makes up for the superfluous jumpmen tacked on to the shoe due to pitiful brandinsecurity.

If you want to sell me a retro, the formula is straightforward: I'm either looking for an exact replica of a classic, perfectly executed (though replacinggenuine leather with high quality synthetics, which retain their shape better than genuine leather), or a new colorway that separates itself in some way fromwhat I already have stacks and stacks of in my collection, yet is executed in accordance with the class, sophistication, and elegance the line ONCE exuded. Igrew up wearing Air Jordans - and I say that in the past tense. I'm not 11 years old anymore. I'm not buying a shoe designed to match a breakfastcereal principally composed of marshmallows.

The CDPs were not good enough, and most every collector I know who's been into sneakers since the 80s has steered clear of them entirely, as I have. Theshoes were flat out garbage and rightly deserved to stagnate on store shelves. In 2007, I was given a pair of Black/Aqua Jordan VIIIs by a good friend andpurchased the Black/Red VIIIs at a discount solely because of Rajah's amazing 8th anniversary NikeTalk t-shirt. I skipped retros in 2008 entirely. In2009, I purchased the black/max orange and sapphire Air Jordan 1s. While a compromise, they were a step in the right direction - more accurate than the 2001pairs - and I wanted to support, with my consumer dollars - sneakers with an all nylon upper instead of leather.


A word about Rock, by the way: Rock does not work for Nike. I really don't see how he has a vested interest in sharing this information with his fellowcommunity members. He's a stand-up guy and I think the last thing we should do is PENALIZE him for risking his relationship with his contacts for ourbenefit. There are, undoubtedly, those who exploit and attempt to subvert NikeTalk to further their own narrow, selfish corporate agendas. I don't seethis as a market research attempt, to determine how people might react to the possibility of a Tinker-designed product. Instead, I see this in the same veinas the types of posts that established NikeTalk as the premier destination for sneaker news. One of our fellow members came across information of interest tothe community and took the time to share it with us. For that, I thank him.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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Originally Posted by William Rivera 3

Originally Posted by BP the owner

_, my opinion on JB has been voiced plenty of times, i'm not going to get caught up in all this stuff. i was just interested in how you said NT is anti-factual and things are artificial if there is no substance behind them, but then you pulled an empty "statistic" out of nowhere just a few sentences after...thats all...
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Oh so you're good then. You have voiced your opinion 2 the point where you're good, and fufilled now. I'll continue 2 get voice mine as I set necessary. This is a blog site is it not?

My "empty statistic" is so obvious... Dare someone argue?
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Originally Posted by RockDeep

FYI...
I didn't ask or care.
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Then why start a thread?
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Originally Posted by AIR 305

Will it be better than the holygrail year of 2001??
http://www.air-jordans.com/xtra/2001/
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in quality, yes. By far
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You really like me dont you? I am on Twitter and Facebook if you want to follow my every move. Feel free.

I have very close friends at Jordan and Nike.. however our discussions don't involve shoes everytime we speak NOR do I hound or hassle them for info. Ifyou don't like my posts. Dont open them Sambo.

Carry on kind sir. You add nothing to the Forum. Sort of like Bad Constipation.. I know you are there, but nothing useful ever comes out.
 
I swear Meth hits it on the head every time.

I don't know why homie has it out for you Rock.

It seems to be a never ending cycle. These youngins still don't get it. But let him live.......
 
Cmoney.. I noticed I can post in the Other Brands forum for Payless shoes, and he will pop up.... Its all good. I'll just consider him a fan. I can add himto the list. My kids.. and William Rivera
 
Originally Posted by Cement Greyman

I don't think I can invest as much into the 25th Air Jordan as I did the XX3....even with Tinker in the mix. I just know they are gonna pull more
"premier" BS on these and I just don't have the energy for that after last year. I'm not jumping through hoops anymore. I'm done.
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Originally Posted by Method Man

Yo Meth, if you got off on the 23rd stop and the 25th anniversary shoe turn out pretty nice, you will go back to 2009.
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Not a chance. I'm not buying an ugly, overpriced sneaker for the sake of continuity in a meaningless collection. The shoes I do own,
I've purchased because I actually like them.




My point is that the Jordan line no longer holds any special meaning for me. Growing up, we all eagerly anticipated the new Air Jordan. It was, with precious
few exceptions, the shoe to own that year.




Those days are over. Now, it's just one of 3,000 releases from nike/jordan, it has to contend with half the Jordan back catalog via retros, there's no
real build-up of anticipation prior to the release, and seeing Chris Paul, Ray Allen, and Joe Johnson wearing them in the All Star game is anti-climactic.




It's no longer the industry's flagship product - it's just another shoe and as much as I appreciate the 23 from an aesthetic standpoint and approve
of its efforts, however halfhearted, to incorporate environmentally sustainable materials and construction, I've grown sick of what the line has become.
It's no longer the best basketball shoe money can buy. It's difficult to consider the product sophisticated in terms of styling cues when they all
feature white plastic with an irridescent, rainbow sheen, they're obsessed with exploiting artificial scarcity (titaniums, etc.) to try and hustle up fake
hype, and the products are, by and large, backward-looking rather than forward thinking - bent on recreating past glories rather than taking the basketball
shoe, functionally and aesthetically, to the next level.




I just don't foresee this shoe bringing anything to the table that I, as an Air Jordan fan since the pre-championship Bulls days, give a damn about.




If you create a great looking, sophisticated, innovative, high performance basketball shoe that's ethical and responsible in its materials and production
methods - I'll buy it. I don't care who makes it. I don't care what the name of it is. My confidence in Jordan brand's ability to create
such a shoe, though, is at an all time low. So, the fact that Tinker may co-design an Air Jordan XXV hasn't exactly rendered me giddy with anticipation.
To me, the line is effectively over until otherwise proven.




My collection feels quite complete without the 2009, thanks, and I have no intention of buying a XXV just because Tinker's involved. If they handcuff him
the way they handcuffed Jason Mayden, there's no way the next model will be anything but a disappointment, relegated to the shadows beneath a steaming pile
of rehashed and remixed retros.
 
Originally Posted by RockDeep

Cmoney.. I noticed I can post in the Other Brands forum for Payless shoes, and he will pop up.... Its all good. I'll just consider him a fan. I can add him to the list. My kids.. and William Rivera
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Originally Posted by Method Man

my last question is 2 all administrators of this site. What would it take for you 2 cop a newly produced retro?
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I'm beyond fringe at this point, and I acknowledge that. Jordan brand simply doesn't produce sneakers for me anymore - they'd much rather pluck the low-hanging fruit than attempt to satisfy consumers who expect the very best from them.

The Space Jam XIs are apparently due out this winter and I, for one, have no plans to buy them - even if they are absolutely identical to those released in 2000. Why, you might ask? For starters, I have absolutely no need for them. I still have a pair in perfect, DS condition and another pair I've worn perhaps twice. I need a brand new pair of Space Jams like I need a sixth toe on either foot.

With a retro, I would normally demand a true, respectful replica of the originals, so true Jordan fans can own and enjoy products that live up to those that captured their hearts and gained their loyalty. It has always struck me as spiteful, if not lazy, to intentionally cut corners and produce shoes that are misshaped, inaccurate, and simply inferior to those produced decades ago.

I can set the bar that high (or that low, really, considering it ought to be terribly easy for the brand to produce SUPERIOR products given that production techniques and efficiency have only improved in the intervening decades and retros require no R&D or even advertising funds to launch, which means they could, and should, afford to spend more on the product itself) because, as a collector, I'm content with what I have. I could refrain from purchasing a single pair of shoes from this point forward and, save for a fire or similar catastrophe, I'd go without want for another pair of shoes. I have too many shoes as it is, so there's precious little motivation for someone like me to purchase products that I'm ambivalent or even conflicted about. If a product doesn't blow me away in some regard, I'd rather simply wear shoes I already own. One would be hard pressed to prove to me that Jordan brand shoes in particular are any better than sneakers I already own, most of them from the Jordan brand in its heyday.

Beyond that, as I've grown up I've begun to demand more of myself and this, in turn, affects the products that I choose to purchase. As if I weren't already seated firmly within the minority, for ethical and environmental reasons I no longer purchase items made with animals products - whether a sandwich, a soap, a car, or a sneaker. It was gratifying to see that the Air Jordan XX3 was produced using "considered" standards, even if watered down in comparison to other, more progressive products in the considered line. I was hoping the 2k9 would take a step forward in that regard, yet it proved an ajbect disappointment in every conceivable area. I will say that I have purchased the nylon Air Jordan 1s for this reason. They're truer to the cut of the original 1s (more of a high than the 2001 retros, at least), which almost makes up for the superfluous jumpmen tacked on to the shoe due to pitiful brand insecurity.

If you want to sell me a retro, the formula is straightforward: I'm either looking for an exact replica of a classic, perfectly executed (though replacing genuine leather with high quality synthetics, which retain their shape better than genuine leather), or a new colorway that separates itself in some way from what I already have stacks and stacks of in my collection, yet is executed in accordance with the class, sophistication, and elegance the line ONCE exuded. I grew up wearing Air Jordans - and I say that in the past tense. I'm not 11 years old anymore. I'm not buying a shoe designed to match a breakfast cereal principally composed of marshmallows.

The CDPs were not good enough, and most every collector I know who's been into sneakers since the 80s has steered clear of them entirely, as I have. The shoes were flat out garbage and rightly deserved to stagnate on store shelves. In 2007, I was given a pair of Black/Aqua Jordan VIIIs by a good friend and purchased the Black/Red VIIIs at a discount solely because of Rajah's amazing 8th anniversary NikeTalk t-shirt. I skipped retros in 2008 entirely. In 2009, I purchased the black/max orange and sapphire Air Jordan 1s. While a compromise, they were a step in the right direction - more accurate than the 2001 pairs - and I wanted to support, with my consumer dollars - sneakers with an all nylon upper instead of leather.


A word about Rock, by the way: Rock does not work for Nike. I really don't see how he has a vested interest in sharing this information with his fellow community members. He's a stand-up guy and I think the last thing we should do is PENALIZE him for risking his relationship with his contacts for our benefit. There are, undoubtedly, those who exploit and attempt to subvert NikeTalk to further their own narrow, selfish corporate agendas. I don't see this as a market research attempt, to determine how people might react to the possibility of a Tinker-designed product. Instead, I see this in the same vein as the types of posts that established NikeTalk as the premier destination for sneaker news. One of our fellow members came across information of interest to the community and took the time to share it with us. For that, I thank him.

Don't shoot the messenger.



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the man is the truth...............I hate ceareal with marshmallows, sothis was funny for me
 
Originally Posted by JAONE626

An Air Jordan Foamposite?




I'm not sure how I feel about this concept yet...




I love my foam ones, but I doubt foamposite on a jordan would give me the same feeling...
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Originally Posted by jordanpheen

William Rivera 3 wrote:
How can lets say a NTer (advanced sneaker-head) be "blown away" by retros




NTers have always despised retro + colors, inaccurate shapes and molds, as well as ever cheaper materials?




This is all JB is going 2 give us, they have proved it in 20008...




Consider this thread hi-jacked by yours truly, until a legitimate answer is given.




You "hinters" need 2 be realistic...
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ok well lets just change "blown away" to being satisfied/excited with what number retros thats set to release as well as the CWs...no one said
quality would be the best
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you(JB consumers) want the retros that havent released in years...so you're getting them








oh yeah??

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white/black-red 1s??
cement 4s??
white/infra red 6s??
bordeaux 7s??
powder 9s??
cheacoal 9s??
chi 10s??
unc 10s??
spacejams??
concords??
 
This thread has caught my attention. Finally great info coming from veterans!! I can't wait for 2010, and hopefully some quality.
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Originally Posted by Pro11

I hope the 6s will drop
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Both black and white infra SAMPLES are in production next year. Nothing is confirmed so no need to start the hype. It's up in the air.
 
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