**Official USMNT Soccer Thread**

own goal MOTM thus far 
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welp, Own Goal could only do so much

good night U23, congrats to Colombia it was well deserved
 
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AZwildcats said:
Damn Gil sent off, Colombian dude got under his skin
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He's a ******* idiot. Literally within seconds of coming on he's out there antagonizing **** and gets a talking to form the ref. Literally kicked a Colombian player.

You come on with your team down a goal in an elimination scenario precisely to calm things down and help generate as many chances as possible in the next twenty minutes.

For the most experienced youth player in the program to do exactly the opposite is inexcusable.
 
NorthOaklandFC said:
 
AZwildcats said:
Damn Gil sent off, Colombian dude got under his skin
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He's a ******* idiot. Literally within seconds of coming on he's out there antagonizing **** and gets a talking to form the ref. Literally kicked a Colombian player.

You come on with your team down a goal in an elimination scenario precisely to calm things down and help generate as many chances as possible in the next twenty minutes.

For the most experienced youth player in the program to do exactly the opposite is inexcusable.
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agreed fam, i saw him do the Matt Barnes fake and all I could do is 
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1 shot on target in two games against Colombia? It is just not good enough 
 
BTW northoaklandfc northoaklandfc , I understand your point about teaching a player to play multiple positions in an effort to build a more well rounded player but take a listen to the podcast link below specifically at the 19.40 mark.

It's Grant Wahl's Planet Futbol podcast featuring Thomas Rongen whose talking about what Cruyff (RIP) believed in & that's position specific training, which per Cruyff should be done as early as possible.

Rongen goes on to say that's what Cruyff did at Ajax & Barca. He also said that Cruyff had the belief that the world of football needed to go back to position specific training to become better footballers.

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/03/25/johan-cruyff-thomas-rongen-podcast
 
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psk2310 said:
BTW northoaklandfc northoaklandfc , I understand your point about teaching a player to play multiple positions in an effort to build a more well rounded player but take a listen to the podcast link below specifically at the 19.40 mark.

It's Grant Wahl's Planet Futbol podcast featuring Thomas Rongen whose talking about what Cruyff (RIP) believed in & that's position specific training, which per Cruyff should be done as early as possible.

Rongen goes on to say that's what Cruyff did at Ajax & Barca. He also said that Cruyff had the belief that the world of football needed to go back to position specific training to become better footballers.

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/03/25/johan-cruyff-thomas-rongen-podcast
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Good Podcast, I wasn't arguing against position specific training. Position specific training is the most effective way to teach position specific skills. It's a fundamental aspect of training for most of a player's development life cycle. Specifically starting around U11/U12 where in theory, players are advancing to the intermediate stage of player development.

Rongen said position specific training should start as early as possible but I'm pretty confident he doesn't mean that literally. It's pretty widely accepted, in large part specifically because of Cruyff's work and general Dutch coaching philosophy that's spread around the world since, that specific position training isn't really appropriate in the early beginner stages specifically U6-U8.

What I was arguing against is strict specialization too early, specifically for a kid who (regardless of age in years) is still in the beginner stage of development.

A 12 year old forward who can't keep possession on the wing falls in this category. My man sfc415 sfc415 who didn't state his age, but stated he couldn't pass and the only thing he could do was run, falls into this category.

It's not good coaching to take a player with those kind of extreme deficiencies and essentially fast track to them to what's really an advanced-intermediate stage suited for 13/14 year olds with half a life time of development behind them, by having them strictly specialize at one position in an attempt to mask their deficiencies. I assure you neither Rongen or Cruyff would advocate that.

Rongen didn't give Cruffy's take on specific specialization or even offer his own, he did say that at 12 years old he was told he was going to play RB, but that was literally half a century ago. Philosophies have changed a lot since then.

I got caught up with Bats vs Supes last night, have more to add to our MLS/Liga MX finances discussion. :lol:


rck3sactown said:
TBH I had no clue George Weah's kid was born in America let alone part of the USYNT set up, and PSG academy...

northoaklandfc northoaklandfc Kimchi Papi Kimchi Papi

You guys got anything on this kid Tim?
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Nah just know he's on the radar and plays with PSG. Pretty sure he's a forward.
 
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NorthOaklandFC said:
Rongen said position specific training should start as early as possible but I'm pretty confident he doesn't mean that literally. It's pretty widely accepted, in large part specifically because of Cruyff's work and general Dutch coaching philosophy that's spread around the world since, that specific position training isn't really appropriate in the early beginner stages specifically U6-U8.

What I was arguing against is strict specialization too early, specifically for a kid who (regardless of age in years) is still in the beginner stage of development.
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:lol: What are you talking 'bout?!?! :rofl: Rongen was very literal & specific that position specific training should be done as early as possible. He even said he was aware what Cruyff thought flies against conventional coaching & total football philosophies.

There is nothing Rongen said that was open to interpretation... :tongue: :wink:
 
@NorthOaklandFC Man I guess I made myself sound more trash than I really was. I wasn't literally unable to pass (that would make me one of the Men's national team players) :lol: I just meant that in comparison to an attacking midfielder, my passing wasn't that good, so it made no sense for my coach to put me in that position. I mean, during El Clasico, would you put Daniel Alves in as a midfielder just because Ronaldo is bigger than him? That's basically what I got tired of. And I quit when I was 14
 
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psk2310 said:
NorthOaklandFC said:
Rongen said position specific training should start as early as possible but I'm pretty confident he doesn't mean that literally. It's pretty widely accepted, in large part specifically because of Cruyff's work and general Dutch coaching philosophy that's spread around the world since, that specific position training isn't really appropriate in the early beginner stages specifically U6-U8.

What I was arguing against is strict specialization too early, specifically for a kid who (regardless of age in years) is still in the beginner stage of development.
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:lol: What are you talking 'bout?!?! :rofl: Rongen was very literal & specific that position specific training should be done as early as possible. He even said he was aware what Cruyff thought flies against conventional coaching & total football philosophies.

There is nothing Rongen said that was open to interpretation... :tongue: :wink:
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I don't know what to tell you man. :lol:

He didn't literally mean position specific training should start as early as possible.

There's no such thing as position specific training for a 7 year old. The terminology just isn't even applicable.

For God's sake, at U8 they play 4v4 no keepers. :rofl:
 
SFC415 said:
@NorthOaklandFC Man I guess I made myself sound more trash than I really was. I wasn't literally unable to pass (that would make me one of the Men's national team players) :lol: I just meant that in comparison to an attacking midfielder, my passing wasn't that good, so it made no sense for my coach to put me in that position. I mean, during El Clasico, would you put Daniel Alves in as a midfielder just because Ronaldo is bigger than him? That's basically what I got tired of. And I quit when I was 14
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I feel you but the point still stands. There's a requisite level of ability with the ball and a basic level of tactical understanding that needs to be reached at the early stages of development before players begin to specialize.

Your coach shouldn't have been pigeonholing you based off size either, we all know that's a big no no that plagued youth coaching here in past generations.
 
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