sometimes Mos Def should just keep his mouth shut..

Originally Posted by MoeMZA

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by MoeMZA

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by MoeMZA

Quite clearly a set-up, and completely unfair. Mos Def, a Muslim, is pitted against two 'intellectual' anti-Islamists.

If producers wanted parity, they would've booked an Islamic political scholar of some sort, not an extremely opinionated music artist.
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1. Mos Def is on there because he has a few projects in the works right now. It was more a publicity venture FOR HIM than anyone.

2. He's been on Maher's show before. He knew what the deal was.

3. His being a muslim has nothing to do with anything here, what are you even talking about? He asked a question. It was answered. He asked the same question again, this time stating that he was a misinformed on the subject because he didn't trust the news or any of the panelists opinions on these topics but rather chose to come to conclusions himself.

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3a. Hitchens then jumped on him, and you know what? Rightfully so.
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Uh yeah, still was unfair set-up. Were you trying to prove otherwise?

The show's platform is political discourse with a hint of comedy. Where's the entertainment and intellectual value gained when you put MOS DEF with CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS knowing full well that they have completely opposite viewpoints, and more imortantly, completely opposite levels of intellect.

Guests weren't selected by way of raffle bag. Producers knew full well what would eventually take place, and it did.
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Ok now i know you didn't watch the episode. mos def had NO viewpoint. I don't know what you're contending...

And again, Mos Def has been on the show before! He knows exactly what goes on there! He knows what the shows guests typically are like. He could have declined. No one blindsided him.


Who the @#*% goes on a political show to speak on a topic they know absolutely nothing about. And now you want sympathy for him??
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Oh boy.....Not arguing whether MOS DEF presented a viewpoint or not. But the fact that, as you say, Mos Def had NO viewpoint, strenghthens my real argument that this is a partial/unfair set-up.

Who cares what Mos Def is expecting by coming on the show, not my point.

Please read carefully.
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I have no idea what your point is... that Mos Def was set up?

Dog he's a grown @$+ man. 30+. If I (23) was asked to be on a political talk show where the topic of the episode would "_____" i'd makesure i knew something about that topic. And if I didn't I'd go educate myself. Why are you trying to gainsympathy for him?

It's not even like he's in the same boat as half the people in this thread. If there's anyone who has the means to be and SHOULD be educated oncertain topics it's him. How do you claim to be a conscious rapper, when you're not aware of %*%%?

He's a $%**#*! New Yorker! The %*%% was embarrassing.
 
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

not really apropos but all of this reminded me of this quote by Richard Dawkins:

"If you are a religious apologist invited to debate Christopher Hitchens, decline. "
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Especially if you're trying to defend Islam on an anti-religious (especially anti-Islamic) show hosted by an anti-religious person (who is half-Jewish and therefore extra anti-Islamic).
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God, that was a dumb thing to write.
 
Mos asked a question.

It was answered.

He asked it again.

It was answered again.

Then he basically says: "I'm not going to believe your answer."

He got the guy worked up by running in circles.

Why did Mos even ask the question if he knew he wasnt going to listen to them?

He seemed seemed pretty ignorant to me.
 
Originally Posted by Nako XL


I have no idea what your point is... that Mos Def was set up?

Dog he's a grown @$+ man. 30+. If I (23) was asked to be on a political talk show where the topic of the episode would "_____" i'd make sure i knew something about that topic. And if I didn't I'd go educate myself. Why are you trying to gain sympathy for him?

It's not even like he's in the same boat as half the people in this thread. If there's anyone who has the means to be and SHOULD be educated on certain topics it's him. How do you claim to be a conscious rapper, when you're not aware of %*%%?

He's a $%**#*! New Yorker! The %*%% was embarrassing.
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He also considers himself an "activist".
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"I think its a stupid thing that you think i was saying a stupid thing..." lol
 
Mos Def always perpetuated a false sense of activism and intelligence to me. Sure he has an extensive vocabulary, but so does every other good rapper.
 
Mos point was what all Black people say to themselves, We LITERALLY have no EVIDENCE that Bin Laden was behind 9/11, I remember that day clear as yesterday,they named this guy as the culprit like 30 minutes after the 2nd Tower fell, but whatever another discussion for another time. I think we as Americans areparanoid out of our own arrogance, these guys would have bombed us a long time ago, they have the money, motivation and guns. You can tell me you can hide aguy from mankind for 8 years but you couldnt come and wreak Havoc in the USA.......Mos is basically trying to say that as much "videos, transcripts andwarnings we get, nothing ever happens so at some point you have to step back and ask yourself what am I really afraid of? Secrets to nuclear weapons arent likethe Coca Cola recipe that locked away in a safe somewhere...........
 
apassionforshoes, I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you just said.

especially the bit about Mos Def being rich
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Mos is weird, Chris H. gave him a clear answer to his question which lead him vulnerable to feel oppressed by the others on the panel. If you don't knowsomething look it up yourself, why depend on someone else to give you info about al-queda when you clearly said you don't trust the media nor others on thepanel. Mos made himself look dumb, though I know he isn't it's just on this show. Smh.
 
When all else fails, resort to the ol' "You don't know me, you' don't know me" loophole.
That's the kind of !*@! you use to hear on Sally Jessie Raphael. LOL
 
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(who is half-Jewish and
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Stoneface me all you want, but it's true. He claims to be "anti-religion", and maybe he is, but he's definitely more anti-Islamic than theother religions. He's a hypocrite. I can at least respect Richard Dawkins who goes out of his way to prove that he is against ALL religion and notemphasizing on Islam.
 
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by wsdesigner14

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Stoneface me all you want, but it's true. He claims to be "anti-religion", and maybe he is, but he's definitely more anti-Islamic than the other religions. He's a hypocrite. I can at least respect Richard Dawkins who goes out of his way to prove that he is against ALL religion and not emphasizing on Islam.
Just because he thinks one religion is worse than the others doesn't mean he's a hypocrite.
 
that guy was an ahole for no reason, acting all but hurt. i guess he proved that Mos is "lazy" by not doing his homework, but at what cause, to makehim feel stupid and feel beneath him. mos is still alright in my book. at least he's not annoying as krs is now a days.
 
Originally Posted by whiterails

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

wsdesigner14 wrote:

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therefore extra anti-Islamic)
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Stoneface me all you want, but it's true. He claims to be "anti-religion", and maybe he is, but he's definitely more anti-Islamic than the
other religions. He's a hypocrite. I can at least respect Richard Dawkins who goes out of his way to prove that he is against ALL religion and not
emphasizing on Islam.
Just because he thinks one religion is worse than the others doesn't mean he's a hypocrite.




Fine. Then he shouldn't really portray himself as being "anti-religion". He should just come out and say that he's anti-Islamic. I guess whatIslam should be doing to please Mr. Maher is what was done in 1948, cleansing the area of people of one religion to make room for people of another religion.
 
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by whiterails

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

wsdesigner14 wrote:

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therefore extra anti-Islamic)
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Stoneface me all you want, but it's true. He claims to be "anti-religion", and maybe he is, but he's definitely more anti-Islamic than the
other religions. He's a hypocrite. I can at least respect Richard Dawkins who goes out of his way to prove that he is against ALL religion and not
emphasizing on Islam.
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Just because he thinks one religion is worse than the others doesn't mean he's a hypocrite.




Fine. Then he shouldn't really portray himself as being "anti-religion". He should just come out and say that he's anti-Islamic. I guess what Islam should be doing to please Mr. Maher is what was done in 1948, cleansing the area of people of one religion to make room for people of another religion.
Xtapolapacetl-
What makes you think he is harder on Islam? One thing I enjoy about Maher is that he seems to be an equal-opportunity hater of religion in general.
 
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by whiterails

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

wsdesigner14 wrote:

(who is half-Jewish and


therefore extra anti-Islamic)
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Stoneface me all you want, but it's true. He claims to be "anti-religion", and maybe he is, but he's definitely more anti-Islamic than the
other religions. He's a hypocrite. I can at least respect Richard Dawkins who goes out of his way to prove that he is against ALL religion and not
emphasizing on Islam.
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Just because he thinks one religion is worse than the others doesn't mean he's a hypocrite.




Fine. Then he shouldn't really portray himself as being "anti-religion". He should just come out and say that he's anti-Islamic. I guess what Islam should be doing to please Mr. Maher is what was done in 1948, cleansing the area of people of one religion to make room for people of another religion.
Why are you saying that he's only anti-Islamic? He bashes all three of them.. therefore anti-religion.
Again, just because he thinks one is worse doesn't mean he's pro-Christianity or pro-Jewish in the slightest.

I think rape and theft are bad. I think murder is worse.
Does that make me pro-rape or pro-theft?
Do I still not come across as anti-crime?
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

whiterails wrote:

Xtapolapacetl wrote:

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(who is half-Jewish and






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Stoneface me all you want, but it's true. He claims to be "anti-religion", and maybe he is, but he's definitely more anti-Islamic than
the


other religions. He's a hypocrite. I can at least respect Richard Dawkins who goes out of his way to prove that he is against ALL religion and not


emphasizing on Islam.

Just because he thinks one religion is worse than the others doesn't mean he's a hypocrite.










Fine. Then he shouldn't really portray himself as being "anti-religion". He should just come out and say that he's anti-Islamic. I guess what
Islam should be doing to please Mr. Maher is what was done in 1948, cleansing the area of people of one religion to make room for people of another religion.
Xtapolapacetl-
What makes you think he is harder on Islam? One thing I enjoy about Maher is that he seems to be an equal-opportunity hater of religion in general.




He's not. He may not be religious person and believe in God, but he's a secular zionist and supports Israel politically. And ultimately, Israel is astate built on the notion that people of one RELIGION have more right to a territory than people of another religion. He's definitely not objective in hiscriticism of religion. Constantly bringing up the fact that there are 14 million Jews and 1 billion Muslims in the world or that there are 5 million Israelisand hundreds of millions of Arabs as a justification for Israel.
 
Originally Posted by whiterails

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

whiterails wrote:

Xtapolapacetl wrote:

wsdesigner14 wrote:








(who is half-Jewish and






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Stoneface me all you want, but it's true. He claims to be "anti-religion", and maybe he is, but he's definitely more anti-Islamic than
the


other religions. He's a hypocrite. I can at least respect Richard Dawkins who goes out of his way to prove that he is against ALL religion and not


emphasizing on Islam.

Just because he thinks one religion is worse than the others doesn't mean he's a hypocrite.










Fine. Then he shouldn't really portray himself as being "anti-religion". He should just come out and say that he's anti-Islamic. I guess what
Islam should be doing to please Mr. Maher is what was done in 1948, cleansing the area of people of one religion to make room for people of another religion.
Why are you saying that he's only anti-Islamic? He bashes all three of them.. therefore anti-religion.
Again, just because he thinks one is worse doesn't mean he's pro-Christianity or pro-Jewish in the slightest.

I think rape and theft are bad. I think murder is worse.
Does that make me pro-rape or pro-theft?
Do I still not come across as anti-crime?




Bad analogy. You might consider murder and rape as two different things, but children who were killed by Israeli air raids on Gaza are just as dead as peoplethat a Muslim fundamentalist suicide bomber killed.
 
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people sticking up for mos def should try and catch the re-air this week. Mos looked completely clueless out there it was awkward to watch. And when he made afool of himself and was called out on it he acted beligerent. He made hitchens, who is liberal seem like a ultra- conservative-neo-whathaveyou. I was suprisedthe crowd didn't start boing him off stage or start throwing @%!$.
 
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl


Bad analogy. You might consider murder and rape as two different things, but children who were killed by Israeli air raids on Gaza are just as dead as people that a Muslim fundamentalist suicide bomber killed.
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What does that have to do with anything?
I gave you the analogy to show you that someone can be against one thing more than two other things, but still be against all three.
You're assuming that since he's more anti-islam, he must be pro-jewish/christian, which isn't the case.
 
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