2nd best Designer behind Tinker Hatfield? Opinions?

Avar and Tinker are equal in my mind.

Avar is probably # 1 due to the amount of faliures Tinker has designed.

Anybody want to just start llisting shoes all these diff designers have made? I'll compile the list if you post the info.

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Anybody want to just start llisting shoes all these diff designers have made? I'll compile the list if you post the info.

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It's scattered throughout this thread.



Can anybody list the designers of all Lebron's signature shoes?

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I think only the Kitchen gets that REAL leeway. I wish I could be a PLM for the Kitchen designers.

As a matter of fact if the all the above dudes were in the kitchen Nike would be on some BRAND new #%@ working under Eric Avar...

For real.

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What would you think of if Jordan Brand had a few designers/deveopers working on just straight innovation.. kinda like an IK for Jordan Brand, but just areally small group?

Originally Posted by JFMartiMcDandruff

Originally Posted by abernja

Anybody want to just start llisting shoes all these diff designers have made? I'll compile the list if you post the info.

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It's scattered throughout this thread.



Can anybody list the designers of all Lebron's signature shoes?

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I believe Ken Link did 2-6 and Jason Petrie did the 7. Not sure who did the AZG

Originally Posted by hawkflight6

Originally Posted by JFMartiMcDandruff

Originally Posted by abernja

Anybody want to just start llisting shoes all these diff designers have made? I'll compile the list if you post the info.

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It's scattered throughout this thread.



Can anybody list the designers of all Lebron's signature shoes?

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I believe Ken Link did 2-6 and Jason Petrie did the 7. Not sure who did the AZG

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AZG was Hatfield, Avar, and Cooper...only one i know lol

thank you for the others, appreciate it.

Originally Posted by abernja

Anybody want to just start llisting shoes all these diff designers have made? I'll compile the list if you post the info.

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I'd suggest the best thing may be to order the list by the designers name, then what they've designed... at least to start off with(?)

Does every Nike designer keep the patents for their designs?...

TBH, i probably couldn't name most of Nike's designers over the years anyway.

Potentially, we could create some interesting reference material here, but it will need input from a few people
so we get it right.

Suggestions anyone?

i would like to see a list of designers and what they did as well.

i love tinker, and avar designs but i surely cannot name them all. especially when it comes to the runners.

ken link also designed some b-ball stuff i wasnt too fond of, but he did do quite a few. ( is now responsible for the new zoom vapor cleat, although it is nothis entire design as all he really did was add a swoosh or change the swoosh ) still a great cleat though.

Rockdeep, to elaborate on E.Scott Morris: he also designed the zoom vapor cleat, and responsible for the L T line, he has done A LOT over his time at nike.
he also designed the not so popular, ahead of its time " Aggro Duck " for the oregon ducks in 2002.. now this idea basically flopped, but in myopinion it was ahead of its time especially for college football. even for the " ahead " of its time oregon ducks..

Ken Link, i copied the following listing from Lrj23.com but here is a few more shoes Ken designed
LeBron: Zoom LeBron 2-6, 20.5.5, Zoom LeBron Low ST, Zoom Soldier 1-3
Kobe: Zoom Kobe 1-2, Zoom Kobe Strength, Zoom Kobe 2 Lite
Other Basketball shoes: Holistic Uptempo, Break U Down Uptempo, Air Force Powermatic (along with Eric Avar), Air Effectivity Max, Air Max Chosen, Zoom FlightTurbine, Air Flight Wings, Shox Limitless, Air Max Finisher, Shox Status, Shox Elite, Shox Explosive (it's the white and blue shoe in Link's lefthand), Air Zoom Drive(Steve Nash MVP season shoes), Shox Elevate…
of course ken designed the zoom power lebron vI, which is a love hate shoe for most.
it does seem like most do like and appreciate this design ( myself not included )

i cannot wait to see where this thread or a new one goes, i will add what i can.

BTW: Did Mark Dolce have anything to do with the Air Dolce Max (Circa 2002) or is that just pure coincidence?

...and does anyone know who designed the Air Max2 CB.? .. that's bugged me for years.

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i cannot wait to see where this thread or a new one goes, i will add what i can.

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Thanks for those, some of them are new to *me* anyway.

If we all chip in a bit, maybe we can put together something uselful.

I'll get started on a list.

Um goin with Tinker

Still a fairly sketchy list, mistakes? additions?
Feel free to chip in.

Avar, Eric.

Air Foamposite One
Air Flightposite 1
Air Flightposite 2
Air Flightposite 3
Air Garnett 3
Air Huarache Flight
(W/Hatfield – per Google Patents)
Air Hyper flight
Air Penny 1
Air Penny 2
Air Penny 3
Air Penny IV
Huarache 2k4
Hyperdunk
Jumpman Pro
Payton Series.
Zoom Kobe 3
Zoom Kobe IV
Zoom Kobe V
Zoom Vis Uptempo
(Per Google patents)

Chang, Leo
KD1
KD2
Hyperize
Zoom Lebron Ambassador 1 and 2.

May also have been involved with the Zoom BB - could be wrong.


Cooper Aaron,

Air Flight Max 2?
(Google patents shows a similar lacing system
in his name)

Air Hover Uptempo,
Air MZ3,


(Google patents shows a similar upper and sole
in his name)


Air Flight (1996)
(Not to be confused with the Zoom Flight 96 - i think this was his first design for Nike?)

Air Pippen 1
Air Pippen 2
Ultraflight
Ultraposite.
Air Zoom Generation. (W/ Avar and Hatfield)

Air Flight 00?

(Google patents shows a design similar to both the upper on the
Air Flight 00, and the Garnett 3)

Dolce, Mark

½ cent.



Edwards, D’Wayne

Air Jordan 21
Air Jordan 22
Melo 5.5


Hatfield, Tinker

Air Huarache Flight
(W Avar, per Google)
Air Huarache
Air Tech Challenge
Air Huarache Challenge
Air Max 1
Air Jordan 3
Air Jordan 4
Air Jordan 5
Air Jordan 6
Air Jordan 7
Air Jordan 8
Air Jordan 9
Air Jordan 10
Air Jordan 11
Air Jordan 12
Air Jordan 13
Air Jordan 14
Air Jordan 15
Air Jordan 16 (W/ Wilson Smith)
Air Jordan 20 (W/ Mark Smith)
Air Jordan 23
Air Jordan 2010 (W/ Mark Smith)
Air Trainer 1
Air Trainer SC
Air Max Trainer

Unidentified Flight shoe form Circa 92
Patent number D330798


Kuerbis, Tate,

Air Jordan XVIII
Zoomax Uptempo
Air Dozer Force
Air Jordan Team
Zoom Flight 98

There are also a few other things registered in his name,
Some of which I can’t identify at all.

Some others look like
Jordan 12.5
Uptempo Pro



Link, Ken,

20-5-5
Zoom Kobe 1
Zoom Kobe 2
Zoom Kobe Strength
Zoom Kobe Lite
Holistic Uptempo
Break U down Uptempo
Air Force Powermatic (w/Avar)

Air Effectivity Max
Air Max Chosen
Air Flight Wings
Shox Limitless
Air Max Finisher
Shox Status
Shox Elite
Shox Explosive
Air Zoom Drive
Shox Elevate

Zoom Flight Turbine,
Zoom Lebron 2
Zoom Lebron 3
Zoom Lebron 4
Zoom Lebron 5
Zoom Lebron Power
Zoom Lebron Low ST
Zoom Soldier 1-3
Air Uptempo Max (199


Lozano, Sergio

Air Max 95
Shox R4(?)
May also have designed the ratcheting system on one of Paytons shoes(?)
+ maybe a dozen other uppers, and outsoles I just couldn’t identify.

Mayden, Jason
(Jason Carter Mayden)

Jordan 2009
Jeter shoes(?)

Petrie, Jason

Air Force Stat one
Air Force Stat 2? (Midsole/Outsole shared with 360 BB)
Air Max Lebron VII
Air Windmill Flight (altered significantly from original concept)
Zoom Flight Club




Smith, Mark

Spizike
Zdvezchoka (?)
Also proposed ideas for Penny (and Barkley) fusions.


Smith, Wilson

Air More Uptempo
Air Jordan XVI (w/ Hatfield)
Air Jordan XVII
Womens Jordan (199


Teague, Tracy,
Air Force 25
Griffey Line (Early shoes only?)

kuerbis also designed the jordan XIX

appreciate that list above, i know alot of time and effort went into it.

should we start a new thread and maybe have everything on the 1st page, and have a mod update it all on the 1st page?

i do not want to see a bunch of 1 word responses or just quoting in a thread like this.

who did the jordan xiv ?
also i was always curious who designed one of my grail shoes " the air shake ndestrukt " ?

the name is not in my head right now, who was the original designer of the original griffey line? those are some of my favorites as well

as i grew up on these in middle school.

Originally Posted by never wear them

Originally Posted by misterHalfCabs

Originally Posted by ElijahDukes

take away the III, IV, V, the XI,.... what can Tinker look back at?.... excluding trainers..... I admire Tinker for what he has created but eric is impressive...

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VI, XII, XIII

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lol %%@ typa logic? take away Michael Jordan's rings and what do you have?! lol be real fam, Tinker is a beast, Avar is too, just a matter of preference imo.

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your sense of thought is sooooo limited..... Smh.... So those 3 shoes you mentioned, would make Tinker the goat designers? W/o the exclusions that I mentioned... Tinker would be like Robert horry for the lakers.... Some memorable moments, and that's bout it... Some of the designers that Rock mentioned, very interesting.
his original question was: take away the III, IV, V, the XI,.... what can Tinker look back at?
and i replied with the 3 pairs that i litsed. tinker can look back at those and be proud of them. that's all

who did the jordan xiv ?


tinker hatfield

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^ i thought tinker did the xiv, it was missed on the extensive list above. That's why i asked.....

Originally Posted by oneonenine

appreciate that list above, i know alot of time and effort went into it.

should we start a new thread and maybe have everything on the 1st page, and have a mod update it all on the 1st page?

i do not want to see a bunch of 1 word responses or just quoting in a thread like this.

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Typo on the XIV... i entered XV twice.

Mods have enough to do without tending to this thread... if we need to move it somewhere else, or change the format , we'll figure it out in due course.

Most people wouldn't be bothered with the list though, so it's not going to get stickied or any major recognition here.

Tinker is best in my opinion and Avar is second.

How can you guys say "take away III, IV, etc." when those are regarded as some of the best shoes ever? Also, did you guys forget about the XI? Or howabout the Air Max 1? That was Tinker. He made a lot of Nike shoes that you guys probably don't even realize. I think he did the BW also. Who started theuse of visible air bubbles?

EA is sick, no doubt about it, but Tinker is the guy who revolutionized the industry.

I guess its all preference though. Who is the best ever, Michael Jordan or Wilt?

I think Nike should include the designers name on the box somewhere..

who says Tinker is the undisputed first?

Man, thanks for that list. I've always been curious as to who designed the shoes in the Barkley line.

Did Tinker design the Air Max 1 and Air Max 90???

Avar's going to continue to do great designs

I haven't seen Tinker do a good design since the XX3.

wow eric avar designed all those?! then he's gonna be 2... maybe 1

Mr Ken Link is the best!
more about him:
http://www.lrj23.com/blog/index.php/ken-link/


Design shoes:
LeBron: Zoom LeBron 2-6, 20.5.5, Zoom LeBron Low ST, Zoom Soldier 1-3
Kobe: Zoom Kobe 1-2, Zoom Kobe Strength, Zoom Kobe 2 Lite
Other Basketball shoes: Holistic Uptempo, Break U Down Uptempo, Air Force Powermatic (alongwith Eric Avar), AirEffectivity Max, AirMax Chosen, ZoomFlight Turbine, AirFlight Wings, ShoxLimitless, Air MaxFinisher, ShoxStatus, ShoxElite, Shox Explosive (it's the white and blue shoe in Link's left hand), Air Zoom Drive(Steve NashMVP season shoes), ShoxElevate…

Jason Petrie & Leo Chang ..their design also r great!