Am I right to believe that God is also a vengeful god?

Originally Posted by davidisgodly

Originally Posted by Luong1209

If he is perfect, why did he create something (us) so imperfect?
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You haven't really understand to ask that.......yet
I know what your getting at, about adam and eve and how sin came upon man, but he is probably saying that if god is perfect and created manperfect adam and eve shouldn't have been fooled by a snake.
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Originally Posted by Stevenzsofly

They say God is all powerful and creator of all. Then can he make the rock he cannot move? Is so, he isn't all powerful. If not, he isn't creator of all.

If God is all knowing, then we humans don't have free will.
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Why do you assume God couldnt move a rock didnt he slam apretty big one into the Earth millions of years ago. And Im tired of these threads where yall tryin to understand God yall be the same dudes making threadsabout how to approach girls. Just fall back live your life. The God concept doesnt make since to me either but I been too much in my life to just turn my backon the Lord because its not logical alot of stuff that I've live through hasnt been logical to me either but some being bigger than me got me out ofsituations I cant explain how I got into in th first place

So to the OPs question I dont know I dont care. Try to conquer the earth and figure out all the earths secrets before you try to understand the creator of it
 
Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by Stevenzsofly

They say God is all powerful and creator of all. Then can he make the rock he cannot move? Is so, he isn't all powerful. If not, he isn't creator of all.

If God is all knowing, then we humans don't have free will.
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Why do you assume God couldnt move a rock didnt he slam a pretty big one into the Earth millions of years ago. And Im tired of these threads where yall tryin to understand God yall be the same dudes making threads about how to approach girls. Just fall back live your life. The God concept doesnt make since to me either but I been too much in my life to just turn my back on the Lord because its not logical alot of stuff that I've live through hasnt been logical to me either but some being bigger than me got me out of situations I cant explain how I got into in th first place

So to the OPs question I dont know I dont care. Try to conquer the earth and figure out all the earths secrets before you try to understand the creator of it
I really don't think you understand the question. It's funny because trying to understand the creator should be the first step intounderstanding what he created. It's a pretty simple question actually. Could the creator create something that even he can't control? In theory sincehe is all powerful and the creator he could, but if he did create something he can't control than that would not make him all powerful, it's aparadox...which the whole Religious(usually christian) God is. Not the God I believe in.
 
You talking about the same guy who both smited an entire city and flooded a whole planet when they displeased him? That dude? Yeah, I'd say that'spretty vengeful...

Another thing thats always bothered me about Christanity is the whole sacrifice thing...giving up your life kinda loses some of its meaning when you knowyou're immortal. Nother story 4 another time tho...
 
God as I know him is something who had the power to give life and make things revolve around that using his mind/imagination. Our universe is his imaginationand the way he makes room for more is getting rid of what's been around longest or what he's bored of.

Yeah life is just someones imagination gone wild. I think my altered state of mind has bought me upon life's secret...
 
Originally Posted by potus2028

giving up your life kinda loses some of its meaning when you know you're immortal. Nother story 4 another time tho...
Material life is not something you will bring w/ you to heaven. That what it means to lose life in this world is just the next process to reachheaven. You will be stripped of everything w/ you get to heaven. This is what I picked up from Univer. religion class.
 
Originally Posted by FreshOne12

Originally Posted by davidisgodly

Originally Posted by Luong1209

If he is perfect, why did he create something (us) so imperfect?
nerd.gif
You haven't really understand to ask that.......yet
I know what your getting at, about adam and eve and how sin came upon man, but he is probably saying that if god is perfect and created man perfect adam and eve shouldn't have been fooled by a snake.
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IMO
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EDIT: 10+ pages
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Well that's the thing, before Adam and Eve even "sinned", they were "imperfect" if you want to use that term. Remember Godonly created Adam and by association, Eve, in his image. His image and that's it. They lacked certain qualities--which they eventually gained, andsubsequently started the plight of "original sin" as we know of it...

Furthermore, God doesn't take credit for Good, and attribute the BAD to Satan. I mean, really, when was the last time that you did something good and thenall of a sudden, an all powerful--omniscient, omnipotent character just popped up and said--"Yooo I did that, that's all me right thereson..."...it's never happened that way. WE as humans attribute the consequences of our FREE WILL actions to either God or Satan.

The way I view things, God and Satan are passive generals in the War. We are presented with "options" through the natural workings of this world andwe make decisions and take directions by consulting our FREE WILL. The cumulative outcome of our decision making skills is what determines, in the very end,which side of the War we fought for...

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Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Originally Posted by FreshOne12

Originally Posted by davidisgodly

Originally Posted by Luong1209

If he is perfect, why did he create something (us) so imperfect?
nerd.gif
You haven't really understand to ask that.......yet
I know what your getting at, about adam and eve and how sin came upon man, but he is probably saying that if god is perfect and created man perfect adam and eve shouldn't have been fooled by a snake.
grin.gif
IMO
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EDIT: 10+ pages
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Furthermore, God doesn't take credit for Good, and attribute the BAD to Satan. I mean, really, when was the last time that you did something good and then all of a sudden, an all powerful--omniscient, omnipotent character just popped up and said--"Yooo I did that, that's all me right there son...



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See, the thing is, according 2 many passages in the Bible, that's PRECISELY what should happen. Every good deed you do is God working through you and hiswork and all that good stuff...but all the bad we do is a result of free will. Thats just one of the many reasons I'm a lapsed Christian...
 
Originally Posted by nnarum

I'm guessing god created these to test us too...
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In a previous post we touched on this. In some passages I think there were dinosaurs around. I don't think they were called that though.
 
Question for everybody in here:

How can GOD be all-knowing, yet people claim that we still have free-will? If GOD knows what's going to happen, then our choices have already been made,somebody explain please
 
Originally Posted by potus2028

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Originally Posted by FreshOne12

Originally Posted by davidisgodly

Originally Posted by Luong1209

If he is perfect, why did he create something (us) so imperfect?
nerd.gif
You haven't really understand to ask that.......yet
I know what your getting at, about adam and eve and how sin came upon man, but he is probably saying that if god is perfect and created man perfect adam and eve shouldn't have been fooled by a snake.
grin.gif
IMO
nerd.gif




EDIT: 10+ pages
roll.gif


Furthermore, God doesn't take credit for Good, and attribute the BAD to Satan. I mean, really, when was the last time that you did something good and then all of a sudden, an all powerful--omniscient, omnipotent character just popped up and said--"Yooo I did that, that's all me right there son...



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See, the thing is, according 2 many passages in the Bible, that's PRECISELY what should happen. Every good deed you do is God working through you and his work and all that good stuff...but all the bad we do is a result of free will. Thats just one of the many reasons I'm a lapsed Christian...
Here's my advice to you as a practicing Christian. Don't take the Bible literally. It's only a "guidebook" to help you alongthe way--give you some perspective. It is not the map to heaven, imo.

I am of this opinion because I'm very aware of mans ability to augment all facts to benefit himself and his condition. In other words, I believe the biblehas been given a few face lifts since it's inception as the written form of the Word of God. Like I said, I don't believe GOD actively takes credit forGOOD and leaves the BAD for SATAN.

But if you want to make things complex--let me ask you this. How do you know if something is really "Good", and if something is really"Bad"--especially when you come to the realization that we live finite lives. We don't live long enough to actively and conclusively determinethat something is Good or Bad. You would need to gauge an entire situation, and its effect and relation to all things and all people, over the entirety of whatwe call "TIME" in order to state and claim that something was Good or Bad. Of course that will never happen because we are finite organisms in afinite world trying to subdue and rationalize infinite concepts and entities.

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Originally Posted by ericberry14

Question for everybody in here:

How can GOD be all-knowing, yet people claim that we still have free-will? If GOD knows what's going to happen, then our choices have already been made, somebody explain please
You're trying to relate two very different things here.

Yes GOD is all knowing but what makes you think he is actively influencing our decisions. Our choices have been made by us, not him--YES He's cognizant ofthem but he has no part in that decision making process--That's free will working...

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I also have a question for everyone in here, and I'm not trying to troll, I'd really like to know what you think.


I'm assuming we all know a little bit about Ghandi and his philosophy. He practiced non-violence, and through that he was able to help gain IndianIndependence and civil rights for his people. He was all about peace and was a genuinely good soul, right? Now do you, most specifically Christians, believethat at this very moment and for the rest of eternity, Ghandi is burning and suffering in hell, right beside people like Hitler, Stalin, and Idi Amin?Regardless of the way he lived his life, do you believe Ghandi deserves that fate because he practiced Hinduism, and never accepted Jesus Christ as his savior?
 
Originally Posted by kiuyt856

I also have a question for everyone in here, and I'm not trying to troll, I'd really like to know what you think.


I'm assuming we all know a little bit about Ghandi and his philosophy. He practiced non-violence, and through that he was able to help gain Indian Independence and civil rights for his people. He was all about peace and was a genuinely good soul, right? Now do you, most specifically Christians, believe that at this very moment and for the rest of eternity, Ghandi is burning and suffering in hell, right beside people like Hitler, Stalin, and Idi Amin? Regardless of the way he lived his life, do you believe Ghandi deserves that fate because he practiced Hinduism, and never accepted Jesus Christ as his savior?
The real question that should be asked is whether Ghandi got the opportunity to get to know Jesus Christ and develop and affinity for him, clearlynot being literal, like he did Hinduism...
 
Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Question for everybody in here:

How can GOD be all-knowing, yet people claim that we still have free-will? If GOD knows what's going to happen, then our choices have already been made, somebody explain please
You're trying to relate two very different things here.

Yes GOD is all knowing but what makes you think he is actively influencing our decisions. Our choices have been made by us, not him--YES He's cognizant of them but he has no part in that decision making process--That's free will working...

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So god knows everything that is going to happen, he knows exactly what choice we are going to make everytime we are presented with a decision...But you say we still have free will.

If he knows how every aspect of one's life is going to turn out before it all happens... then that person's life is already mapped out for them &they are going along with that plan no matter what... where's the free will
 
Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Question for everybody in here:

How can GOD be all-knowing, yet people claim that we still have free-will? If GOD knows what's going to happen, then our choices have already been made, somebody explain please
You're trying to relate two very different things here.

Yes GOD is all knowing but what makes you think he is actively influencing our decisions. Our choices have been made by us, not him--YES He's cognizant of them but he has no part in that decision making process--That's free will working...

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All-knowing meaning that he knows the past, present, and future. If he already knows the future, he already knows what each one of us will dothroughout our lives. 20 years ago he knew that we would be having this discussion on Nike Talk. Meaning we already have a set path, meaning we have nofree-will. We're just following the path god has already seen.
 
I think I heard somewhere that if you died and had no opportunity to learn of Jesus, then you wouldn't necessarily go to hell.
Well, Ghandi referenced Jesus in a speech- "If a man Strikes you take no retaliation, Love that person even when they are hurting you.
Jesus said If a man strikes you on one cheek offer the other also. Love your enemies, do good to those that persecute you"
So Ghandi was aware of who Jesus was, and I'm sure he had knowledge of christianity because he knew about Jesus, and maybe even read some of the bible, buthe still chose not to convert. I think Ghandi had lots time to know Jesus Christ.
 
Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Question for everybody in here:

How can GOD be all-knowing, yet people claim that we still have free-will? If GOD knows what's going to happen, then our choices have already been made, somebody explain please
You're trying to relate two very different things here.

Yes GOD is all knowing but what makes you think he is actively influencing our decisions. Our choices have been made by us, not him--YES He's cognizant of them but he has no part in that decision making process--That's free will working...

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So god knows everything that is going to happen, he knows exactly what choice we are going to make everytime we are presented with a decision... But you say we still have free will.

If he knows how every aspect of one's life is going to turn out before it all happens... then that person's life is already mapped out for them & they are going along with that plan no matter what... where's the free will

Free will is a "device" for humans...not a device for God. So HE knows what our outcomes will be, OK cool--that's a given and quite frankly, notwhat you should be focused on. What you should be focused on is YOU--DO YOU--simply because you don't know what your outcome will be. That's why freewill is important and pertinent to the HUMAN SITAUTION, and not the GODLY-DIVINE situation.

Tell me, do you know whether you're going to hell or not--definitely NO. So over the course of your time here on earth, you owe it to yourself to dosomething to help you cause, or not...point is, you still have work to do and a life governed by free will to live. Just because HE knows the outcomedoesn't make the situation less pertinent to you as a human...

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So if you live your life in some isolated tribe unspoiled by the outside world, but you lived a loving and caring life, you will be banished to hell?
 
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