Kobe: "It's harder to get to the basket than when Jordan played"

Originally Posted by K8be wan Kenobi

yea jordan had hand checking but he also had a bunch of unathletic dudes guarding him in his day. i mean if he says joe dumars was the toughest guy that guarded him back in the day that really says a lot about the dudes hes facing.
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athleticism does not = good defense.

guys back then would play you tough and scrappy. maybe they couldn't jump the highest or were the quickest, but that doesn't matter.

i was at a camp once and John Stockton was there.. you would think "ehhh... unathletic white guy" but dude was tenacious. it's not about your athleticism, it's about positioning, angles, and playing smart


yes obviously athleticism doesnt equate to good defense but youre joking yourself if you think craig ehlo is stopping the players today driving by him nomatter how great his angles are.
 
It's alot harder to get to the basket but much easier to get to the foul line. Refs are more whistle happy now. The sad part about what KB24 said is thatplayers today still can't shoot even with the zone forcing them to.
 
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That cant be said about Kobe.His mid range game and 3 point range is better than Jordan's.Also if you watch Laker games Kobe draws a lot of foul's onpump fakes where he is going up for a jumper.If you watch Wade & Lebron they rely a lot of their offensive scoring by driving to the hoop to score and drawtheir fouls that way mostly.
 
Kobe actually may be right. It IS harder for him to get quite to the basket, because odds are that the refs will call a foul on the player who is guarding himbefore he gets all the way to the basket, due to weak rules that don't allow proper defense to be played.
 
Sure it a lot easier to get past your initial defender but now with the new rules all they do is pack the inside and force you to make your jump shots. I seefar less penetration to the basket nowadays. Jordan was able to isolate on the weak side and blow by defenders with guys like Ewing coming in a second late andgetting posterized
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I agree fully. Especially with the part about people not being able to enjoy Kobe's greatness because they are always trying to find ways to discredit him.And that extends beyond Kobe as well because a lot of Kobe supporters will do the same thing to discredit another great player.
 
Originally Posted by outacontrol music

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But, Kobe...try tellin that to LeBron.
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I think the difference between Kobe going to the hole and Bron is nobody has the balls to get in front of Lebron drivin to the hoop. In terms that most ofthe so called top "defenders" in the L can use to play D against Bron, they would have to start their flop around, say, the free throw line whileBron is just getting his drive started around the three point line. That way guys like Bell, Ginobili, the other Suns, can take the charge without any contactwhatsoever. Very clever those guys are. Clever indeed.
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Originally Posted by Craftsy21

Not to mention how charge-happy officials have gotten the last 5-10 years... back when Jordan played, it was a man's game.. guys took contact and dealt with it.. now it's rare you see anybody make a nice drive to the hoop b/c somebody will always be there to go flying 15 feet backwards, even if they're 10x bigger than you.
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exactly.
 
i was at a camp once and John Stockton was there.. you would think "ehhh... unathletic white guy" but dude was tenacious. it's not about your athleticism, it's about positioning, angles, and playing smart


yeah, players are more athletic, but they don't make the right decisions aka playing smart. how many times have you seen a player go over to double team ascrub that most likely won't shoot?
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Originally Posted by FrenchBlue23

kobe>jordan, just accept it!
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That's why kobe is hated so much, because of comments like that.

and thats why people hated jordan. its HIS opinon. let him have it. every generation has its greatest player of all time. dr. j, wilt, jordan, etc. i wishyou people could understand that. remember, this board is YOUNG. they prolly never seen jordan play so the greatest player to them might be kobe...
 
I think u2 are missing the point...yea it might be easier to go by the guy who's sticking you...but it doesn't matter if u get by your man and there's 2 guys waiting for you right outside the paint....Back in Jordan's era yea it was harder to get by your man but if you did get by him you didn't have to deal with 2 or 3 guys waitin on you like you do now becuz of the the new zone rules

Defense is played by a team...not one player....more so now than back then..


Oh yeah, I totally agree on that. But coming from an outside point, looking at the fact that Stern has made the leauge soft. I hate the fact that teams playzone. I mean, you do what you can to win, thats forsure. But from an entertainment standpoint, I would love to see man to man more often (no amechi)

But yeah, what Kobe said is true. Just without really thinking about it, it doesnt seem true. After looking at the overall picture, its totally right.
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college = zone = low scoring
nba in 80's - 90's = no zone = high scoring
nba now = zone = low scoring

that's not just by coincidence.
 
I completely agree with what is said because the truth is the world does not want anyone to be better than MJ. Not saying kobe is but think about it. Everyoneused to get hyped up over who the next MJ would be and then Kobe came along. People realized he might actually fit the part and then backed off realizing theydon't want it to happen. Obviously Kobe has given some reasons for people to hate which doesn't help, but now all people look for is reasons that he isnot MJ or not as good as he could be. Whether people think Kobe is or will ever be better is one thing, but the fact that so many people are going to miss outon enjoying one of the best ever playing and not appreciate it, is unfortunate.
 
yea jordan had hand checking but he also had a bunch of unathletic dudes guarding him in his day. i mean if he says joe dumars was the toughest guy that guarded him back in the day that really says a lot about the dudes hes facing.
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The other guys are right, just because they are unathletic doesn't mean they are bad on D. Kobe has said Eric Snow plays the best D on him out ofanyone in the league. How athletic is he?
 
What is he saying.

Kobe can't avg 35 in 90s.

Dude should've known alread that d was harder pause back then.

He should feel very fortunate that he's playing at this era.
 
^Seriously...If any of you ever watched Jordan play....His Midrange game is head and shoulders above Mr. Bryant. His jumpers are always under control.
 
Originally Posted by lakerz4sho

college = zone = low scoring
nba in 80's - 90's = no zone = high scoring
nba now = zone = low scoring

that's not just by coincidence.
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college = zone = low scoring
nba in 80's - 90's = no zone = high scoring
nba now = zone + lack of shooting fundamentals = low scoring
 
Tony Parker?


TP doesn't get double & triple+++ teamed game in and game out.
KB also doesn't have the luxury of having Duncan & The Weasel to draw defenders and open up the lane+court.


that said, it's a different era/game nowadays. i don't like it much either, but it is what is.
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