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Where the already have 8 big men and are in a perpetual state of suck...sure
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^ Nothing else?
I'm pretty sure Kobe ranks top 15 in missed shots and turnovers.
(Also, while I'm with the Kobe criticism, I'm all for accuracy. Kobe is #14 in steals.)
I'm pretty sure Kobe ranks top 15 in missed shots and turnovers.
(Also, while I'm with the Kobe criticism, I'm all for accuracy. Kobe is #14 in steals.)
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All time Kobe is first in missed shots (and still going) and 4th in turnovers (behind Karl Malone, Jason Kidd and a surprising John Stockton - I suppose it's because of 19 years at a high level).
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No, it comes from about 15 years of horrible, forced decisions.
He's hardly played the last 3 years and his first year.
Wherever you got your info, where does Kareem rank all time on TOs? And where does Kobe rank in turrnovers per game, (if it has that)?
Wherever you got your info, where does Kareem rank all time on TOs? And where does Kobe rank in turrnovers per game, (if it has that)?
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Yea this shouldn't even be up for discussion at this point in time
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It's Stockton I was surprised about - Kobe makes total sense.
Kareem is 46th for turnovers - with about 2500 cf. almost 4000 for Kobe.
I can't see tpg - Kareem had 1.62 and Kobe has 3.00 so far.
I'm not sure I'd use that as a measure of greatness - Magic is a little lower on the list due to less games but he had 3.87 per.
Kareem is 46th for turnovers - with about 2500 cf. almost 4000 for Kobe.
I can't see tpg - Kareem had 1.62 and Kobe has 3.00 so far.
I'm not sure I'd use that as a measure of greatness - Magic is a little lower on the list due to less games but he had 3.87 per.
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He's top 11 or so in 3's.
So 3 categories, same as Duncan. Which debunks the new Doo's worthless point.
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Stats like that are position specific. (Come with the territory)
Power hitters hit home runs, and strike out.
PG's get ton of assists, and turnovers, cuz ball is in their hands every possession.
Play a long time, totals stack up. Malone, Kidd, Stock, Kobe, Bron, Magic, Isiah etc are guys that will have long careers, and turn it over 2-3 times a night.
Guys that are marginal players won't have ball, or play long enough to lead a list like that.
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Yeah, that's true. If you look at the turnovers list it's not far off the 50 greatest - it's usage and longevity combined so you would expect turnovers.
If it was turnovers per minute that might even be more telling. There's probably an even better way that weights it for usage or time of ball in hand or something but that's maybe going a bit far.
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Yeah, that's probably pretty good. I don't think there are 60 years of touch stats though - they didn't track a lot of stuff back then.
I did spot that Harden is averaging something like 4.5 per game this year which is pretty brutal.
I did spot that Harden is averaging something like 4.5 per game this year which is pretty brutal.
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Whatever stat shows Kobe in the top 10 of TOs, I'm with it, especially if it has Magic and Kidd outside of it. 
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That one doesn't exist
No doubt, it's impossible to track olden days. They probably can now tho.
It's a relative thing.
Whatever stat shows Kobe in the top 10 of TOs, I'm with it, especially if it has Magic and Kidd outside of it.
Uhhhhhhhh.....?
That doesn't exist B.
Also, Kobe isn't top 15 in FG made, or FT made?
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Most of those "categories" Duncan in the top 15 of them too not mention having higher defensive ratings.
And you know damn well, when stat categories are discussed they are basically talking about the top 5....points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals maybe PER gets brought up sometimes.
And you know damn well, when stat categories are discussed they are basically talking about the top 5....points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals maybe PER gets brought up sometimes.
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Yeah, so Kobe is top 15 in
MVP award shares
Points
3's
FG's
FT's
Games
Minutes
VORP
Steals
Offensive Win Shares
Turnovers
Usage %
28th in assists
But yeah, only scoring was the original post. Nothin else
Welp. Trolls gonna troll.
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Dude you're in the Kobe/ Laker Haters thread.
Caping for Kobe in this thread is trolling.
Caping for Kobe in this thread is trolling.
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Dude you're in the Kobe/ Laker Haters thread.
Caping for Kobe in this thread is trolling.
