the infamous is better than illmatic

Average or just good songs for me were:
Give Up The Goods
Up North Trip
Q.U. -- Hectic
Right Back At You
Cradle To The Grave

That's five from me leaving 8 great/classic songs imo. Hell I even count Just Step Prelude as some classic shhh. I overall just don't see this albumbeing better than Illmatic. I find myself bumping it way more.
 
Originally Posted by Master Zik

Average or just good songs for me were:
Give Up The Goods
Up North Trip
Q.U. -- Hectic
Right Back At You
Cradle To The Grave


I can't take your opinions seriously anymore
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Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by Master Zik

Average or just good songs for me were:
Give Up The Goods
Up North Trip
Q.U. -- Hectic
Right Back At You
Cradle To The Grave


I can't take your opinions seriously anymore
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Good. After the shhh you been posting in the music forum the past moth and after your exposure you think I take you seriously? Ya whole life fullof fail let alone the category of hip hop.
 
I see where you're coming from but...

if you asked P & Havoc they would even say Illmatic > Infamous
 
Originally Posted by M16

Although not as lyrical, The Infamous takes us on a hyper-realistic journey to QB and NYC painting pictures with the realism that even Illmatic could not accomplish. The consistent darker more gutter authentic feel of the album alone makes me enjoy it more than the collection of great songs that is Illmatic. That's the thing with Illmatic... it's too loose and too short. It lacks a solid concept holding it all together like The Infamous.

See, just because the album flows together and creates a picture doesn't mean it's a better album.
If that was the case, "A Prince Among Thieves" would be my GOAT album.

The production is better on Illmatic.
The
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value of all the tracks is better on Illmatic.
I mean, every track on Illmatic(with the exception of OT4YM, which is still a really good song) is AMAZING and could be argued as the best song on the album.
While I do agree, The Infamous is more cohesive than Illmatic, let's not act like Illmatic is just a collection of songs throw together.
Nas has the song about his friends in jail(One Love) and he does it better than Mobb did it(with Temperature's Rising, even tho that song is
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He has the song about chillin in the park and just thinking of memories
he has the song telling you that you can do whatever you want,
He has the head-knockers(Halftime, It Ain't Hard to Tell).
he has the song for his hood(Represent)
he has the song that describes NY and where he's from.
He has the song that describes how tough it is.

I mean, let's not act like there just random %$* tracks.

The ONLY gripe I have with Illmatic is it's a bit short, but other than that pure perfection on a disk.
 
Again, even though song for song or beat for beat Illmatic wins, I'm looking at the big picture. Flowing one song to the next and painting a picture isgood, but not the only criteria, the thing is Mobb Deep did it so perfectly on this album with exceptional realism.

Yes, each song on Illmatic has a seperate "point", but then the album title could have been "9 Amazing songs from Nas"

The Infamous captures and showcases the larger theme P and Havoc went after, with standout guest appearances; while Illmatic simply showcased Nas's talent.Not that that's a bad thing, he was leagues above Mobb lyrically with multiple contenders for GOAT song on that just one album alone; which is why I said"as a complete album" in the OP.

Add a few more songs with a similar concept like Memory Lane to Illmatic and no doubt it's the GOAT album.

Originally Posted by Master Zik

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by Master Zik

Average or just good songs for me were:
Give Up The Goods
Up North Trip
Q.U. -- Hectic
Right Back At You
Cradle To The Grave


I can't take your opinions seriously anymore
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Good. After the shhh you been posting in the music forum the past moth and after your exposure you think I take you seriously? Ya whole life full of fail let alone the category of hip hop.


Past month I was banned, and no one got exposed. You think songs like Give up the Goods or Right Back at You are "average to good"; if I was lameenough to use an ignore list you would be on it.
 
LOL
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sure homey you gonna front like u aint the lame on the lowstalk/hatin on dimply, turn around to look like one of Apu kids with ya book bag 10x bigger than you
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Makin weak threats/lyin to Mayor
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. I'm sorry but this joke aint funny. Go about yours.....
 
I don't want another joint like Memory Lane on Illmatic, it would just take away from the OG.
In the longrun, I think he did himself a favor only making Illmatic 10 tracks deep, there's really no need for another track.
All that needed to be said was said.

Anyway, I think you're going too far to discredit Illmatic.
When I listen to it, I don't just think, "Oh these are a dope 9 tracks from Nas."
Naw, when you listen to this album, you see the perspective of a 19 year old kid from QB.
He's telling you the goods, the bads, everything about life as he sees it as a kid from QB.
THAT'S the "theme" of Illmatic.

A complete album can mean something to a lot of different people.
Personally, I think that God's Son is NaS' most complete album, that doesn't mean I think GS is Nas's best album tho
 
Originally Posted by SoHi 23

I don't want another joint like Memory Lane on Illmatic, it would just take away from the OG.
In the longrun, I think he did himself a favor only making Illmatic 10 tracks deep, there's really no need for another track.
All that needed to be said was said.

Anyway, I think you're going too far to discredit Illmatic.
When I listen to it, I don't just think, "Oh these are a dope 9 tracks from Nas."
Naw, when you listen to this album, you see the perspective of a 19 year old kid from QB.
He's telling you the goods, the bads, everything about life as he sees it as a kid from QB.
THAT'S the "theme" of Illmatic.

A complete album can mean something to a lot of different people.
Personally, I think that God's Son is NaS' most complete album, that doesn't mean I think GS is Nas's best album tho


I see your point, but that's why I literally said "AS A COMPLETE ALBUM" in the OP. There's no denying the Infamous is more complete thanIllmatic.

Originally Posted by Master Zik

LOL
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sure homey you gonna front like u aint the lame on the low stalk/hatin on dimply, turn around to look like one of Apu kids with ya book bag 10x bigger than you
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Makin weak threats/lyin to Mayor
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. I'm sorry but this joke aint funny. Go about yours.....


Just stop posting.
 
You might be on to something...

but you came to the wrong place
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NT will rip your head off for saying anything isbetter than Illmatic/Resonable Doubt/36 Chambers
and if you try to compare the 3... watch out
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Originally Posted by Spot Rusherz

Originally Posted by inspektahdeck

Originally Posted by Spot Rusherz

illmatic
Ready To Die
Reasonable Doubt

/thread
Illmatic
Only Built for Cuban Linx
Ready to Die

/thread
Reasonable Doubt your 4th?
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I had OB4CL as my 4th
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yep i had RD 4th....and got It Was Written 5th



*waits for the IWW haters to post slick remarks*
 
Originally Posted by M16

This is a pretty weak list, you can do much better...

Ready to Die No way in hell.
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx Could have been a possibility, but it's a bit too unfocused and should have been shorter.
Capital Punishment NO. JUST STOP. I'm one of the biggest Pun fans on NT but this album is not even top 20. Doesn't do a good job representing Pun's skills.
The War Report Stop.
Aquemini Stop.
It Takes a Nation of Millions...
36 Chambers
The Chronic Are
Doggystyle You
By Any Means Necessary
Radio Serious ?

"...Were all better albums than The Infamous. If anything, the Infamous was essentially "Illmatic Lite." Everything Mobb attempted on the Infamous was perfected on Illmatic."

The ones I left out can be discussed but I still feel The Infamous tops them all. 36 chambers is my #3. Does it paint life in NYC like The Infamous ? Not even close. By All Means was spectacular, but not better than The Infamous. Not as balanced. Where are the street anthems ? To be honest it even gets boring at times, and I love KRS-One. It Takes a Nation wins out on influence, and I won't be mad at someone holding it up that high, but I can't put it on and just listen to it on repeat for huge stretches of time like I do with both The Infamous and Illmatic.

The Infamous was Illmatic Lite ? I hope that was a joke. Although not as lyrical, The Infamous takes us on a hyper-realistic journey to QB and NYC painting pictures with the realism that even Illmatic could not accomplish. The consistent darker more gutter authentic feel of the album alone makes me enjoy it more than the collection of great songs that is Illmatic. That's the thing with Illmatic... it's too loose and too short. It lacks a solid concept holding it all together like The Infamous.

I mean, think of it this way. Illmatic was an all-star team of all the greatest NBA stars from different eras arranged to pick up and play with no experience together, while The Infamous was a great team that had YEARS of experience, a top quality coach, a team of highly skilled trainers, and almost perfect chemistry; but they lack the raw talent the first team has. Nas had the raw talent, but P and Havoc, although not GOAT status rappers, had the big picture down perfectly. That's why I feel The Infamous is better.
But that's the thing, man: Life itself is not that tragic, no matter who you are. I could never take an album (outside of concept albums)seriously without a girl song, or a club song, or some kind of uplifting or nostalgic song on it. That's why I totally agree with illphillip here: Themore I think about it, the album sounds like a kid who was an accomplished ballet dancer of diminuitive stature in high school and his withdrawn, bookishcounterpart put it together. And they did so in the hopes of evading their seemingly less-than-sordid pasts. I can't really take much of what I hear onthe album seriously.
 
We see things differently then. A girls or club type song on The Infamous would have stuck out like a sore thumb and killed it for me. No matter their reallives the album was so realistic it actually made it seem like these two dudes were cold hearted thugs rhyming about their real experiences. Few if any albumshave sounded as genuine and believable as it, be they art students or not. They had songs that every NYC'r living in the 90's in less than perfectconditions could relate too, and even if not they could take the upper middle class white kid in Kentucky and still paint a pretty vivid and grim picture of itin his head; wether he or they lived it or not. Having grown up in NYC during the 90's it only makes the album mean that much more to me. I love Illmatictoo, but Nas's stories on it are completely unbelievable and he came off as the dude that chilled at his crib getting high just focusing on his rhymes. Pand Havoc came off as the grimey dudes they portrayed in their rhymes, the type of dudes you pass by and see chilling in the hood lobby at 3am getting rocksoff'; and that's just a testament to how great of an album The Infamous is.

Originally Posted by Twig1026

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...there are 3 threads this bad every day...no wonder they wanna shut this down


This is the best thread on the entire first page or 2nd pages. A great topic for discussion if you aren't close minded and are knowledgeable enough toconsider and make arguments. We already know 90% of NT put Illmatic as their #1 and encased it in a vault with reinforced concrete with a blast proof, fireproof heavy steel door and threw away the key, so they would come in and just say "no" and leave. The thing is, I'm curious as to how many ofthese dudes actually used their own opinion in placing Illmatic as #1 and how many were sheep who just went along with everyone else.
 
Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

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@ IWW being in anyone TOP anything...
Nay is on point yet again. I'm starting to believe people just tout it as something great because it was the follow-up to the greatest albumin hip-hop history.
 
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