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Listen to MaZe, and get your information correct!
Worst designer to have on your team: Peter Moore or Gentry??
- Thread in 'Jordan Brand' Thread starter Started by ogbumslie2u,
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well i think Gentry ruined Jordan Brand... to bad that guy who never had a date since 1984 didnt go postal in Gentry's office instead of that LA fitnessgym.
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I going with Moore on this one also. Gentry has made some stupid decisions and has ruined some of the classic air jordans by fusing them with Air Force ones.
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I wouldn't even hire Gentry Humphrey as the tea boy!
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this mans right and gentry is just a puppet who just run the bizness of jb (i dont think he could color in the lines anyway).
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LOL, thinking Gentry is a designer...
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QFT
Whether YOU like it or not...the brand recently passed the $1 BILLION sales mark, and the majority of that growth was with Gentry at the helm...over the last 5years...
$1 BILLION in sales!
You're a lame..."sabotage an established brand"...really? Dude was put in the position he was in previously to sell shoes, and he did thatBETTER than anyone else in his industry for the entire time he was in that position...
Not sure if you have ever worked...in say, something like...I don't know...business...but, at the end of the year, when you are up for performance reviewthere isn't a column for "Positive Niketalk Threads"...it is about SALES and DOLLARS...Nike is in business to make money...and with Gentryproviding direction, Jordan Brand was taking in money hand over fist...
Your argument is weak at best and your facts are wrong...
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i'll go with moore
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gentry a designer?
please tell me your joking. wait........i am on niketalk in 2009.
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The thread is now offically over!!!!
Tell'm JM, these kids don't understand what BUSINESS is all about!!! Whenever someone says " Gentry ruined JB" they have no idea what theyare talking about because JB is in the business of making money and Gentry continues to make more and more for JB year after year. You guys might hate the factthat he makes you buy packs and doesn't retro colorways you want and whatever other arguments you wanna make but the facts are facts... Gentry makes JB****loads of money and hasn't ruined anything. The ONLY way you will prove your clainms of Gentry ruining JB will be when quarterly reports start coming inwith profits going down. Which means as long as you guys are buying JB products you are helping Gentry make those numbers. Complain all you want about Gentrythis and Gentry that but the guy knows what sells because I'm guessing 95% of every Jordan Brand product that hits shelves sells out, name another shoecompany that can boast that as well!!!!
EDIT... And for the record GENTRY IS NOT A DESIGNER HE IS HEAD OF MARKETING!! Get your facts straight kiddies before you go jumping on the bandwagon so atleast you can KNOW what you are talking about!!!!
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If you're going to dump on someone's work, please familiarize yourself with what they actually do.
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y the triple post?
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So who is responsible for airForce Jordans?
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1) The Wings logo was NOT recycled. Peter Moore created it, at that. He designed the mark specifically for AIR JORDAN.
2) Saying the Air Jordan I specifically broke someone's foot is ridiculous. The shoe wouldn't still be on the market and MJ wouldn't have broughtthe shoes out of his own personal closet over a decade later to wear them at Madison Square Garden in an NBA game if that were the case.
3) Peter Moore did NOT design the Nike Dunk.
Way too much misinformation in this thread. The original question doesn't even make sense.
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Wow...
While I appreciate the OP for trying to create an intelligent thread, you really should have checked your facts before you did.
1. Moore only designed the Jordan 1, he had nothing to do with the Jordan II.
2. Why would anyone consider Moore the worst designer when he is the person who designed the shoe that started the Air Jordan legacy???
3. Nike did not fire Moore. Moore and Rob Strasser left Nike to start their own company.
4. Why would you even compare the two? Moore designed the Air Jordan 1 and Gentry is a director at Brand Jordan and never designed anything. The two peoplehave/had completely different rolls at Nike/Brand Jordan.
5. While we as collectors may be mad at the quality of retros and don't like fusions and crazy colorways, you cannot deny the fact that Gentry made moneyfor Brand Jordan, and that is his job... to make them money.
6. This is a completely misguided and pointless thread.
While I appreciate the OP for trying to create an intelligent thread, you really should have checked your facts before you did.
1. Moore only designed the Jordan 1, he had nothing to do with the Jordan II.
2. Why would anyone consider Moore the worst designer when he is the person who designed the shoe that started the Air Jordan legacy???
3. Nike did not fire Moore. Moore and Rob Strasser left Nike to start their own company.
4. Why would you even compare the two? Moore designed the Air Jordan 1 and Gentry is a director at Brand Jordan and never designed anything. The two peoplehave/had completely different rolls at Nike/Brand Jordan.
5. While we as collectors may be mad at the quality of retros and don't like fusions and crazy colorways, you cannot deny the fact that Gentry made moneyfor Brand Jordan, and that is his job... to make them money.
6. This is a completely misguided and pointless thread.
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1) The Wings logo was NOT recycled. Peter Moore created it, at that. He designed the mark specifically for AIR JORDAN.
2) Saying the Air Jordan I specifically broke someone's foot is ridiculous. The shoe wouldn't still be on the market and MJ wouldn't have brought the shoes out of his own personal closet over a decade later to wear them at Madison Square Garden in an NBA game if that were the case.
3) Peter Moore did NOT design the Nike Dunk.
Way too much misinformation in this thread. The original question doesn't even make sense.
1.) Moore had the logo created BEFORE he showed it to Jordan. I know for a fact the Wings logo originally read "Nike" inside the banner. There are Air Jordan I samples that prove this true. Im almost sure the Nike version of the Wings logo showed up on at least one other sample shoe other than the Jordan I.
2.) My mistake, he actually broke his foot in the Air Jordan IIs. And its believable that a shoe can break your foot if it doesnt provide the proper support around the ankle, forefoot, etc.
3.) Peter Moore DID design the Nike Dunk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Jordan#Air_Jordan_I
quote: "Designed by Peter Moore and released in 1985, the Air Jordan I pair of sneakers was considered a breakthrough in basketball shoe design,[sup][1][/sup] although its design was improved upon later with the Nike Dunk."
http://theshoegame.com/Nike-Air-Jordan-1.html
quote: "This is the Jordan that started it off back in 1985. The Air Jordan I has a very similar design to the Nike Dunk, designed by Peter Moore. "
You are quoting hearsay and random oblivious "facts" that have passed down through the years which have ZERO relation to reality.
I INTERVIEWED Peter Moore and asked him these specific questions. You are sourcing from Wikipedia and 7th-hand sourcing. I have spoken to Moore directly.
- The Wings logo was created for AIR JORDAN only. Other samples you may have seen with the "NIKE" Wings logo were done either unauthorized by factorycountries or later on after Moore had left Nike. He did not copy or authorize ANY Wings logo with NIKE text.
- I also asked Peter Moore SPECIFICALLY if he had designed the Nike Dunk, and he said he did not. He also did not know who may have. Nike Dunk came after AirJordan 1, and Moore may not have even been at the company at that point when the Dunk was being put together and released.
Aside from those FACTS, go back and read the "sources" you quoted. The TSG sentence is either written improperly or confusing as the author may havewanted to state that Peter Moore designed the Air Jordan 1 instead of the Nike Dunk. If not, it's FALSE information. And the Wikipedia quote you selecteddoes NOT even mention Moore as being the Nike Dunk designer, so that doesn't add anything to the case.
I've asked these questions to Peter Moore myself so there wouldn't be any more confusion on topics like this where a decade worth of random Internetchatter gets passed down as fact and "cemented" in Wiki history books where the authors are just guessing.
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Way to stick to your guns, dude... even when you are wrong.
Although... MJ did break his foot while wearing the I's, not the II's. You were right the first time, so it seems you are little confused.
And continuing to insist that it was the shoe's fault that MJ broke his foot is just ridiculous. You are just making random statements... you have no ideawhat caused MJ's foot to break. That argument needs to stop.
Also, just because there is a version of the wings logo that says "Nike" in the banner, doesn't mean that the logo was recycled or was notcreated for MJ.
One more thing... I read an interview with Jesse Leyva, Nike Design Director for Sport Culture, and he said it was NOT Peter Moore who designed the Dunk:
http://www.sneakerfreaker.com/articles/Nike-Dunk---Jesse-Leyva-Interview/
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It is NEVER smart to site your source of information as Wikipedia....
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Considering Gentry hasnt designed a damn thing....
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yea dude u just got owned by MAZE
i have a lot more posts than u and more knowledge. yea u been here longer but u still ask dumb stuff like this
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Well, I've got nothing left to say since MaZe basically shut it down...
