🦉The Official Drake Thread6️⃣ - Scary Hours 3 11.17.23

[Maximus Meridius]

The sales talk got crazy with 50. At least with Pac or Jay they would talk about being better than other rappers. 50's whole thing was "I generate more interest..." "my actual numbers are better...".

 

[wavycrocket]

I posted a Billboard article about how misleading Drake's sales were. Fader also had an article about how phony these numbers are.
Sales talk started with Pac and Bad Boy. Then carried on with No Limit. It's been around for a long time.
Tracks are .99-1.29.

The fact that you can count 10 single sales as an album sale is dumb as hell to me. So Hotling Bling had sold mad singles and was streamed like crazy. That **** made up more than half of Drake's first week numbers according to billboard.


I think Drake is still gold right now, approaching platinum if you took away streams. He would be platinum regardless. Tiller barely sold any albums and his **** is already platinum, which is dumb. Big Sean's album is like double or triple platinum now because of streams. He's never been a big seller. It takes away from those that actually sold mad albums. I bring up sales because like I said, I was fascinated when I seen it in The Source years ago. Thought it was real interesting to see who sold what. Sales doesn't mean **** to me when it comes to buying or checking out new music. I bought four CDs so far this year and they're all under 100K sold but they're quality music and they earned my money.

I mean, imagine if you could buy singles back in the day...and just not albums. The average album is 10 songs...and about $10...so it makes sense that 10 single sales = 1 album sale.

Also, paying $9.99 a month...to listen to hundreds of albums whenever you want has to count for something. Streaming makes sense. I used to think it was BS too...but if you look at it, and break it down...it makes sense.

Drake without streaming is still a million copy seller.

 

[delete1234]

Idek why y'all entertaining this argument, there's CLEARLY two ways to look at this whole sales thing...like yeah duh ppl sold more CDs back then but there was also NO piracy...ppl HAD to go buy CDs. You have bootlegs but still to even bootleg the **** someone had to buy the CD.

I mean tony ****** yayo went gold I think? I actually bought that album [emoji]128517[/emoji][emoji]128517[/emoji][emoji]128517[/emoji][emoji]128517[/emoji]

So yeah it's not a simple "oh the new rules are cheating, blah blah blah". I guarantee you if this was pusha t or Kendrick or somebody going platnium everybody would be in the thread congratulating and posting emoticons lmao. But cuz it's drake it's like "nahhh he cheating. It's Apple doing it. It's white America, it's teenage girls and white kids, he's a pop star anyways. So, Beyoncé sold more anyways" ****** in here wierd man

 

[delete1234]

This is like if Lebron drops 81 in a game ppl gonna be sitting up there like "nah defenses today aren't as good as back then, kobe really had to do it for real. It doesn't count. Kobe would drop 100 nowadays"

Like I'm a die hard kobe fan but **** just congradulate the feat and keep it movin. It doesn't make the previous any less great

 

[oddandtwisted]

Wayne GOAT

 

[Hahahaha]

SMH, my problem with streams has nothing to do with Drake. He's going platinum regardless. My problem with streams, is that they didn't replace album sales. Albums stopped selling back in 05-06. Your singles shouldn't add to album sales. That's a huge part of why quality sucks. They're constantly feeding us trash and 1000 songs and singles. The streaming is hurting the product. I'm not mad at anyone that streams, it's cheap as hell and you get mad music. Most of the people that I know stream, haven't bought an album since 08-09.

Then think about all the people that just buy a single or two but don't want a full product from that artist, why should it count?

 

[HOU$TON]

Wayne GOAT

no debate

 

[$tacy]

I don't think people have problems with streams because of drake, u just wanted to come cape for him. It's dudes like tiller and others who get announced as platinum artist when they just aren't. Drake would go platinum regardless we already know this, he's a mega star b. This is one of his worse albums but sold the most, that tells u enough. But some dudes are gonna go platinum off these rules, dudes that people would never walk in the store and pay 10-15 bucks for their album.

 

[delete1234]

lol which one is his best album will? which one you like ?

 

[krazyrodzilla]

I posted a Billboard article about how misleading Drake's sales were. Fader also had an article about how phony these numbers are.
Sales talk started with Pac and Bad Boy. Then carried on with No Limit. It's been around for a long time.
Tracks are .99-1.29.

The fact that you can count 10 single sales as an album sale is dumb as hell to me. So Hotling Bling had sold mad singles and was streamed like crazy. That **** made up more than half of Drake's first week numbers according to billboard.


I think Drake is still gold right now, approaching platinum if you took away streams. He would be platinum regardless. Tiller barely sold any albums and his **** is already platinum, which is dumb. Big Sean's album is like double or triple platinum now because of streams. He's never been a big seller. It takes away from those that actually sold mad albums. I bring up sales because like I said, I was fascinated when I seen it in The Source years ago. Thought it was real interesting to see who sold what. Sales doesn't mean **** to me when it comes to buying or checking out new music. I bought four CDs so far this year and they're all under 100K sold but they're quality music and they earned my money.

Broski, seriously? You keep saying Drake is gold or maybe plat without steams! He SOLD 852k (hard copies) and over a million (with steams) first week. He sold over a million HARD COPIES in 2 weeks! As I post earlier, he's at 1.34 million HARD COPIES. Again, sold 1.34 million HARD COPIES (not including steams, the old fashion way). With steams he's over 2 million.

Another thing, you need to get with the times! BILLBOARD could care less what you think about the new rules. This isn't the 90's, technology has changed everything! Mostly everything is steam/downloaded now (movies, tv shows, music, games, books etc......) Bet you're mad they took blockbuster away huh? JESUS! Get with the times!!! Or can some PLEASE make him a time machine so he can go back to the 90's.

 

[flesh prince]

I went to Target the other day and what used to be 3-4 racks full of music is now one row of shelves with CD's.

The physical CD is dead and even when you wanna talk about buying albums off iTunes or w/e...what's the last album you bought? Because spending 10 bucks on an album isn't practical when you can listen to everything you wanna listen to new and old for that price, half of it if you're in school.

 

[Peep Game]

Yo those album racks are a mess,they don't even have them in order anymore, and just pile all the genres together last physical copies i bought were Black Dollar and Documentary 2/2.5. Everything else has been through Amazon.

Also as far as the streams, do they count it by replays too? Cause if you just sit there replaying the same song over and over, no way is that legit

 

[Deleted member 107398]

The sales talk got crazy with 50. At least with Pac or Jay they would talk about being better than other rappers. 50's whole thing was "I generate more interest..." "my actual numbers are better...".

cause you're hip to "actual"

 

[Hahahaha]

Yes, I am extremely mad Blockbuster is out of business and has been for like five years. I download HD movies in less than ten minutes, stream shows through websites and download albums illegally in less than a minute. Yes, I prefer spending $3 on a movie for one night.

If you believe drake sold over 800K through Apple his first week, then good for you. It's nice living in a fairy tale world where we believe everything we read. Selling over 800K digital albums doesn't happen, especially on just one platform. He has a deal with Apple, of course they're gonna do what they need to do so his numbers are huge.

Son goes from 450-650 in first week sales with every album, including hard copies in stores and websites and other digital retail stores. Then he sells over 800 on itunes. Yes, that all makes sense. That's just the times changing and his fanbases doubling, especially when people don't buy albums anymore.........right?

 

[$tacy]

lol which one is his best album will? which one you like ?

Whichever 1 had started from the bottom on it, his best song.

 

[DIÑERO]

Whichever 1 had started from the bottom on it, his best song.

Nothing was the same, which drake albums have you listened to?

 

[$tacy]

Take care, views from the dumpster, WATTBA, NWTS are the only ones I could get thru

 

[krazyrodzilla]

Yes, I am extremely mad Blockbuster is out of business and has been for like five years. I download HD movies in less than ten minutes, stream shows through websites and download albums illegally in less than a minute. Yes, I prefer spending $3 on a movie for one night.

If you believe drake sold over 800K through Apple his first week, then good for you. It's nice living in a fairy tale world where we believe everything we read. Selling over 800K digital albums doesn't happen, especially on just one platform. He has a deal with Apple, of course they're gonna do what they need to do so his numbers are huge.

Son goes from 450-650 in first week sales with every album, including hard copies in stores and websites and other digital retail stores. Then he sells over 800 on itunes. Yes, that all makes sense. That's just the times changing and his fanbases doubling, especially when people don't buy albums anymore.........right?

No point.....

 

[delete1234]

Take care, views from the dumpster, WATTBA, NWTS are the only ones I could get thru

[emoji]129300[/emoji][emoji]129300[/emoji] I could've sworn you said you listened to a couple others I won't name

 

[DIÑERO]

Lol you couldn't get through tml and iyrtitl?

 

[delete1234]

Lol you couldn't get through tml and iyrtitl?

He lying bro he ain't listen to none of them *****

***** just said views his worst album but he couldn't sit thru two other albums

 

[$tacy]

o yea the QM joint too. Sfg and all that other moist **** got cut off fast

 

[Hahahaha]

Straight from Stereo Gum and Rolling Stone. Billboard and Forbes had similar articles. So like you said, no point.

Last October, Drake’s “Hotline Bling” just missed topping the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart because of an unusual technicality: The viral clip was initially released exclusively on Apple Music, whose video-streaming data was not shared with Billboard. Now, Drake’s label, Republic Records, is relying on another unusual technicality to skew the numbers regarding the Toronto star’s new LP, Views — this time in Drake’s favo(u)r. Per Republic:
The album, including digital tracks and streaming album equivalents, has crossed the 1 million mark in U.S. sales and nearly 1.2 million globally, and is expected to bow at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 in North America.
OK so let’s break up that sentence real quick, because it includes two unrelated clauses that are cleverly fused to make it seem as though there is some correlation:

1. The album, including digital tracks and streaming album equivalents, has crossed the 1 million mark in U.S. sales and nearly 1.2 million globally.

2. [The album] is expected to bow at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 in North America.

Let’s start with the latter of those two statements: Views probably (maybe?) will debut at #1 on the Billboard Top 200, because Drake is a popular artist, because Views has been given a crazily elaborate and wildly expensive promotional push, and because the album’s chief competitor — Beyoncé’s Lemonade — will inevitably drop off from its own first-week numbers of 653,000 equivalent album units. So, assuming Drake does manage to beat Bey, then congrats to Drake! Well done.

Now let’s get to the ********.

The only reason Views “has crossed the 1 million mark in U.S. sales and nearly 1.2 million globally” is because of the final song on the album; a late inclusion called “Hotline Bling.” As you might recall, back in February, the RIAA changed its certification methodology to account for “streaming and download consumption patterns.” Per the RIAA’s new rules, “1,500 on-demand audio and/or video song streams = 10 track sales = 1 album sale.”

Initially, “Hotline Bling” was a loosie for Drake, but because it’s now included on Views, all those old streams are counted toward the album’s sales total. Per Forbes:

On just Spotify alone, recently released singles “One Dance” and “Pop Style” have amassed 67 million and 18 million global plays, respectively. Upon Views’ release, any of those plays that occurred in the United States will apply not only to those songs’ qualifications towards RIAA digital single certifications, but towards the album certification as well. By the RIAA’s new methodology, that amounts to potentially tens of thousands of applicable and attributable sales the second Views drops, though notably it won’t factor into its placement on Billboard’s album charts.

Furthermore, the inclusion of 2015 single “Hotline Bling” as a bonus track could send Views’ RIAA numbers skyrocketing. With well over 400 million Spotify streams worldwide and close to 700 million official YouTube plays globally on Drake’s Vevo channel, this aging hit could be the infusion that sends Views well on its way to multi-platinum status before year’s end.
Got that? It’s not that the sales numbers being bandied about by Republic are technically inaccurate; it’s that the May 2016 numbers are artificially inflated by a song released in July 2015, which didn’t even become a hit until its video was released in October 2015.

Wanna hear something funny? When “Summer Sixteen” was released this past January, some (reputable!) sources called it “the first single off Views From The 6.”

But “Summer Sixteen” wasn’t included on the final Views tracklist. So then … what was the “lead single” off Views? Let’s see what Wikipedia says…

“Hotline Bling” is a song by Canadian rapper Drake, which serves as the lead single from his fourth studio album Views. The song itself is only credited as a bonus track on Views, however the song is present on all editions of the album.
Funny, right?

Of course all this assumes Republic is using the RIAA’s formula for determining album sales. The company didn’t reveal its data’s source. It could be that they’re instead using the Nielsen formula for calculating album sales, which “utilize[/S] accepted industry benchmarks for digital and streaming data, equating 10 digital track sales from an album to one equivalent album sale, and 1,500 song streams from an album to one equivalent album sale. All of the major on-demand audio subscription services are considered, including Spotify, Beats Music, Google Play and Xbox Music.” (Notably excluding YouTube.)

Or there’s yet another option: It’s possible Republic is combining the Nielsen formula with the RIAA formula … in which case there’s absolutely no way of knowing how many people actually purchased or listened to Views during its first week of availability.

In any of these scenarios, though, the numbers being reported by Republic are wildly distorted.

So yeah, maybe Views will debut at #1 on the Billboard Top 200, but the idea that it sold 1.2 million copies in its first week (coincidentally the same number as 1989!) while limited to Apple Music subscribers and iTunes down loads is laughable — and the fact that it’s being presented to the public in this way is pretty gross.

And if it happens that Beyoncé’s numbers don’t fall off, and Drake once again fails to hit #1? Well that’ll make for some pretty sweet Lemonade … and a damn sour Apple.

 

[$tacy]

Views is far worse than any album of his I ever heard. The QM collab is 10x better than that trash. Lil ***** what I got to lie on ya pops for? I honestly don't care to know them ***** by name like that but started from the bottom is his best song he ever made I know that much. Views is trash bruh, even hurt his #1 fan budden.

 

[DIÑERO]

I believe you listen to all of his albums excluding the "moist ones" I don't think you can't dislike a persons music as much as you do with out listening to it first. I'm surprised Lord knows ain't your favorite drake song drake and Ross both go hard and it's some of just blazes best production