Man that's so disrespectful
I'm sure Ali could box better in his current state than Kobe can shoot the ball currently
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JR Smith has the record for most 3 point FGA's in a game with 22.. Kobe got this I believe in him
Academic research makes it clear that perceptions of performance in basketball are driven by two factors: scoring totals and wins. Bryant has scored. His teams have won. As such, people see him as not just an all-time great, but one of the all-time greats, on the very short list of basketball's best of the best.
Problem is, scoring totals do a poor job of how a player impacts wins in basketball. Wins are about how well a team—not a single heroic player shooting over two defenders, but a team—gains possession of the ball without its opponent scoring; keeps possession of the ball; and ultimately turns those possessions into points.
Step one involves grabbing defensive rebounds and forcing turnovers. Step two involves avoiding turnovers and grabbing offensive rebounds. Step three involves shooting efficiently and/or getting to the free throw line.
As basketball analytics expert Dean Oliver has put it, four factors explain wins: shooting efficiency, rebounds, turnovers, and free throws.
Using those four factors as a baseline, how good is Bryant? Let's make a few career comparisons. First, compare Bryant to Jordan.
Judging by the four factors, Jordan was better at everything:
Shooting efficiency (effective field goal percentage): Jordan 51 percent; Bryant 48 percent
Rebounds (per 48 minutes): Jordan 7.8; Bryant 7.1
Turnovers (per 48 minutes): Jordan 3.4; Bryant 4.0
Free Throw Attempts (per 48 minutes): Jordan 10.3; Bryant 10.0
Wins Produced is a statistic calculated by connecting all these factors—and everything else in the box score—to team wins. It's an attempt to evaluate just how much individual players contribute to the bottom line. If we look at this metric, we see that Bryant entering the current NBA season (we'll ignore the disaster that is 2015-16) produced 137.8 career wins, and that his career Wins Produced per 48 minutes (WP48) was 0.142.
Given that average WP48 is 0.100—an average team made up of five players produces 0.500 wins per 48 minutes—Bryant's numbers are good. Above average! But nowhere near Jordan, who finished his career with 208.5 Wins Produced and a WP48 of 0.244, making him twice as productive than an average player for the duration of his career.
So Bryant isn't Jordan. Fine. Guess what? He isn't Clyde Drexler (188.1 Wins Produced, 0.244 WP48) either, or even Reggie Miller (181.9 Wins Produced, 0.183 WP48). How is that possible? Well, Drexler was a better rebounder and shot more efficiently. And Miller—who finished his career with a 54 percent effective field goal percentage—was flat-out amazing at getting shots to go in the basket.
What about Ray Allen? Allen was selected before Bryant in the 1996 draft and played the same position as Bryant, shooting guard, until 2014. Over his career, Allen wasn't quite Bryant's equal at rebounding or getting to the free-throw line. However, his effective field goal percentage was 53 percent; relative to Bryant, he was much better at getting shots to go in the basket.
That matters. In fact, it's not surprising that Allen finished his career with 147.9 Wins Produced and a 0.154 WP48, making him a more productive player than Bryant.
Another good read.
From last season...
In 1988-89, Jordan produced 26.5 wins as a 25-year old shooting guard. Kobe’s best season was in 2002-03. As a 24-year old shooting guard for the LA Lakers, Kobe produced 13.0 wins. So each player hit his peak in his mid-20s (that is actually fairly normal for a basketball player). And at each player’s peak, Jordan was nearly twice as productive.
Across each player’s entire career (up until this season), it’s the same story. Jordan finished his career with the Bulls in 1998 (we will ignore his ill-fated return to the Washington Wizards when he was 38 years old).
Here is what MJ did for the Bulls:
35,887 minutes played
204.8 wins produced
0.274 wins produced per 48 minutes
Meanwhile, here are Kobe’s career numbers before this season:
45,225 minutes played
138.7 wins produced
0.147 wins produced per 48 minutes
Again, Jordan’s production of wins dwarfs Kobe’s. And contrary to what Jennings argued, Kobe actually had better teammates across his career. Entering this season, Kobe’s teammates averaged 0.117 wins produced per 48 minutes. In contrast, Jordan’s teammates with the Bulls produced only 0.106 wins per 48 minutes.
So Jennings appears to be quite wrong. Kobe has not come close to Jordan. And I want to take this a bit farther. Kobe has also not been as productive as a few other shooting guards. For example, Kobe has produced fewer wins in his career than the career production of Clyde Drexler, Reggie Miller and Ray Allen. And on a per-minute basis, Kobe has done less across his career than both Manu Ginobili and Dwyane Wade.
larry nance jr getting the start tho