Are any of you guys watching COPS right now? Isn't this ENTRAPMENT?

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So i'm watching this episode like "This @#%$ has to be illegal".
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The cops are doing their usual "buy & bust" operation. So the undercover cop doing the buying is in his truck. He solicits another guy inanother vehicle for drugs.

The guy in the other vehicle is NOT a dealer, but he knows where to cop some crack... so he drives over to the crackspot where he usually buys from and getsthe cop what he asks for.

The arrest the guy for being an "enabler".

Are you serious? That's entrapment if I ever saw it:
Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.

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that does sound like a pretty open & shut case of entrapment... i doubt those charges stick if it goes to court
 
I don't know about it being applicable to To Catch A Predator, unless the decoys explicitly contacts the offender first, then asks him for sexualrelations...

But the cop originally wanted the guy to do something illegal, then the guy... coerced in to helping him out, gets arrested?

@+%@%+%+.
 
I didn't see cops, but a cop can't explicitly say do you sell or know where I can buy drugs. A cop could say I want some drugs and legally arrest theguy after he brings him to the drugs.
 
It sounds like it. Like they mentioned, To Catch a Predator has had some of the charges not stick, and I remember in Vegas they were trying to bust John's(guys who look for prostitutes), and some of those cases didn't stick because of the way they went about it. I read everybody who the officer dressed as a+@%$$+ approached first was let off.
 
Originally Posted by Ouch my feet

Did the guy willingly show him where to go?
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Yea, he led him there. But the point is the cop asked him to cop some for him.

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However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.


http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm
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Originally Posted by yep617

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
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http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm



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... did you even read the rest of that article?

The following is right after the paragraph you posted:
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
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if you "know" where to get some drugs
and you voluntarily go and get them for someone else than that makes you a part of the chain of a drug deal.
Dont you know how this stuff works?

there isnt usually just 1 guy holding all of the money, and all of the drugs, and selling it himself on the corner.
Hes got people who find customer, people who got the money, and sometimes separate people who got the stash.

so two scenarios:
one: this guy was a part of the drug deal and his job is to find customer = guilty

two: this guy was some random fool who was so stupid that he agreed to go buy drugs for somebody else = deserves to be arrested for stupidity
 
Are any of you guys watching COPS right now?


Absolutely not, the Nation Semifinals are on.

I quit watching cops years ago, because it shows the same toothless, wife-beater wearing, drunks minorities every night. They should dedicate a episode tocatching rich white-collar criminals that steal millions away from people everyday.
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Originally Posted by Zephyr1983

if you "know" where to get some drugs
and you voluntarily go and get them for someone else than that makes you a part of the chain of a drug deal.
Dont you know how this stuff works?

there isnt usually just 1 guy holding all of the money, and all of the drugs, and selling it himself on the corner.
Hes got people who find customer, people who got the money, and sometimes separate people who got the stash.

so two scenarios:
one: this guy was a part of the drug deal and his job is to find customer = guilty

two: this guy was some random fool who was so stupid that he agreed to go buy drugs for somebody else = deserves to be arrested for stupidity
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It was the second scenario. So even though he's stupid...is he a criminal?

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Originally Posted by TheBachellor

Originally Posted by yep617

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
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http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm
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... did you even read the rest of that article?

The following is right after the paragraph you posted:
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.


of course i read it, not really trying to debate you on this just trying to answer your question.. if the guy they arrested knows where to bringthem to cop crack then none of what you posted from the article apply, and thats why i felt no need to post it. not to mention all three of those things needto happen for it to be entrapment.
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p.s. i made the 2nd point bigger because it definitely doesnt apply
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TheBachellor wrote:
...is he a criminal?

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well, i think so.
i cant say for sure, im no lawyer.

but let me add this

Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

[color= rgb(51, 255, 0)]i could be wrong but i interpret this to mean ALL 3 things mus[/color]t occur

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

this is how i see, based on your description. This guy sounds more than willing to commit the crime.
If some random dude asked you to buy drugs for him would you say yes?
The fact that this guy followed through with something so stupid makes it seem to me that he didnt need to much persuading. e.i he knew what he was getting into
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From what I've read, it seems as if he was already predisposed to committing the crime. What the officers simply did was "dangle carrots" and hevoluntary acknowledge that he knew where and how to get them. What the officers did was not entrapment. Switch the cops with a random druggie and what you getis still a crime.
 
If the guy had said no to the cops a bunch of times, but the cops kept pushing him and egging him on to get him to finally do it - THAT wouldhave been entrapment. In the show you were referring to, they just asked him once, and he did it - which makes it pretty obvious that he is probably doing thisoften.
 
Is this a new episode from last night? If so, I'll watch it when it gets uploaded to Hulu and I'll see let you know if it's entrapment or not
 
Originally Posted by Russ tha G

If the guy had said no to the cops a bunch of times, but the cops kept pushing him and egging him on to get him to finally do it - THAT would have been entrapment. In the show you were referring to, they just asked him once, and he did it - which makes it pretty obvious that he is probably doing this often.
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This guy knows what he's talking about.

The OPs scenario is not entrapment because the guy who provided the drugs did it willingly after only being asked once.

The classic entrapment scenario is if for example a cop's name is "Bob", he meets a taxi driver named "Tim". Another undercover cop"Phil" is the "drug supplier"

Bob asks Tim for drugs, Tim says no. For the next 2 months, Bob calls Tim every single day asking him for drugs and Tim always declines. Finally, Bob tellsTim, "If you get me the drugs tomorrow from this guy named Phil, I'll never bother you again". Tim finally relents just to get Bob to stopannoying him, and then the cops arrest him.

Tim can argue that he was induced into committing a crime he normally would not due to Bob's persistency.
 
Yeah that is an entrapment right there. As sad as it might look they (cops) do it all the time.
 
honestly it's all entrapment ..... the only difference is they reworded it to make it "legal." If you think I'm wrong i'm sure a lot ofyou have heard of finder's fee that is used in so many different walks of like ....... except when it comes to drugs and other "illegal"activities, where "cops" use this logic to arrest people
 
That sucks. I've never taken a drug in my life, but I could still you where to get some. Hell, I went to school with a dude so I could even give you aname, phone number, and direct address. I'd hate to think I could be arrested just for helping a guy out, although I wouldn't do all that for astranger anyways so I guess I'm good.
 
that same episode, the one dude that had all the smoke pouring outta his car when he rolled down the window
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the cop is talking and the smoke just keeps coming. looked like the damn car was on fire.
 
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