🦉The Official Drake Thread6️⃣ - Scary Hours 3 11.17.23

[shoeking2102]

This isn't specifically about Apple, but

An article I was reading brought up a good point about streaming numbers.

A lot of the numbers come from the curated playlists that Spotify/Apple/TIDAL create potentially with label involvement.

There is a lot of people who only stream those playlists and don't even have a paid Spotify account, they treat it as their radio. I know some people just let Pandora or Spotify play whatever, they pick a genre or initial song and Spotify generates a playlist.

A lot of those playlists don't change for months so that can stop other songs from organically getting traction. Just something to consider.

But then again, streaming can't be ignored because that's how most people consume music now.

A1 post and I agree with all of this. I'm sure labels have a lot to do with their artist's involvement as far as the things you mentioned such as playlist, and curations and what not. Makes total sense and I've always believed that.

The last part rings most true. No matter how flawed streaming may be, it can't be ignored.

 

[nom de guerre]

Then new rules got dudes getting plaques they would've never got a few years ago.

Streaming made it even harder for artists to be certified platinum from pure sales. If this were 2011 or earlier many of these artists would have went platinum off pure sales but that just doesn't happen when you add in streaming. Ariana Grande is flopping hard cause her singles didn't get enough hype. It may take a full year for her album to go platinum off of streaming

 

[shoeking2102]

Most people who are getting help from streaming and going platinum off streaming, probably would be going platinum in a world w/o streaming anyway so it evens itself out.

 

[Hahahaha]

I know about streams, consuming music, charts and actual sales. Been into that **** since I first saw the gold and platinum section in 95 in The Source. The experts have already said that these streaming numbers are BS and are creating false numbers but I will trust the 2-3 Drake stans that say otherwise.

 

[Proposition Joe]

Most people who are getting help from streaming and going platinum off streaming, probably would be going platinum in a world w/o streaming anyway so it evens itself out.

Might be true because even B level rap and r&b artist were going plat in the early 00's. I still think Apple is behind drakes huge numbers, with that being said he is one of the biggest artist out right now regardless of numbers, His tour sold out very fast.

 

[shoeking2102]

I know about streams, consuming music, charts and actual sales. Been into that **** since I first saw the gold and platinum section in 95 in The Source. The experts have already said that these streaming numbers are BS and are creating false numbers but I will trust the 2-3 Drake stans that say otherwise.

What "experts" said these streaming numbers were BS.

I'm not even doubting you, I would just like to see it. 

 

[krazyrodzilla]

Drake has actually SOLD OVER A MILLION COPIES.

Views is the highest-selling album released in 2016, with 1.34 million copies sold. It’s the second-biggest selling album overall in 2016, behind Adele’s 25 (which was released in 2015) with 1.44 million. (25 has sold 8.88 million overall.)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/c...9093/drake-views-no-1-billboard-200-10th-week

 

[slick vitale]

Sales talk ruined everything. 

 

[flesh prince]

 
Sales talk ruined everything. 

pretty much

instead of people debating the quality of the music they'll debate sales

or they'll use it to validate average/trash music and discredit good music

 

[jr paperstacks]

I get it--it's the only fact. Arguing that Views is good or bad is far less interesting than the back and forth about streams to me.

 

[krazyrodzilla]

Deadendhiphop had a good discussion on this streaming counting as albums *****

WOW, THEY ARE SO OFF WITH THE NUMBERS! Dude said 10 single streams is 1 album sell and 10 album streams is 1 album sell. :x

How you have this conversation and don't know the rules?

 

[ill steelo]

Fire and Desire is my current go to with my shorty. Makes magic every single time.

mine loves that one too. Joint is

 

[flesh prince]

WOW, THEY ARE SO OFF WITH THE NUMBERS! Dude said 10 single streams is 1 album sell and 10 album streams is 1 album sell.

How you have this conversation and don't know the rules?

I think that is correct though, the rules recently changed and guys like Bryson Tiller, Big Sean, Kendrick, etc. all went platinum the day the rule changed from 1500 Streams = 1 Sale to 10 Streams = 1 Sale, which probably prompted them to make the video.

I'm not gonna pretend I care enough to look it up though so someone come in here with the official rules.

 

[DIÑERO]

I think that is correct though, the rules recently changed and guys like Bryson Tiller, Big Sean, Kendrick, etc. all went platinum the day the rule changed from 1500 Streams = 1 Sale to 10 Streams = 1 Sale, which probably prompted them to make the video.

I'm not gonna pretend I care enough to look it up though so someone come in here with the official rules.

No I believe that it's still 1500 streams equals one album sale

 

[krazyrodzilla]

I think that is correct though, the rules recently changed and guys like Bryson Tiller, Big Sean, Kendrick, etc. all went platinum the day the rule changed from 1500 Streams = 1 Sale to 10 Streams = 1 Sale, which probably prompted them to make the video.

I'm not gonna pretend I care enough to look it up though so someone come in here with the official rules.

No I believe that it's still 1500 streams equals one album sale

Yeah It's 1,500 steams = 1 sell and 10 tracks SOLD = 1 sell.

It's not 10 streams = 1 sell and 10 single steams = 1 sell.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I think that is correct though, the rules recently changed and guys like Bryson Tiller, Big Sean, Kendrick, etc. all went platinum the day the rule changed from 1500 Streams = 1 Sale to 10 Streams = 1 Sale, which probably prompted them to make the video.

I'm not gonna pretend I care enough to look it up though so someone come in here with the official rules.

No I believe that it's still 1500 streams equals one album sale

Yeah It's 1,500 steams = 1 sell and 10 tracks SOLD = 1 sell.

It's not 10 streams = 1 sell and 10 single steams = 1 sell.

Either way they need to separate it.


Time has changed but they can't go by new rules and give the same rewards. It don't make sense.

 

[flesh prince]

 10 tracks SOLD = 1 sell.
 

What?

How do you sell a track on a streaming service lol?

Explain this

 

[wavycrocket]

What?

How do you sell a track on a streaming service lol?

Explain this

Most tracks are like $1.99. You can pay $9.99 a month for Apple...and stream everything in their system.

If you chose not to...you can buy a single track for $1.99

 

[krazyrodzilla]

What?

How do you sell a track on a streaming service lol?

Explain this

Track Equivalent Albums. A track equivalent album (TEA) is a term used to describe the sale of music downloads or singles. A track equivalent album is equal to 10 tracks, or 10 songs.

On December 3, 2014, for the first time, music streams were included in the album sales charts released by Nielsen SoundScan for Billboard. This included streams for major services such as Spotify and Beats Music (now Apple Music). Additionally, single track sales that had previously been accounted for in a separate SoundScan report were now integrated into the Billboard 200 chart. SoundScan decided to equate 1,500 streams with one album sale, with ten single sales equating to one album sale.

 

[Hahahaha]

I know about streams, consuming music, charts and actual sales. Been into that **** since I first saw the gold and platinum section in 95 in The Source. The experts have already said that these streaming numbers are BS and are creating false numbers but I will trust the 2-3 Drake stans that say otherwise.

What "experts" said these streaming numbers were BS.

I'm not even doubting you, I would just like to see it. 

I posted a Billboard article about how misleading Drake's sales were. Fader also had an article about how phony these numbers are.

Sales talk ruined everything. 

Sales talk started with Pac and Bad Boy. Then carried on with No Limit. It's been around for a long time.

What?

How do you sell a track on a streaming service lol?

Explain this

Most tracks are like $1.99. You can pay $9.99 a month for Apple...and stream everything in their system.

If you chose not to...you can buy a single track for $1.99

Tracks are .99-1.29.

The fact that you can count 10 single sales as an album sale is dumb as hell to me. So Hotling Bling had sold mad singles and was streamed like crazy. That **** made up more than half of Drake's first week numbers according to billboard.


I think Drake is still gold right now, approaching platinum if you took away streams. He would be platinum regardless. Tiller barely sold any albums and his **** is already platinum, which is dumb. Big Sean's album is like double or triple platinum now because of streams. He's never been a big seller. It takes away from those that actually sold mad albums. I bring up sales because like I said, I was fascinated when I seen it in The Source years ago. Thought it was real interesting to see who sold what. Sales doesn't mean **** to me when it comes to buying or checking out new music. I bought four CDs so far this year and they're all under 100K sold but they're quality music and they earned my money.

 

[delete1234]

ballerific dude takes hate to a whole new level

 

[$tacy]

Same can be said about u with the stanning.... he balances things out around here.

 

[flesh prince]

Most tracks are like $1.99. You can pay $9.99 a month for Apple...and stream everything in their system.

If you chose not to...you can buy a single track for $1.99

Track Equivalent Albums. A track equivalent album (TEA) is a term used to describe the sale of music downloads or singles. A track equivalent album is equal to 10 tracks, or 10 songs.

On December 3, 2014, for the first time, music streams were included in the album sales charts released by Nielsen SoundScan for Billboard. This included streams for major services such as Spotify and Beats Music (now Apple Music). Additionally, single track sales that had previously been accounted for in a separate SoundScan report were now integrated into the Billboard 200 chart. SoundScan decided to equate 1,500 streams with one album sale, with ten single sales equating to one album sale.

Thanks.

That's interesting. I still think that the curated playlists puff up the numbers but this does make it more accurate than I initially thought it as.

 

[Grine]

ballerific dude takes hate to a whole new level

Grimey got that title, b

 

[flesh prince]

I posted a Billboard article about how misleading Drake's sales were. Fader also had an article about how phony these numbers are.
Sales talk started with Pac and Bad Boy. Then carried on with No Limit. It's been around for a long time.
Tracks are .99-1.29.

The fact that you can count 10 single sales as an album sale is dumb as hell to me. So Hotling Bling had sold mad singles and was streamed like crazy. That **** made up more than half of Drake's first week numbers according to billboard.


I think Drake is still gold right now, approaching platinum if you took away streams. He would be platinum regardless. Tiller barely sold any albums and his **** is already platinum, which is dumb. Big Sean's album is like double or triple platinum now because of streams. He's never been a big seller. It takes away from those that actually sold mad albums. I bring up sales because like I said, I was fascinated when I seen it in The Source years ago. Thought it was real interesting to see who sold what. Sales doesn't mean **** to me when it comes to buying or checking out new music. I bought four CDs so far this year and they're all under 100K sold but they're quality music and they earned my money.

I mean all this really does is take it back to the 90's/Early 2000's where everyone was going platinum/double platinum.

It's really just a vanity move on the label's part IMO to say "we have x amount of platinum/multiplatinum artists" because it doesn't change the cash flow. These streaming services literally giving these artists long *** decimals of a penny 

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