Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein
he's more than capable to create that hot club banger/memorable dope single to garner attention for his albums and what not.
I don't see him making the type of songs that'll get crazy popular in today's hip hop but
??? And an example/evidence of that is_____
...but I do wanna believe what u saying...and it is true in the case of targeting his fanbase
I may have my NYC goggles on but I think he can make a song like Jay-Z's Can I Get A...., Money Aint A Thing, Izzo, Girls, Girls, Girls, etc. I think Cole can make singles in that fashion where they'd be hot enough to create that type of anticipation for his albums. I heard the signs for that potential on The Come Up and Friday Night Lights. Maybe I'm too much of a fan and not looking at it neutrally though but I think he's more than capable of it.
Thing is right now I think he's trying/forcing to do those records instead of just letting it happen. Like I see that with a lot of new artists where they think they HAVE to make a pop single (and that's somewhat true) so there's some stress/pressure to do it.
Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23
Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
That Work Out song isn't something you put on an album Cole. Better switch that over to that summer mixtape
The way some of yall talking got me thinking Cole just straight up
doesn't have it in him to be a star. Whether it just be him or a
combination of that and the ppl around him. I don't see him making the
type of songs that'll get crazy popular in today's hip hop but he's more
than capable to create that hot club banger/memorable dope single to
garner attention for his albums and what not.
I don't get what your basing this off of at all and I don't understand why for some people he HAS to be a star. Everybody doesn't start off as a star but you can grow into a star.
I understand it was a different musical climate but look at Jay when
he dropped, he had a critically acclaimed album that didn't go plat but
grew into a star. I would rather grow into stardom than be an overnight
success and then forgotten about in a few years because my
music/subject matter is stale. I can see that happening with some
hip-hop artists who have recently blow up ie Drake, Wize etc. Cole can
develop as artist but who is to say he HAS to be a star now or "doesn't
have it in him to be a star." Quite frankly that logic/assumption is
just ridiculous and I have yet to hear any reasonable/logical basis for
I think that's just based off him and
his reactions to these leaked songs. Cole knows if he doesn't have that
catchy single to make ppl buy his album there will be no album. That's
just the facts of it. I'm not particularly pressed on him becoming a
star right now or growing in to one. I'd be more happy if he kept his
artistic integrity and had artistic creativity on every song, on every
album and when he was satisfied with an album he'd get assurance that it
would see the light of day. Unfortunately this aint how it is in the
And in this climate, I can't really say Drake or Wiz automatically
became stars. They just found their niche and capitalized off it. Wiz
definitely grew in to a star. That's an artists 5+ years in the making.
I'd say the same for Drake to a lesser extent. The way Jay grew in to a
star has a whole lot of other variables you're not addressing or simply
ignoring to make a point but regardless I don't think many artists have
that chance to be taking years to "grow" until they become a star. The
way the format is now, you build your brand before you get signed, some
do it to a point they don't even necessarily need a major contract or a
co-sign from a major star already in the game to get on and blow up.
Cole got scooped up by Jay and now is basically a project as far as
branding and promoting goes. But this that same ol argument 100s of
pages back when dudes were talking about Cole being a regular guy that
could spit and didn't have the gimmick/theme or that "it" appeal to make
All I can say right now Cole is walking on that thin line of making it
to where he can live off rap comfortably not being too worried about his
album(s)s releasing and being one of those dope rappers that are living
semi through the underground going back to the drawing board living off
a grass roots movement like Little Brother did or currently Skyzoo or
Yo I hear what you are saying and I feel you on your points. I actually do not disagree. I just think the jury is out as to whether or not Cole as a project can work. I do not think that he necessarily has to follow the format that of the way every other artist is now. I think Cole is building is brand...its just as I said in a few posts earlier music fans especially hip-hop fans are impatient. They want everything NOW and expect everyone to be an overnight success....even the "fans" themselves do not appreciate the growth of an artist. I guess I am one of the few who does and has actually enjoyed Cole's growth over the past few years.