FDA Barring Food Makers from Advertising Products as GMO-Free... Strictly Veggie Here On Out.

Originally Posted by Al Audi

Originally Posted by Method Man

There are a lot of great reasons to go vegan, but keep in mind that abstaining from animal products will not, in and of itself, keep GM foods out of your diet. 

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exactly

i understand this 100%

like i said..........i dont trust any of those places i shop, i just feel helpless.

an yea i love to go to restaurants also.......you already know.

should we just accept that we cant avoid it at this point.....?

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Originally Posted by Al Audi

Originally Posted by Method Man

There are a lot of great reasons to go vegan, but keep in mind that abstaining from animal products will not, in and of itself, keep GM foods out of your diet. 

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exactly

i understand this 100%

like i said..........i dont trust any of those places i shop, i just feel helpless.

an yea i love to go to restaurants also.......you already know.

should we just accept that we cant avoid it at this point.....?

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Originally Posted by CincoSeisDos

Originally Posted by Al Audi

Originally Posted by Method Man

There are a lot of great reasons to go vegan, but keep in mind that abstaining from animal products will not, in and of itself, keep GM foods out of your diet. 

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exactly

i understand this 100%

like i said..........i dont trust any of those places i shop, i just feel helpless.

an yea i love to go to restaurants also.......you already know.

should we just accept that we cant avoid it at this point.....?

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I believe the best we can do is to limit our intake as much as possible, but cutting it out 100% is impossible

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Holistic health focuses on all facets of human functioning, which involves our taking responsibility for maintaining all aspect of our well-being.

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Originally Posted by CincoSeisDos

Originally Posted by Al Audi

Originally Posted by Method Man

There are a lot of great reasons to go vegan, but keep in mind that abstaining from animal products will not, in and of itself, keep GM foods out of your diet. 

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exactly

i understand this 100%

like i said..........i dont trust any of those places i shop, i just feel helpless.

an yea i love to go to restaurants also.......you already know.

should we just accept that we cant avoid it at this point.....?

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I believe the best we can do is to limit our intake as much as possible, but cutting it out 100% is impossible

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Holistic health focuses on all facets of human functioning, which involves our taking responsibility for maintaining all aspect of our well-being.

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Originally Posted by Al Audi

weve had threads on niketalk about alumiminum and flouride..................man i use toms of main deodorant, i use natural shampoos, skin products...........i dunno i dont think im obsessed i just try my best.

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Originally Posted by Al Audi

weve had threads on niketalk about alumiminum and flouride..................man i use toms of main deodorant, i use natural shampoos, skin products...........i dunno i dont think im obsessed i just try my best.

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like i said..........i dont trust any of those places i shop, i just feel helpless.

an yea i love to go to restaurants also.......you already know.

should we just accept that we cant avoid it at this point.....?
Yeah, it's particularly difficult if you're dining out or traveling.  As a vegan, you tend to develop enough trust issues with restaurants as it is - and, with the exception of artificial flavors etc. animal-derived ingredients are generally labeled (though you practically have to be a chemist to identify many of them.)  Unless it's part of the restaurant's philosophy to source GMO-free ingredients, odds are their selections will be geared around cost-effectiveness and the likelihood of being served GM foods is high (and rising.)

We're already suffering, just from a flavor standpoint, from even conventional cross-breeding strategies in that tomatoes, for example, have dramatically decreased in quality just within our young lifetimes.  The goal, now, is just to maximize product yield - which means big, watery tomatoes laced with toxins.  If, however, you go to a local farmers' market, often you'll find that vendors actually want to talk to you about how their crops are produced.  Many farmers take deserved pride in their work and sometimes you can find out if they are using Roundup Ready seeds, etc. and make your purchasing decisions accordingly.  You're not going to get that type of interaction at a grocery store and, with no labeling, you may as well assume the worst. 

Now, do you just concede to nihilism, throw up your hands, and say, 'well, it doesn't seem like there's any sense worrying about it now.  The government has long since sold out to the likes of Monstanto, Cargill, et al. and there's nothing we can do to stop it"?   I don't think that's a particularly healthy attitude. 

In a way, there's some convergence here with climate change issues in that the response requires, to a certain extent, a rebuke of the wholesale globalization that's gotten us into this mess.  In other words, we need to think local.  The "slow foods" movement can work hand in hand with efforts to resist GM crops and monoculture.  The truth of the matter is that if you live in New York and you want strawberries in December, you'll be getting crops shipped in from who knows where and not only does that stress the environment but when you have year-round demand for strawberries from all over the world, naturally that creates pressure to produce as much as possible - and we're seeing the consequences of that.  A more sustainable approach would revolve around locally-grown, seasonal produce.   The catch here, as always, is to make sure it's an equitable process that doesn't wind up consigning GM crops to those who can't afford what will be marketed as these pure, trendy "designer" organics.  The poorest food producers AND consumers are practically bullied into choosing GM products.  It's gonna take more than just green roofs to make alternatives practical for the average working family.  That's the real challenge.

dr bronners soap bro. toms of maine toothpaste/deodorant
Dr. Bronner's is the truth.  The manifesto printed on every label doesn't help prevent people from thinking you're a kook, though.  Some of the mineral salt deodorants are worth trying, too.  They're aluminum and paraben free.

Y'all need to move here to NZ

All our products here have the right to proclaim they're GE-Free ((genetically engineered) what we call it in NZ), and we take pride in being 'green' hence us being a "Nuclear Free Zone" and our ban on letting American nuclear ships into our waters (that was a huge deal fyi).

Buy some land with a view of the mountains, grow your own stuff. We have a lot of GE-free food and crops here. May I also remind you that we make up 1/3 of the world's dairy industry.

Our dairy and meat exports >>> *
You had me until the dairy and meat thing.  Now it's starting to sound like Kansas City.

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like i said..........i dont trust any of those places i shop, i just feel helpless.

an yea i love to go to restaurants also.......you already know.

should we just accept that we cant avoid it at this point.....?
Yeah, it's particularly difficult if you're dining out or traveling.  As a vegan, you tend to develop enough trust issues with restaurants as it is - and, with the exception of artificial flavors etc. animal-derived ingredients are generally labeled (though you practically have to be a chemist to identify many of them.)  Unless it's part of the restaurant's philosophy to source GMO-free ingredients, odds are their selections will be geared around cost-effectiveness and the likelihood of being served GM foods is high (and rising.)

We're already suffering, just from a flavor standpoint, from even conventional cross-breeding strategies in that tomatoes, for example, have dramatically decreased in quality just within our young lifetimes.  The goal, now, is just to maximize product yield - which means big, watery tomatoes laced with toxins.  If, however, you go to a local farmers' market, often you'll find that vendors actually want to talk to you about how their crops are produced.  Many farmers take deserved pride in their work and sometimes you can find out if they are using Roundup Ready seeds, etc. and make your purchasing decisions accordingly.  You're not going to get that type of interaction at a grocery store and, with no labeling, you may as well assume the worst. 

Now, do you just concede to nihilism, throw up your hands, and say, 'well, it doesn't seem like there's any sense worrying about it now.  The government has long since sold out to the likes of Monstanto, Cargill, et al. and there's nothing we can do to stop it"?   I don't think that's a particularly healthy attitude. 

In a way, there's some convergence here with climate change issues in that the response requires, to a certain extent, a rebuke of the wholesale globalization that's gotten us into this mess.  In other words, we need to think local.  The "slow foods" movement can work hand in hand with efforts to resist GM crops and monoculture.  The truth of the matter is that if you live in New York and you want strawberries in December, you'll be getting crops shipped in from who knows where and not only does that stress the environment but when you have year-round demand for strawberries from all over the world, naturally that creates pressure to produce as much as possible - and we're seeing the consequences of that.  A more sustainable approach would revolve around locally-grown, seasonal produce.   The catch here, as always, is to make sure it's an equitable process that doesn't wind up consigning GM crops to those who can't afford what will be marketed as these pure, trendy "designer" organics.  The poorest food producers AND consumers are practically bullied into choosing GM products.  It's gonna take more than just green roofs to make alternatives practical for the average working family.  That's the real challenge.

dr bronners soap bro. toms of maine toothpaste/deodorant
Dr. Bronner's is the truth.  The manifesto printed on every label doesn't help prevent people from thinking you're a kook, though.  Some of the mineral salt deodorants are worth trying, too.  They're aluminum and paraben free.

Y'all need to move here to NZ

All our products here have the right to proclaim they're GE-Free ((genetically engineered) what we call it in NZ), and we take pride in being 'green' hence us being a "Nuclear Free Zone" and our ban on letting American nuclear ships into our waters (that was a huge deal fyi).

Buy some land with a view of the mountains, grow your own stuff. We have a lot of GE-free food and crops here. May I also remind you that we make up 1/3 of the world's dairy industry.

Our dairy and meat exports >>> *
You had me until the dairy and meat thing.  Now it's starting to sound like Kansas City.

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“What most people don’t know, but they should, is that practically every food you buy in a store — for consumption by humans — is genetically modified food,” Tyson continues. ”There are no wild, seedless watermelons. There’s no wild cows.”

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“You list all the fruit, and all the vegetables, and ask yourself, is there a wild counterpart to this? If there is, it’s not as large, it’s not as sweet, it’s not as juicy and it has way more seeds in it. We have systematically genetically modified all the foods, the vegetables and animals that we have eaten ever since we cultivated them. It’s called artificial selection. So now we can do it in a lab, and all of a sudden you’re gonna complain?”

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Osh Kosh Bosh said:

Neil deGrasse Tyson goes to town on GMO critics



http://www.vox.com/2014/7/31/5954941/neil-degrasse-tyson-gmo-food
 

“What most people don’t know, but they should, is that practically every food you buy in a store — for consumption by humans — is genetically modified food,” Tyson continues. ”There are no wild, seedless watermelons. There’s no wild cows.”

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“You list all the fruit, and all the vegetables, and ask yourself, is there a wild counterpart to this? If there is, it’s not as large, it’s not as sweet, it’s not as juicy and it has way more seeds in it. We have systematically genetically modified all the foods, the vegetables and animals that we have eaten ever since we cultivated them. It’s called artificial selection. So now we can do it in a lab, and all of a sudden you’re gonna complain?”

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Since people were making fun of me for not being a scientist on my GMO opinion, here is astro physicist confirming what I and any other marginally scientifically literate person has been saying the subject.


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "NATURAL" FOOD.

Are there legitimate reasons to dislike a company like Monsanto? YES. But the supposed health risks, NO, there is no such thing as food that hasn't been genetically modified.

GMO labling is simply another way for companies like whole foods to charge you more money.

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

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7thAve btn 31stN33rd St said:

Cows naturally eat grass, humans didnt cultivate them to eat grass.

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