Damon Dash = Beer Caine Dropped In Menace

freakydestroyer · Mar 24, 2009

Originally Posted by jthagreat

Originally Posted by MBen32

Originally Posted by jthagreat

IF dame and biggs would have just given the masters to Jay...

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BTW how much cake do they make off of em? Can't be much of anything.

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prolly not much at all. its not like the beatles where jackson can cake off forever.

what song off RD are they gonna use in a commercial.

Dame tried to get at Jay and made it personal and took the bad end of the deal. Jay was gonna cake regardless after getting up out from under Dame. Yes dame helped Jay make money, but he also stopped Jay from getting otther deals.

Exactly it was all done out of spite. Jay wanted Reasonable Doubt for its sentimental value.

wildout4 · Mar 25, 2009

maybe dudes ego will come down a notch

eightysbaby · Mar 25, 2009

Damn...the moneys gone so the broad is too

& Dames been chillin with Jimmyalot who is even broker than he is...it was cool when it was dame & jay..but that was history...oh well

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ITS THE ROC YOU BASTARDS!

nikeflightposite · Mar 25, 2009

what I don't understand is... why didn't he dip into the music business with his own label after him and Jay split?? At that time, he still had somerespect, not so much now. He could've been another Collipark and just sign dudes who make 1 or 2 hits.

iwhohavenothing · Mar 25, 2009

Damn dame...hope he makes some cash again.

kingtre · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by NikeFlightposite

what I don't understand is... why didn't he dip into the music business with his own label after him and Jay split?? At that time, he still had some respect, not so much now. He could've been another Collipark and just sign dudes who make 1 or 2 hits.

he tried...Dame Dash Music Group

nostrandave68 · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by Kingtre

Originally Posted by NikeFlightposite

what I don't understand is... why didn't he dip into the music business with his own label after him and Jay split?? At that time, he still had some respect, not so much now. He could've been another Collipark and just sign dudes who make 1 or 2 hits.

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he tried...Dame Dash Music Group

Yupe I remember Sizzla was signed to him for a minute.

lifelessons · Mar 25, 2009

[jay-z] when the money goes will the honeys stay...[/jay-z]

dead stokc · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

Originally Posted by Untitled

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

Originally Posted by deepinthajeep

Dame is far from ignorant. Sure he made some questionable decisions, but he's a smart guy.

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u go from millionaire to broke u ignorant...

i kno my smart %$# aint losing millions...

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huh? tell that to the smart guys in wall street who lost billions....alot of em got PHD and doctorate degrees

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that $%%% dont happen everyday... THEY ALL LOST... aint like it was one person... that doesnt apply here... this is just straight mismanagement of ur own guap... stop takin up for the idiot... its his fault... and his alone...

Word, being dumb & ignorant are 2 different things. Dame shoulda handle his paper better. Once
things started to fall apart, he shoulda adjusted accodingly as any huslter would. He continued to try
to live that life, that he couldnt obviously afford too. A person can live off of 2 Mil comfortably for
the rest of their life if invested right, outta 50 Mil, he couldnt do that? Either he really is ignorant or
theres more to the story we arent getting.

sneakaprince · Mar 25, 2009

^Cocaine?

illphillip · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

Originally Posted by deepinthajeep

Dame is far from ignorant. Sure he made some questionable decisions, but he's a smart guy.

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u go from millionaire to broke u ignorant...

i kno my smart %$# aint losing millions...

Or maybe your dumb *$@ will never MAKE millions? Get it?

You seem to love to @*+# on Dame. Never understood how dudes could have hate in their blood for someone they don't know. I respect Dame and his grind. AndI don't revel in seeing him fall. It is what it is. I don't know him so I don't feel any type of way about it really. But some of y'all arestraight childish about it.

Combat Jack did a great write up on this. See below. Jay stans please note where Jack says "Let me set the record straight, here, and once and for all.Without Dame, there would be no Jay-Z. I know it. I said it. And I said it here." And that's coming from a dude that WORKED with them.

http://dailymathematics.b...-jack-on-damon-dash.html

Damon Dash. I repped him from 1991 - 1997. My most difficult client ever. There's a lot of @*+# I can write about dude, but because of client/attorneyprivilege, I'm legally precluded from doing so. He started out as a manager with his cousin, Darien Dash. Another effin "winner". Brilliant dudesthough. Both in their teens. They came in the music game with two acts, "Original Flavor" and "The Future Sound". Upon the Dash's firstshot, they landed both those acts deals with the now defunct East/West Records, a part of the Atlantic record family. The Dash's must've netted over150k for those deals. Imagine sitting on at least 50 - 75 k in your pocket, in your teens, in the music game. And not as an artist, but as managers,executives. One of the best things that came outta me effin with Dame was him introducing me to fellow Brooklynite DJ/ Producer/ Sneaker God Clark Kent. Clarkremains one of my closest friends from the music game today. Clark was A&R at East/West and gave the Dash's the co-sign. He also came to the table withthe then unknown artist Jay-Z, introducing Jay to Dame. Even tried to sign him to East/West, but back then NO ONE was feeling Jay, not even Clark's thenboss, Sylvia Rhone. Clark did manage to squeeze Jay a cameo on Original Flavor's first single, "Can I Get Open". That @*+# right there rocked andit felt great to bang a single that I was proudly associated with. Jay did murder them on they own @*+# though. A coupla years passed, Original Flavor and TheFuture Sound came and went. So did the cash. The IRS came knocking and hard. Dame's accountant kinda eff'd up, didn't give the teens the properfinancial advice and guidance they needed. #%*++% had to turn in the Pathfinder jeeps they were so proudly rocking throughout NYC. Clark and Dame went intooverdrive to get Jay-Z a deal. They had me up in all types of meetings, selling, pushing, damn near begging the record execs to give Jay a deal. Nada. One execeven told me "why the ++%% should I sign Jay-Z, I have Black Sheep on our roster, Jay ain't +%#%@%% with them". @*+# was rough on the cousinsDash. Eventually Darien, who had just graduated from college, caught on to the whole digital revolution. Saw the internet coming from miles away. Started a dotcom start up company called Digital Mafia. Made a @*+# load of money even. One thing the cousins always had was mad smarts on their side. Brilliant. Damestarted borrowing a coupla dollars from me. Not that he needed it, but as he explained it, "there was no way #%*++% Uptown is EVER gonna see me walkingout the subway. I'm too fresh for that. #%*++% need to stay seeing me stepping outta cabs. ++%% that plebe @*+#." So I lent him money for cab fare.Thought he was being x-tra, still, had to admire that sense of pride. @*+# like that kinda ensures your financial success. That, and/or financial demise. Hewas also going through mad baby momma drama at the time with the mother of his first son Boogie. @*+# was so bad, he even got into a physical fight with herfather, brother and uncle. At the same time. From what I remember, he knocked all three of them out and on they #+#%* during that same encounter. I think Ieven remember them pressing charges against Damon for the *$@ whuppin. Funny @*+#. We laughed loudly behind that one. @*+# looked dire for the team. You heardit right there on the song. West Coast blew up, Nas stunned the world with "Illmatic", Puff and Bad Boy started killing it here in New York with that"Big Mack" one two punch (Craig Mack's "Flavor In Your Ear" and Biggie Smalls set up the momentum for Bad Boy Records forever and justright). I soon started repping Jaz-O who was an extended member of the original "Team Roc". Biggs wasn't yet down. Jay, Dame, Clark, them kniccaswent in. Like 24/7, they was producing records left and right outta Clark's crib, on Carroll Street, in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. We also had Ski Beatzproducing fiyah as well. Ski was a member and the sound behind Original Flavor. Between him and Clark, Jay was swimming in a pool of beats to sharpen his rhymeplay. Jay soon began evolving, slowing down his rapid fire tempo, stretching out his words, dumbing down his delivery to a point where @*+# sounded simple tothe casual listener, but somehow would stuff so many layers upon layers of metaphors and double, triple, quadruple entendres in his @*+#, so much so that itstill takes years for me to catch the full meaning of @*+# he dropped back in '96, '97, '98. Hard times and financial pressure made him forge hisskills into the sharpest of blades. Damon kept that whole @*+# together though. Never lost sight, never gave in a bit. Eventually he landed a measly *$@ dealwith a small label, Pay Day Records. Deal was like less than 30k. Still, Dame took it, they was the only label on the block biting. They released Jay'sfirst single ever, "In My Lifetime". A dope laid back underground New York state of mind record. Sold wood. Pay Day dropped Jay and Dame shortlyafter. By then they had hooked up with Biggs. They pooled their collective monies and decided to swing for the fences. #%*++% had me working overtime as well,doing producer agreements night after night with Ski, Clark, Jaz-O, Preemo, Peter Panic. They actually went in and produced the majority of "ReasonableDoubt" on their own, on the strength of relationships and hard cash. Because Dame "dated" Mary J. Blige briefly, right before she blew up, shedid him a solid and dropped her cameo on "Can't Knock The Hustle". Jay's relationship with B.I.G. and Clark's relationship with Puffresulted in "Brooklyn's Finest". Dope @*+# was being cooked up, just didn't see where that @*+# was going. Eventually, we landed a modestlabel deal with Moon Roof, a label under Priority. No lie, that was a $$$+%%!# deal. But the only one we could find at the time. The album was solid no doubt,but was missing that one joint, that one commercial single that would push that album from being ai'ight to becoming certified classic status. Boom!Clark's baby cousin Inga Marchand, p/k/a "Foxy Brown" made some noise and started a bidding war between Def Jam, Bad Boy, Elektra and a bunch ofother labels. On the strength, they snatched her yung *$@ up for what would end up being the monster single "Ain't No !$%*@". Damon played thatsingle for me in his new offices, then located in the Wall Street area. !$%*@ was doing that goofy "Dame dance" with the mock dice roll even then.That record was a monster!!! Inga single handedly, in my opinion, saved Jay-Z's career. Without her on that record, and Reasonable Doubt being Jay'slast shot, the world at large might have never heard of Shawn Carter. (#%*++% don't really put 2 and 2 together, realizing that Jay had been trying to geton since like 1987, '88, damn near close to 10 years before Reasonable Doubt!!!) Reasonable Doubt dropped and sold gold out the gate. 500,000 units.Priority never expected that. Owed Dame $1,000,000.00 but couldn't, wouldn't pay up. Enter Irv Gotti, who snatched up the "Ain't No!$%*@" single for the "Nutty Professor" soundtrack. That led to Roc-a-fella eventually landing at Def Jam. The rest, as they say, is history.Let me set the record straight, here, and once and for all. Without Dame, there would be no Jay-Z. I know it. I said it. And I said it here. I write this allto say that as brilliant as Damon Dash is, his strongest suit, the thing that made him so extremely successful is that the man is one of the world'sbiggest %@#$$$@+. Always was. I guess it's a good thing that dude never changed once he made money. I credit him for definitely taking great care of hisartists and his peoples, but if you weren't on what he considered to be his team, he would be incredibly disrespectful. Burned a lotta bridges too. Toomany. I once argued with him on just that, on how I felt he was hurting us, hurting himself by burning too many bridges unnecessarily. Told me he didn'tneed any bridges to blow up, to make paper. Cool. Confidence is one thing, arrogance is another, and Dame had arrogance in abundance. Throughout my years ofassociation with him, I've seen him @*+# on so many people. So. many. people. Not that the music industry is full of saints, that business breeds #%$%@ bythe bundles [||], but when it comes to %@#$$$@+, Dame remains king. So now the media is clowning dude for supposedly being broke, for going through a divorcewith his wife. I would never pray for that type of public humiliation on anyone, anywhere. Humiliation in spades. However, I confess, when it comes to DamonDash, I set my watch like 13 years ago, waiting to see when @*+# like this would happen to him. Not outta hate though, not outta jealousy even, @*+# I owe dudefor helping me in building my business, in helping me to establish a solid reputation in the game, in becoming the person that I am today. The reason I set mywatch is because I've seen him humiliate and disgrace so many people, throw so many souls under the proverbial bus that even then, I knew that the @*+#he's publicly suffering through now was coming, inevitable, only a matter of time. I seen it coming years ago. Only because karma can be a mean !$@+!, andshe is mos def getting it in on dude. If I were a betting man, after all this @*+# dies down, and the papers and websites and blogs have had their way withhim, I'd say that outta them all, Damon Dash might just could come back and land on top again. He's brilliant like that, and being an @%!@*#% is hisstrongest suit. But before that time comes, there's a whole lotta hell for him to pay. And in this lifetime.

D StaXX · Mar 25, 2009

good read..

abeautifulhaze · Mar 25, 2009

Great read.

yungmatt · Mar 25, 2009

Good Read...*$@* got my eyes hurtin though

dapper d · Mar 25, 2009

Damon Dash. I repped him from 1991 - 1997. My most difficult client ever. There's a lot of *%%! I can write about dude, but because of client/attorney privilege, I'm legally precluded from doing so. He started out as a manager with his cousin, Darien Dash. Another effin "winner". Brilliant dudes though. Both in their teens. They came in the music game with two acts, "Original Flavor" and "The Future Sound". Upon the Dash's first shot, they landed both those acts deals with the now defunct East/West Records, a part of the Atlantic record family. The Dash's must've netted over 150k for those deals. Imagine sitting on at least 50 - 75 k in your pocket, in your teens, in the music game. And not as an artist, but as managers, executives.

One of the best things that came outta me effin with Dame was him introducing me to fellow Brooklynite DJ/ Producer/ Sneaker God Clark Kent. Clark remains one of my closest friends from the music game today. Clark was A&R at East/West and gave the Dash's the co-sign. He also came to the table with the then unknown artist Jay-Z, introducing Jay to Dame. Even tried to sign him to East/West, but back then NO ONE was feeling Jay, not even Clark's then boss, Sylvia Rhone. Clark did manage to squeeze Jay a cameo on Original Flavor's first single, "Can I Get Open". That *%%! right there rocked and it felt great to bang a single that I was proudly associated with. Jay did murder them on they own *%%! though.

A coupla years passed, Original Flavor and The Future Sound came and went. So did the cash. The IRS came knocking and hard. Dame's accountant kinda eff'd up, didn't give the teens the proper financial advice and guidance they needed. #*#!%@ had to turn in the Pathfinder jeeps they were so proudly rocking throughout NYC. Clark and Dame went into overdrive to get Jay-Z a deal. They had me up in all types of meetings, selling, pushing, damn near begging the record execs to give Jay a deal. Nada. One exec even told me "why the +#!% should I sign Jay-Z, I have Black Sheep on our roster, Jay ain't $$%++@$ with them". *%%! was rough on the cousins Dash. Eventually Darien, who had just graduated from college, caught on to the whole digital revolution. Saw the internet coming from miles away. Started a dot com start up company called Digital Mafia. Made a *%%! load of money even. One thing the cousins always had was mad smarts on their side. Brilliant.

Dame started borrowing a coupla dollars from me. Not that he needed it, but as he explained it, "there was no way #*#!%@ Uptown is EVER gonna see me walking out the subway. I'm too fresh for that. #*#!%@ need to stay seeing me stepping outta cabs. +#!% that plebe *%%!." So I lent him money for cab fare. Thought he was being x-tra, still, had to admire that sense of pride. *%%! like that kinda ensures your financial success. That, and/or financial demise. He was also going through mad baby momma drama at the time with the mother of his first son Boogie. *%%! was so bad, he even got into a physical fight with her father, brother and uncle. At the same time. From what I remember, he knocked all three of them out and on they @+$+% during that same encounter. I think I even remember them pressing charges against Damon for the %%% whuppin. Funny *%%!. We laughed loudly behind that one.

*%%! looked dire for the team. You heard it right there on the song. West Coast blew up, Nas stunned the world with "Illmatic", Puff and Bad Boy started killing it here in New York with that "Big Mack" one two punch (Craig Mack's "Flavor In Your Ear" and Biggie Smalls set up the momentum for Bad Boy Records forever and just right). I soon started repping Jaz-O who was an extended member of the original "Team Roc". Biggs wasn't yet down. Jay, Dame, Clark, them kniccas went in. Like 24/7, they was producing records left and right outta Clark's crib, on Carroll Street, in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. We also had Ski Beatz producing fiyah as well. Ski was a member and the sound behind Original Flavor. Between him and Clark, Jay was swimming in a pool of beats to sharpen his rhyme play. Jay soon began evolving, slowing down his rapid fire tempo, stretching out his words, dumbing down his delivery to a point where *%%! sounded simple to the casual listener, but somehow would stuff so many layers upon layers of metaphors and double, triple, quadruple entendres in his *%%!, so much so that it still takes years for me to catch the full meaning of *%%! he dropped back in '96, '97, '98. Hard times and financial pressure made him forge his skills into the sharpest of blades.

Damon kept that whole *%%! together though. Never lost sight, never gave in a bit. Eventually he landed a measly %%% deal with a small label, Pay Day Records. Deal was like less than 30k. Still, Dame took it, they was the only label on the block biting. They released Jay's first single ever, "In My Lifetime". A dope laid back underground New York state of mind record. Sold wood. Pay Day dropped Jay and Dame shortly after. By then they had hooked up with Biggs. They pooled their collective monies and decided to swing for the fences.

#*#!%@ had me working overtime as well, doing producer agreements night after night with Ski, Clark, Jaz-O, Preemo, Peter Panic. They actually went in and produced the majority of "Reasonable Doubt" on their own, on the strength of relationships and hard cash. Because Dame "dated" Mary J. Blige briefly, right before she blew up, she did him a solid and dropped her cameo on "Can't Knock The Hustle". Jay's relationship with B.I.G. and Clark's relationship with Puff resulted in "Brooklyn's Finest". Dope *%%! was being cooked up, just didn't see where that *%%! was going. Eventually, we landed a modest label deal with Moon Roof, a label under Priority. No lie, that was a $@!!!@$! deal. But the only one we could find at the time. The album was solid no doubt, but was missing that one joint, that one commercial single that would push that album from being ai'ight to becoming certified classic status.

Boom! Clark's baby cousin Inga Marchand, p/k/a "Foxy Brown" made some noise and started a bidding war between Def Jam, Bad Boy, Elektra and a bunch of other labels. On the strength, they snatched her yung %%% up for what would end up being the monster single "Ain't No #$%$@". Damon played that single for me in his new offices, then located in the Wall Street area. #$%$@ was doing that goofy "Dame dance" with the mock dice roll even then. That record was a monster!!! Inga single handedly, in my opinion, saved Jay-Z's career. Without her on that record, and Reasonable Doubt being Jay's last shot, the world at large might have never heard of Shawn Carter. (#*#!%@ don't really put 2 and 2 together, realizing that Jay had been trying to get on since like 1987, '88, damn near close to 10 years before Reasonable Doubt!!!)

Just in case if u couldent read how Illphillip put it...

But yeah this is a great read and a good look inside of Dames personality...

He basically says he was a genius...but a jerk...who made a lot of enemies on the way up...who couldent wait to see him fall...

sloanboy · Mar 25, 2009

@ this dude even having car and house payments your a milionare y are youmaking payments on anything

chitown4eva · Mar 25, 2009

"why the +#!% should I sign Jay-Z, I have Black Sheep on our roster, Jay ain't $$%++@$ with them"

sloanboy · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

Originally Posted by Untitled

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

Originally Posted by deepinthajeep

Dame is far from ignorant. Sure he made some questionable decisions, but he's a smart guy.

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u go from millionaire to broke u ignorant...

i kno my smart %$# aint losing millions...

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huh? tell that to the smart guys in wall street who lost billions....alot of em got PHD and doctorate degrees

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that $%%% dont happen everyday... THEY ALL LOST... aint like it was one person... that doesnt apply here... this is just straight mismanagement of ur own guap... stop takin up for the idiot... its his fault... and his alone...

its not at all the same this dude is losing money cause of his spending habits those mainly lost money because of stocks were there had all theirmoney invested in or something on those lines

shaze804 · Mar 25, 2009

this is a good read.

freakydestroyer · Mar 25, 2009

Pardon my ignorance but 2 questions

Who is Combat Jack?
What other notable records did DJ Clark Kent work on?

deuce king · Mar 25, 2009

Because Dame "dated" Mary J. Blige briefly

You learn something new everyday.

vancity74 · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by sloanboy

@ this dude even having car and house payments your a milionare y are you making payments on anything

Why not having payments? If you can borrow $10,000,000 @ 5%, but earn 10% on that same $10,000,000, you would be a damn fool NOT to borrow.

send one · Mar 25, 2009

I doubt Dame is penniless. Being broke to them is totally different than being broke to us.

And even if he is completely broke , he managed to live a life that none of us probably ever will.

Great read Phil.

What other notable records did DJ Clark Kent work on?
Clark Kent

untitled · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by jthagreat

IF dame and biggs would have just given the masters Reasonable Doubt master to Jay...

fixed.

jay-z was willing to leave all the other albums...all he wanted was reasonable doubt. Dame was wildin for not giving that up.

untitled · Mar 25, 2009

Originally Posted by Laced Up Jordans

Dude was WILD reckless during his heydey spending money like it was nothin', add to the fact he tried to be selfish and just had to keep Reasonable Doubt for himself, even though Biggs wanted to take Jay's deal. Dude made some dumb *%$ investments. Like who the hell rocks Keds? like !@$, that $*#* was bound to fail

it was the other way around..dame wanted to take jay's deal..biggs vetoed it

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