**Official USMNT Soccer Thread**

I can agree with that, I think the two main things are the talent pool needing to be larger and more accessible to where cost wont be an issue for most to participate and better coaching as you described @psk2310  

Also whats funny is when I was this part of that Pirlo quote I instantly though of Zardes 
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 "They pick them and they train them in much more than just running," he said. "They train them in stopping the ball. Here that doesn't happen.
 
Zardes really needs to work on his first touch... If he masters that, he'll be a beast. I've seen many a pass go to him in transition with the Galaxy & the NT where he misses the one footer or boggles the pass.

The top level club/travel teams are uber expensive too... I almost think US soccer & MLS create a a league in almost all the relevant footy states where each birth year has 2-3 levels where teams can promote or get relegated.

The coaching & training would be top notch like what Oscar Tabarez said in the link I provided. There is some semblance of what I'm talking about but it's fragmented & not sure I can fully articulate what I'd like to say right now...
 
WASHINGTON TAVAREZ is one of my favorite coaches :smokin


Zardes first touch is horrible. Dude literally blows the pass 80% of the time when I see him >:
 
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Crazy stuff, the guy featured in that article Nick Lusson, was my college coach here in Oakland. 
At my son's level I see horribly coached sides that win lots of games & tournaments. The most glaring thing I see immediately when watching teams are players not knowing their positioning & what their position requires. I've seen so many games were there is no midfield presence, or someone isn't wide like they should be, or fullbacks not running up & down the flanks like they should.

I hate hate hate seeing kick ball meaning seeing kids kick the ball in the air to lob above players & then blips to a section of the field where their team mate isn't occupying. And these are all teams that again are winning games, leagues, & tournaments.

Maybe our man, @NorthOaklandFC  sees better at his higher level... 
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I do but I'm in the academy set up, not a direct comparison.  Here in California we're also very fortunate (in large part thanks directly to Nick Lusson's work with Norcal Premier) to have been at the forefront of coaching education here in the U.S over the last decade. 

That said you're always ******** on the young players and coaches in your area. 
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I always think to myself if the coaches are so poor in your area, why don't you get more involved in the development set up, especially since your already somewhat involved as a parent. Then I think about some of the comments you've made about Jose Mourinho recently, comments on how the EPL level of play is so poor, how the level of the MLS player is just a step above NCAA, etc. 

God I can only imagine the standard you're holding those poor kids to in your evaluations. 
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Crazy stuff, the guy featured in that article Nick Lusson, was my college coach here in Oakland. 

Was going to post this....really great article. An issue that's been around for a long time and will continue to be until it's properly dealt with.

Reminds me of this tweets from a month or two ago:
@Nigerianscamsss Football is SO EXPENSIVE in America. if you cannot afford it or find anyone to help, It prices out so many talented kids. playing football everyday for free in England, come to America and you're shelling out thousands of dollars, it's mad. LOOK AT THESE PRICES. My God.
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$30 k a year for a football academy in America, when some kids in Europe are making that on a weekly basis.

I know the Red Bulls academy is free and I believe LA Galaxy is as well, which is great and all but I wonder how far their reach is....are they getting to those inner city kids.
 
Anyone spot the Wood, brooks and Yedlin clique they have going on Instagram. The bromance is strong. [emoji]128514[/emoji]
 
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I do but I'm in the academy set up, not a direct comparison.  Here in California we're also very fortunate (in large part thanks directly to Nick Lusson's work with Norcal Premier) to have been at the forefront of coaching education here in the U.S over the last decade. 

That said you're always ******** on the young players and coaches in your area. :lol:

I always think to myself if the coaches are so poor in your area, why don't you get more involved in the development set up, especially since your already somewhat involved as a parent. Then I think about some of the comments you've made about Jose Mourinho recently, comments on how the EPL level of play is so poor, how the level of the MLS player is just a step above NCAA, etc. 

God I can only imagine the standard you're holding those poor kids to in your evaluations. :lol:  

I don't have the time to commit to a youth soccer project. I also don't want to deal with all the politics that go on. I've seen youth footy from the DelMarVa "uera" as well as PA & NJ.

My biggest complaint about the coaching in the areas I mentioned is there are too many fathers coaching club/travel teams (except for the upper echelon in my area). About 90% of these fathers have never played the game either. A lot of them win a numerous leagues & tournaments but they're winning on talent & not because of the coaching which is the case for my son's team which we just left after 2 years.

We're joining a new team that has hired an accomplished coach & he's fairly young at 27. He's an assistant coach for a varsity girls high school team that's won the state championship twice in the last 5 years. A good number of girls from that squad get college scholarships to schools as big as Maryland. He's also coaching a U14 boys team that's ranked 5th in the state. If I could create the kind of coach for my son, this guys pretty much fits the bill. He's also very energetic & enthusiastic as well as a Cryuff disciple.

We'll be playing in the top league this fall on Sundays. That league will place us based on past performance in other leagues & tournaments. We'll also be playing in a Sat league that has great officiating.
 
Don't wanna de-rail the thread but I definitely agree with what both you guys are saying. Granted this was 10+ years ago, but my soccer career and any advancement was definitely hindered due to the lack of club/travel soccer in my area and the fact that it is so expensive. I read an article in either Forbes or Money magazine that covered a family in Folsom, CA (by Sacramento) and how damn expensive it was and the father was pretty successful individual working for Intel. Growing up the only "real" coach I had was my dad who previously played professionally in another country and he was only home on the weekends growing up. Club soccer was over a hour away and super expensive, I grew up only playing alone, in the local youth league and then in HS where I did fairly well. Just hate to think about how long I could have continued to play had I had access and the financial means to play a lot more with good players and coaches who knew what they were doing.

PSK: I too see that "kick-ball" style and I hate it, even though in my day it worked to my advantage because I was extremely fast, but even in my adult league that I play in Sacramento, so many teams (and unfortunately mine) still resort to this tactic.
 
Seeing that "kick ball" play drives me insane especially when the coaches don't say anything about it.

My son had an opportunity to join a nationally ranked club but it was waaay too expensive. Not including kit, league costs & your portion of ref fees, it was $2500. Then you also had to pay for any local tournaments plus 2-3 tourneys they play out of state like one in Arizona, Texas, & Florida.

When you see that team play, the parking lot is usually full of Benzs, BMWs, Range Rovers with the stickers of all the prominent private school from the area. The fathers & mothers are always decked out in that vine yard vines gear or j crew...

Everytime I see those parents I think of that scene from Trading Places.... "And she stepped on the ball... ha, ha, ha..."
 
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another tangent off your tangent @Ronaldo Nazario, do you or @NorthOaklandFC  or anyone know of any youth club stuff that has to do with Wolverhampton

I've been seeing an increasing number of the club crest stickered on the back of cars around the Sac area 
 
good looks man, I've tried searching for anything to do with Sac/Norcal and Wolverhampton but not Cali... perhaps those vehicles I'm seeing are just coming up here for tournaments etc
 
good looks man, I've tried searching for anything to do with Sac/Norcal and Wolverhampton but not Cali... perhaps those vehicles I'm seeing are just coming up here for tournaments etc

I believe that would be Loomis Wolves SC. I don't think there's any connection to Wolverhampton they just use their logo.
 
 
good looks man, I've tried searching for anything to do with Sac/Norcal and Wolverhampton but not Cali... perhaps those vehicles I'm seeing are just coming up here for tournaments etc
I believe that would be Loomis Wolves SC. I don't think there's any connection to Wolverhampton they just use their logo.
MY MAN!!! that makes more sense, Loomis is literally the town over from where I live

wow, case solved finally after like 2 years of seeing Wolverhampton stickers and driving me mad everytime I saw it 
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You've been asking about that for a minute... I remember you posting pics of the backs of peoples SUVs... :lol:
 
 
I do but I'm in the academy set up, not a direct comparison.  Here in California we're also very fortunate (in large part thanks directly to Nick Lusson's work with Norcal Premier) to have been at the forefront of coaching education here in the U.S over the last decade. 

That said you're always ******** on the young players and coaches in your area. 
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I always think to myself if the coaches are so poor in your area, why don't you get more involved in the development set up, especially since your already somewhat involved as a parent. Then I think about some of the comments you've made about Jose Mourinho recently, comments on how the EPL level of play is so poor, how the level of the MLS player is just a step above NCAA, etc. 

God I can only imagine the standard you're holding those poor kids to in your evaluations. 
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I don't have the time to commit to a youth soccer project. I also don't want to deal with all the politics that go on. I've seen youth footy from the DelMarVa "uera" as well as PA & NJ.

My biggest complaint about the coaching in the areas I mentioned is there are too many fathers coaching club/travel teams (except for the upper echelon in my area). About 90% of these fathers have never played the game either. A lot of them win a numerous leagues & tournaments but they're winning on talent & not because of the coaching which is the case for my son's team which we just left after 2 years.

We're joining a new team that has hired an accomplished coach & he's fairly young at 27. He's an assistant coach for a varsity girls high school team that's won the state championship twice in the last 5 years. A good number of girls from that squad get college scholarships to schools as big as Maryland. He's also coaching a U14 boys team that's ranked 5th in the state. If I could create the kind of coach for my son, this guys pretty much fits the bill. He's also very energetic & enthusiastic as well as a Cryuff disciple.

We'll be playing in the top league this fall on Sundays. That league will place us based on past performance in other leagues & tournaments. We'll also be playing in a Sat league that has great officiating.
I feel you. It sounds like there are definitely massive regional differences within the youth set up in our respective areas. 

For example in California at the premier youth level, not even taking into account the USSDA level above that, 90% of coaches are full time coaches. They might juggle their club commitments with collegiate coaching careers or maybe they supplement their income with their own entrepreneurial coaching/private training endeavors but they are coaching full time, 365 days a year. There are certainly no dads who got into coaching because their kid started playing soccer. 

Winning also seems to be a huge focus in your area.  Here it's clearly understood that development is the focus, particularly in the U14 and below age groups. No developmentally focused coach should give a damn about if his players are winning tournaments at 12 years old. Not to say that winning isn't important, I do think developing the psychological frame of a competitor and cultivating a winning mentality in young players is important, but a coach who develops a reputation for pursuing winning at the expense of development and teaching will be heavily criticized and likely out of a job. 

You also say states should have tiered systems with clubs teams moving up or down, season to season, based on competitiveness. I'm surprised to learn that's not already the case everywhere.  In CA that's exactly what we have. The Northern half of the state is divided into 8 regions. Within each region are tiered leagues with 5-6 levels of competitiveness with teams moving up or down based on results. At the older age groups even higher level leagues are created with each region feeding 1 - 2 top teams into a regional league that spans Northern California. All this then feeds the top players directly into the USSDA set up. 

As for "kick ball" that's another mark that will subject a youth coach to harsh criticism here. For adults playing in adult leagues, if you're American there's a chance that's the only style you know because of the era you grew up in but in CA youth soccer, it's commonly understood that that's not what we want for future generations.

That said, there's **** soccer everywhere. In every country, in every neighborhood there are questionable coaches and clubs that play bad soccer.  To this day the ugliest most unattractive soccer I've ever seen at the youth level was played by a youth academy from Jerez Andalusia, Spain. 
 
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And one more thing about the costs of playing competitive soccer. We have to acknowledge that that is currently, and for a generation now has been, one of the realities of competitive youth sports in America. 

$2K annually is probably on the lower end when it comes to the costs of playing competitive basketball, baseball, soccer. Multiply that x10 if you want to talk to individual sports like gymnastics or tennis. 

I recently went to see my cousin, his kid had an AAU tournament in town. This is his son's first season playing club basketball, truly bottom barrel U14 AAU ball.

Season started in March and he was telling me how him and his fiance had already put in $2500. They're not wealthy by any means, quite the opposite.They live in the Central Valley, my cousin works on an assembly line and his fiance works two jobs as a waiter. 

Any competitive youth sport is a MASSIVE financial commitment for parents.

I'm all for lowering costs and making opportunities accessible as possible for all, that's incredibly important to me, but let's be clear on the realities of youth sports in America opposed to portraying youth soccer as some money grab that's designed to be exclusive.
 
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If if I had the dough, I don't mind paying if I knew we had a solid coach & there was a commitment to development. Its funny though because in other countries like Spain & Germany, the flight footy is free so long as the child shows the aptitude.

Thankfully, I found a good thing for my son via his technical trainer. He's originally from Scotland, played in their youth academy, then immigrated to Canada & had some caps for their national team. He ended up settling here in Bmore played indoor professionally for many years then opened an indoor facility that ghosts lots of leagues from kids age to adults & offers technical training. He's really a saint of a man, salt of the earth type. He synced us up with my son's new club.

There is no way a bottom of the barrel aau bball team should be that much, especially since most of the aau set up is trash with trash coaching.
 
Worth noting that while the kids at the top play for free in other countries, they're also both investments and commodities - literally to be bought and sold. U.S. labor laws prevent that kind of return on investment here.

Trust me man youth sports are expensive, but it's not the coaches who are seeing the money here in America.
 
Worth noting that while the kids at the top play for free in other countries, they're also both investments and commodities - literally to be bought and sold. U.S. labor laws prevent that kind of return on investment here.

Trust me man youth sports are expensive, but it's not the coaches who are seeing the money here in America.

I got lucky that my pop Warner team was free (poor area of town) a lot of other kids paid a lot of money to play
 
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