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"Prior to the 1930 season in the bigs, there were no ground-rule doubles. If the ball bounced out of the park, provided the first bounce was in fair territory, then it was a home run, no questions asked."
Any idea how many HRs Ruth hit that bounced? I handful in his career...MAYBE?

I dont understand how baseball seems to be the only sport where they just decide to not seperate generations. Babe Ruth and them aint play against any black/brown players, why should I give a %%%+ about his numbers?
Worst argument ever...or are you trying to be ironic? Tired argument that doesn't pass the logic test...


That is the point of seperating generations so that you can compare players to other players of THEIR OWN GENERATION to see where they should fit in the historical context of the game...

There were years that Ruth was hitting more HRs than entire teams...if hitting in a league with ONLY white pitchers was so easy...why was Ruth the only one hitting the way he was?

In 1921 Ruth hit 59 HR's...the guy with the second most HR's hit 24...Ruth hit 146% more HR's than the second closest player...that would be equivalent to Bonds hitting 157 HR's in 2002...


He is CLEARLY the greatest baseball player of all-time...there is no argument that can be made to contrary...he was a HOF pitcher BEFORE he became the best hitter of all-time...

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How are do you OP.

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image I just saw what I wrote. I meant to say "how dare you".

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Nobody even really lifted weights back then, dumb question...and if todays high-tech steroids still shrink your balls, give you acne, and mess you up in general imagine what steroids back then would of done...he would of looked like the elephant man.

imageimage just picturing babe ruth
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How are do you OP.

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image I just saw what I wrote. I meant to say "how dare you".

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How are do you OP.

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[Joker] Where does he such wonderful toys? [/Joker]
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And dont give me any crap like "because they steroids were not invented yet" image

Little suspicious how dude retired with almost 200+ homers more than the next closest players of his time period (Jimmie Foxx, Mel Ott, Lou Gherig). Also pitching in 17 games (12 of them complete) the same season he drives in 114 runs

thank you... seriously thank you. people are so blind and ignorant that they can't fathom steroids and other drugs WERE used before the 90's. there's no debating it folks, PED's have been around for decades, the Bash Brothers weren't the first to use em in the League... It's really a shame that today's players have to shoulder all the blame because they've been caught. How bout we just assume that 80% of players used (according to some MLB players) and just move on... *wishful thinking*






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post #68 of 87
I think its a little unfair to say everyone used PED's, I mean....the "anonymous list" that we all want to see only has 100+ players and there are 30 teams with 40-man rosters (which equals 1200 players not counting the minors). That is only about 12%.

Is the sport dirty yeah...but to say 80% of the players is a bit too drastic.

I'm just saying.
post #69 of 87
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I think its a little unfair to say everyone used PED's, I mean....the "anonymous list" that we all want to see only has 100+ players and there are 30 teams with 40-man rosters (which equals 1200 players not counting the minors). That is only about 12%.

Is the sport dirty yeah...but to say 80% of the players is a bit too drastic.

I'm just saying.

I mean, 80% might be a bit much, but that's straight from the horses mouth. I'll gladly turn this into an all out charade of who used/who didn't use since people wanna assume their favorite players are above suspicion. My boy has been Junior since I was like 6 years old, clipping box scores and stories out the newspaper and magazines daily, I was OBSESSED with him as a kid (20 now). People say "if anybody didn't use, it'd be him". Reality check, folks. Word for word, that's what was said about Palmeiro... imageI couldn't care less who's guilty of using; I feel like it was essentially a level playing field (excuse the pun) since both pitchers and hitters were using. But again, to crucify modern players (the notion that even dudes like Rob Deer, Dave Parker, Gorman Thomas, etc, etc, etc, from the 70's weren't using is ludacrous) And to those saying Ruth or anybody else couldn't have used "cuz they're fat", you're a big fat dummie... imageJust ask Mo Vaughn who just recently got caught up by the George Mitchell investigation...

Side note: What about Dock Ellis' no-hitter on acid? image




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A lot of people saying baseball is wack because there are cheaters.

LOL.

I'm sure football is steroid free. image


EXACTLY.

Baseball has PEDs, football has DUI, DWI, FBI and ATF.

Pick your poison
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laugh.gif @ yall keep saying he was fat. Having a slower metabolism coulda been a result of whatever he was taking

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Doesnt look fat here...
post #72 of 87
because his steroids at the time were hotdogs, beers, and hookers
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There is no way of knowing, and I'm going to say I doubt it because if the incurable optimist in me. The earliest I remember ball players saying Steroids/PED's came around was in the 70's, which is when it started to get pushed into pro sports. Can't say anything about earlier generations.
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There is no way of knowing, and I'm going to say I doubt it because if the incurable optimist in me. The earliest I remember ball players saying Steroids/PED's came around was in the 70's, which is when it started to get pushed into pro sports. Can't say anything about earlier generations.

"In 1954, a physician named John Ziegler attended the World Weightlifting Championships in Vienna, Austria, as the team's doctor. The Soviets dominated the competition that year, easily breaking several world records and winning gold medals in legions of weight classes. According to anecdotal reports, Ziegler invited the Soviet´s team doctor to a bar and the doctor told him that that his lifters had used testosterone injections as part of their training programs. Whether that story is true or not, ultimately, the Americans returned from the World Championships that year and immediately began their efforts to defeat the Soviets using pharmaceutical enhancement."




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post #75 of 87
Really though, weight lifting and baseball cannot be compared and shared under the same microscope when it comes to steroids. Weight lifters obviously thought it more beneficial to what they did than baseball players. And I'm certain that baseball players didn't get exposed, at least mainstream, to the idea of using steroids/PED's until the 70's. Weight lifting and baseball...Completely different.
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Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Really though, weight lifting and baseball cannot be compared and shared under the same microscope when it comes to steroids. Weight lifters obviously thought it more beneficial to what they did than baseball players. And I'm certain that baseball players didn't get exposed, at least mainstream, to the idea of using steroids/PED's until the 70's. Weight lifting and baseball...Completely different.

I know it's apples to oranges, but the fact remains steroids have been a part of competitive sports for alot longer than people are implying. When the usage and advantages of PED's are known and become widespread in one sport, common sense tells me it would take little for it to transcend that sport and, guess what? It becomes widespred in all of athletics in just a short time





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post #78 of 87
What I want to know is why the MLB and Selig bludgeon this crap to death. Think of the NFL, you KNOW that steroids had to run rampant behind the scenes in the NFL, yet they have done a much much better job at keeping the issues hush hush while applying much more stringent testing policies.




Instead of records in the NFL falling with a naturalized wonderment of if that player took roids, you get just another historic performance, whereas in baseball, it's almost assumed before proven that players with all the home run records and such have taken PED's.




The MLB has been very negligent in handling this and letting too much information out. It would be a much more enjoyable sport had they nipped this in the bud years ago and moved on like you know the NFL is doing. It's no mystery that amidst all this steroid mumbo jumbo the NFL has turned into "America's game," whereas the once favorite past time of America, baseball, has been dropping further down the ladder with each positive test.
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Instead of records in the NFL falling with a naturalized wonderment of if that player took roids, you get just another historic performance, whereas in baseball, it's almost assumed before proven that players with all the home run records and such have taken PED's.


Think about the average career span of the average big name baseball player compared to the NFL? Employee turnover in MLB is a lot slower which is why we still have quite a few lingering players from the height of the steroid era still around.
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^ That's true, but that wasn't what I was getting at.
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Every player who picked up a bat used steroids cept for Junior

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image @ yall keep saying he was fat. Having a slower metabolism coulda been a result of whatever he was taking

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Doesnt look fat here...



looks like a picture from his Boston days...
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Nice try, but that's a baby picture.
post #84 of 87
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Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

There is no way of knowing, and I'm going to say I doubt it because if the incurable optimist in me. The earliest I remember ball players saying Steroids/PED's came around was in the 70's, which is when it started to get pushed into pro sports. Can't say anything about earlier generations.

"In 1954, a physician named John Ziegler attended the World Weightlifting Championships in Vienna, Austria, as the team's doctor. The Soviets dominated the competition that year, easily breaking several world records and winning gold medals in legions of weight classes. According to anecdotal reports, Ziegler invited the Soviet´s team doctor to a bar and the doctor told him that that his lifters had used testosterone injections as part of their training programs. Whether that story is true or not, ultimately, the Americans returned from the World Championships that year and immediately began their efforts to defeat the Soviets using pharmaceutical enhancement."




M!ke



1954 America started to discover performance enhancing drugs? For weighlifting.

Babe Ruth had his best seasons right around 1920....anyone that thinks he was on roids is a moron...they were barely discovering vitamins in the 1920's.
post #85 of 87
thank you... seriously thank you. people are so blind and ignorant that they can't fathom steroids and other drugs WERE used before the 90's. there's no debating it folks, PED's have been around for decades, the Bash Brothers weren't the first to use em in the League... It's really a shame that today's players have to shoulder all the blame because they've been caught. How bout we just assume that 80% of players used (according to some MLB players) and just move on... *wishful thinking*
Check out this stat to see the sign of times...

In 1948, 9 players hit 30 HRs or more, 2 of those hit 40 or more
In 1958, 11 players hit 30 HRs or more, 3 of those hit 40 or more
In 1968, 7 players hit 30 HRs or more, 1 of those hit 40 or more
In 1978, 11 players hit 30 HRs or more, 2 of those hit 40 or more
In 1988, 5 players hit 30 HRs or more, 1 of those hit 40 or more

Now we move to 1998 and the next four years...

In 1998, 33 players hit 30 HRs or more, 13 of those hit 40 or more
In 1999, 44 players hit 30 HRs or more, 13 of those hit 40 or more
In 2000, 46 players hit 30 HRs or more, 16 of those hit 40 or more
In 2001, 40 players hit 30 HRs or more, 12 of those hit 40 or more


Players in this era shoulder more of the blame because they make millions of dollars, they completely blew up the record books, and collectively they all have pretty much denied ever doing anything which has always made everything worse. Drugs have been around for decades and so has cheating. However the cartoonish power records really started to pop up during this "era"......and with that comes the heat fair or not.

You do have to laugh though....in 1988 only five total players hit 30 HRs in the entire MLB. Ten short years later (1998) that number was up to 33 players.
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first smart response i heard in here
Steroids were created in the early 1930's
post #87 of 87
When Ruth was playing, he was playing against people who were part time mailmen, milkmen, insurance salesman.
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