Keeping Carmines and Fire Red v's ICY

Originally Posted by Jumpman23shoeFan

For everyone that keeps telling me to wear them.... Whats wrong with collecting? I want to save every CDP and keep them 100% DS. Is something wrong with that? Would it not be cool to have every jordan 1-23 ( I have a pair of 23's) in perfect deadstock shape 10-20 years from now? IMO it would be, thats why I ask. Basicaly you guys are saying it is vertualy impossible to keep them ICY? I mean I see some Infared's that look pretty dam close to ICY. Is silica packs enough? Any more help would be great... Thanks
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Well, it's just that CDPs are absolute junk compared to OGs and older retros. Not to rain on your parade but, CDPs aren't going to accumulate much infuture value as opposed to an OG Powder Blue X - which by the way I have seen deadstock for 250 on ebay. Personally, for CDPs they're better to just wearrather than keep them for future necessity. I commend you for being so bold to embark on the endeavor, but to me, it seems futuile. YELLOWING IS A PART OFLIFE....OF JORDANS THAT IS.
 
Originally Posted by HobbyRockswiththewhitemilk

Well, it's just that CDPs are absolute junk compared to OGs and older retros. Not to rain on your parade but, CDPs aren't going to accumulate much in future value as opposed to an OG Powder Blue X - which by the way I have seen deadstock for 250 on ebay. Personally, for CDPs they're better to just wear rather than keep them for future necessity. I commend you for being so bold to embark on the endeavor, but to me, it seems futuile. YELLOWING IS A PART OF LIFE....OF JORDANS THAT IS.
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You say that now... but CDP's probably even 3 years from now will have significant value. I've been in the game long enough to realize any retro, 3 or so years from their release will start to slightly increase in value. Look at flint and bred XIII's. I have them DS and got them when they came out. It seems like just yesterday, although it was over 4 years ago... and look at the price of them DS now. You hold any Jordan for 10+ years and keep them DS, they are gunna be worth alot.
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Originally Posted by Jumpman23shoeFan

Originally Posted by HobbyRockswiththewhitemilk

Well, it's just that CDPs are absolute junk compared to OGs and older retros. Not to rain on your parade but, CDPs aren't going to accumulate much in future value as opposed to an OG Powder Blue X - which by the way I have seen deadstock for 250 on ebay. Personally, for CDPs they're better to just wear rather than keep them for future necessity. I commend you for being so bold to embark on the endeavor, but to me, it seems futuile. YELLOWING IS A PART OF LIFE....OF JORDANS THAT IS.
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You say that now... but CDP's probably even 3 years from now will have significant value. I've been in the game long enough to realize any retro, 3 or so years from their release will start to slightly increase in value. Look at flint and bred XIII's. I have them DS and got them when they came out. It seems like just yesterday, although it was over 4 years ago... and look at the price of them DS now. You hold any Jordan for 10+ years and keep them DS, they are gunna be worth alot.
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sorry buddy... thats not true....... especially with that quality of the CDP + VI's eventually crumble (probably faster in CDPs case). PlusDS XIII's pretty much have jumped in price right after they have sold out and have gone done since then. Not all shoes that are held on to 10+ years aregoing to be worth alot like you say i.e. OG XII's and others..... So like people have said before, just wear, take care of and enjoy your shoes. Its niceto collect shoes.... but shoes are meant to be worn and seen, not storaged in a dark closet. The only reason why i would DS a pair of shoes is because i haveanother pair to rock, and when im done wearing those... i got a fresh pair to keep it moving with.
 
the clear sole is definitely going to yellow up but as long as you don't turf them badly, you'll prolong the PISS yellow. after many years my shoesremain lightly yellow..
 
Strange to see how many people put in ziplock or saran or in plastic but in the maint. forum the dude says the ABSOLUTE WORST thing to do is put in saran orziplock and silica bec ause the silica dries the shoes up and they will crack if you try to wear them.... I don't know what the right answer is... Ihavetalked to a few guys on here who take the paper out and put the garbage bag inplace of it... I think thats what I will do with any DS ice soles....
 
From the maintenance thread that you supposedly read, and others obviously haven't.

Originally Posted by Blazers21NTNP


The over-packing and repainting windows in a room black and putting the closet on a separate air
conditioning system and making a bubble out of everything is getting insane.

1) Shoes are made of pliable material. To be pliable, they must have some form of moisture in the material to remain that way. Sealing them in plastic bags, and adding silica packs, which REMOVES the moisture from the shoes, is going to literally ruin the shoes.

2) Shoes, if they dry out, are going to crack when you wear them. Everyone crying about creasing this and cracking that, it's because you aren't taking preventive measures beforehand to wearing them. I live in the desert, and really worried about a lot of people getting the Mars early, and talking about it creasing badly. So I doused mine with Armor All, and let them sure a day or two before wearing them, and have had no more creasing in them than any other shoe I've bought.

3) Keeping them out of direct sunlight or large sources of heat are about the best solutions to dead stocking them. Hermetically sealing them away from all the elements and leaving them in the closet is simply going to leave you with rotted out shoes or cracked ones the first time someone wears them. Yes, a silica pack is a good idea to help control moisture, but that's if you WEAR them, and are actually increasing the amount of moisture present around the shoe. Sealing a breathable material in an airtight bag with a silica packet, you might as well douse them in lighter fluid and toss a match in the box, because they're going to be ruined regardless.

4) I think everyone is overdoing the silica pack-and-replace every 6 weeks bit too. They're designed to last longer than people think. I'm using damp rid in the closet, which I think is a lot smarter than a 10 gram bag of silica in the box next to the shoe. With the Damp Rid, it's in a container, removes moisture from the air, and isn't sitting on top of a shoe. You realize that what a silica pack does is absorbs the moisture around it, but what happens when it can't absorb more? It leaks, all over what's next to it. Just get a $5 quart sized container of damp rid, and use the canister it provides, and leave it near the bottom of the closet where it can't be kicked over.





Puff, puff. PUFF! Pass the papers dude!:
This is kind of dopey, no pun intended, but I thought I'd bring it up anyways. Paper has a natural acid in them anyways. You wouldn't believe the artwork I've seen ruined because some dink grabbed the wrong mat, or the customer was just cheap. The papers in the boxes, I can promise you, are not acid free. Acid free paper tends to be about 4 times higher on average than normal paper. Does that mean go out and buy 800 yards of acid free liner paper? No. The amount of acid in the paper in those boxes is so low, and there is so minimal pressure against the shoes, it isn't going to matter. The older papers with the ink on them are a little more troublesome. Take the paper out, fold it and save it. I know those are nostalgic since it?s been probably 10 years since Nike used it.

Plastic can kill you, and I don't mean Visa & MasterCard.
Moving on from the pains of paper brings us to the sheer stupidity of plastic. Wrapping shoes in cellophane, i.e. Saran Wrap, ranks right next to a screen door installed on a submarine, and slightly below a 3rd class ticket on the Titanic. Plastic wrap shrinks folks. And when it shrinks, it adheres to whatever it touches. And then whatever it touches cannot breathe, dries out, and then becomes stuck to the cellophane. Which means after you carefully unwrap your shoes, the next thing happening will be your mother washing your mouth out with soap for every 4 letter word you scream that can be heard within a 5 block radius.

Storage; it isn't just about gigabytes.
You can safely leave the shoes in the boxes, and not make a dark room out of the place. How can you possibly enjoy collecting anything if you have to look at it in a dark room, with he lights off, and only a pencil flashlight to look at them? For those who think behind glass is great for showing them off, you're right. They would look awesome in a case o whatever for display. But spend the extra money. Buy conservation glass, even go to the nonglare. Regular glass is like $15 for a 32x40 inch sheet. Conservation is typically about $40, and nonglare conservation is about $60. I've seen it online for less than that even if you know how to cut it. Conservation glass has a protective film on one side to block out the UV rays normally around. These panes of glass are also guaranteed to protect from damage to the display for over 100 years, some up to 140 I believe. If you're 140 when the glass goes, wearing or displaying Jordans is most likely the least of your problems.

For storage, use a silica pack, not a gross national products worth of it. One is more than enough. Buy some Damp Rid in the canisters to put in the closet. It does wonders. You are trying to keep the sweat from absorbing into the shoes, not to keep the moisture in the leather from drying out. Also, try not storing one box on top of another, on top of another on top of another on top of another. All you are doing is putting a lot of smelly, sweaty shoes in one place, and they are basically keeping the sweat and funk from the other shoes in them. Stack them side by side, upright or horizontal on a shelf, with some room above them for air to pass through and clean them out.

As far as Ziploc bags, I don't think this is any better than Saran Wrap in regards to sealing them up. The leather has to breathe. Locking it in an airtight container, and then hoping 15 years down the road its going to be crispy when it comes out is insane. Once you take it out 15 years from now, you WILL pass out from the smell of rotten leather, and if you come to and wear the shoes, they'll crack like a sidewalk.


PLEASE GIVE CREDIT TO chernabog915 for taking time to create and edit this post. I truely hope it serves it's purpose and helps educates our community.
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GSTBMN's post above me ^, is IMO, the all around the best grouping of info. to help you, OP.

Deff.would NOT wrap my skips in plastic ..or worse yet, SARAN WRAP? ..please, do NOT do that.

None of my business WHY you'd prefer to keep shoes DS for long periods of time, seems like the community's split about that. I have DS skips, butI'll rock'em eventually. I don't buy shoes I won't wear, but that's just me. Blah.

I'm in love w/V's & VI's ..so I feel you on wanting the ice, to be ICEY. That said? ..time/storage variables, and of course use ..willyellow the ice REGARDLESS. As others have said, you want'em clear again? Cop Seaglow, wait for a sunny day, and do work. That simple.

I have all my skips "on display", I don't keep'em boxed. The silica packets work super well for me because I WEAR 90% of my kicks. After awear?..set'em back in their place, chuck the packets inside?..1/2hour later they are 100% & good to go. If you keep ya'skips all boxed up, gow/what dude said about Damp Rid, IMO.

If your only goal is to keep'em DS, AND icey, in box, for years? ..No paper, Damp Rid. Period.

I live on the east coast, and the crib is climate controlled to a T.
I don't have yellowing due to weather/storage ..this dope lil'invention called air-condition helps me out there a lot. Keepin'em in a dark, cool,dry spot, is key to maintaining'em in pristine condition w/the least amount of effort.


Good luck & stuff.

JM2C..

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I think I'm going to just replace paper with a garbage bag and put a dam rid in my closet and hope for the best. For the person who says DMP'swon't increase, VI/XVI and XI/XII packs are already close to $500 ob ebay and such. Imagine DS packages even 3 years from now. I'm not gunna arguethough, thats just my opinion.
 
Damn you guys seran wrap them and put em in ziploc like they are some damn sandwiches! They are shoes!! I think it looks sicker when they are older and you cantell they are older, they look legit like that. I never did any of that crap to my Cool Grey XI's or any of my shoes that could have used it, and they havea small amount of yellowing. But I think it looks better. Like how now if me or you or anyone were to see a pair of OG Black/Red 1's from 1984 we'd belike "Damn those look sooo ill!!" and we would just be able to tell right away what year they are from.

So, let's say you keep them all DS somehow, and never touch them or let them breathe for 20 years or whatever......okay now its 2029, what are you going todo with them? Let them breathe and see the light of day and then let them get yellow? I have a feeling Jordans are not going to be worth as much as everyonethinks they are. They are just shoes. I think that when that time comes people will be like "You have the Vi's and the xi's and the xii's???those are whack, only Fusions are cool (or whatever hideous inventions jordan brand has come out with by then, assuming they are still around)."

Anyways, just my opinion. Thats why I am selling all of mine now, before anyone realizes what they are spending their money on.
 
Originally Posted by Jumpman23shoeFan

For everyone that keeps telling me to wear them.... Whats wrong with collecting? I want to save every CDP and keep them 100% DS. Is something wrong with that?
Would it not be cool to have every jordan 1-23 ( I have a pair of 23's) in perfect deadstock shape 10-20 years from now? IMO it would be, thats why I ask.
Basicaly you guys are saying it is vertualy impossible to keep them ICY? I mean I see some Infared's that look pretty dam close to ICY. Is silica packs
enough? Any more help would be great... Thanks
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1st of all, Christ could come back before then. i say that to say nothing is guaranteed, ESPECIALLY time so just enjoy while u still can.

2nd, infrareds and cdp 6s are 2 totally different shoes. the ice is 2 totally different materials.
 
Originally Posted by CharmCityKid

there is no way to keep the cdp ice icey. it come pre-yellowed so u might as well just forget about this altogether and just wear and enjoy them. otherwise ur gonna have piss yellow DS carmines & fr 5s.
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I guess you're right, I just recieved my 6/17's package which is DS... and the Carmines do come pre-yellowed a tad.
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Just wear them dude icy soles on evey cdp shoe are bad quality some where already yellowed even if they where brand new .......... so basicly JB screwedeveryone even u so there really aint much u can do.
 
DO NOT wrap your shoes in saran wrap! The saran wrap will eventually bond to the materials of the shoes and starve it for air and moisture. If you store yourshoes this way for long periods of time, when you unwrap the shoe the leather and other materials will be completely rotted due to lack of moisture and air,smell horrid, and the they will literaly fall apart.

Fully zipped and sealed ziplock bags are not a good idea either. Although the bag will not bond to the shoe, they will still be starved for air and moistureneeded to keep the leather/materials fresh.

Silica packets or other moisture removal products are a good idea in humid climates when used properly. Do not allow the silica packets to rest on or touch theshoes, when they have absorbed their capacity of moisture, they will start to leak out.

After I did my research and experimented myself, I found that my best option in my climate is to not use silica packets or completely seal the shoes. I cut thezippers off of the larger ziplock bags and put 1 shoe in each and generally the toe sticks out a few inches on each shoe. Then I just set them inside the boxon top of the tissue paper making sure that the materials don't rest on the tissue paper that wicks moisture out of the shoe. The Ziplock acts as a barrierthat does not absorb from the shoes.

My midnight VIs are the iciest pair around and this is how I've stored them. Oh and I have 6 pairs of Carmines that I plan to bust out every 5 years or so!
 
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