Air Jordan 1 Banned NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING!!

jayzigotem · Jan 5, 2014

BigLefty23 said:
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree about the 2013 Retro 3's. The shape was very 2003, the elephant print wasn't even close to the original.
The elephant print we've come to love is nothing close to the OG print.

If they really tried to do OG 3's people would complain the elephant print is too small and you can barely see the definition.

Can't deny your points, but what I meant was overall branding and packaging.

Both 2013 bred 1s and 88' 3s, in terms of quality and shape, both lack to true og cut and treatment. Not to be picky, but the og Breds, and even all of the og's in 13' should've deserved the tagless treatment with the size stamped on the side. They would've been more appreciated I think. Let's not forget the hang tags as well .

In terms of today's buyers, I guess none of what I'm saying matters, as long as they think they have the "og" version, they are satisfied. Lol

paulleinahtan · Jan 5, 2014

It's nice to see people still care about the real OG treatment and not the resell price of these retros.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

JayzIGotEm said:
^^^^^^
The reason I pointed out variants is because you will NOT find a fake banned 1. I found plenty of variant og Breds, all over the place.

Not knocking the 2013, I own a pair. When it comes down to how easily you can copy a shoe, banned ones are simply not gonna be easily done like an og can be done.

That's what makes the banned more special and exclusive.

And yes. Shadows > Breds and royals as well for me.

Should it really matter if a shoe is more exclusive or not?

I recall you saying earlier that you're a quality > quantity kind of guy. I'm with you on that, but I would have to argue that the Banned 1s are only marginally better in terms of overall quality. The factor of the leather being softer and more pliable than other iterations of the 1s is a preferential argument I can respect, but to phrase it in such a way that the Banned 1s leather is undisputedly superior seems a bit much to me. I'm positive they didn't retail for than $150, meaning it cost Nike significantly less to actually make the shoes. If we consider the cost of production for either of the shoes, we can be certain that the leather used for either one is nowhere near "premium". I would say that the Banned 1s gives a better illusion of premium quality, but that's it.

Perhaps it would help to have an operational definition of what "quality" is. For me in regards to leather, "quality" would be objectively measured by whether or not it is genuine, how much it cost to produce and procure, texture, etc. Most people vouch for only one aspect of what may constitute "quality" when using this set of standards. What about the authenticity of the leather?

I would not consider the Banned 1s as a shoe having absolutely superior quality leather, considering once again the cost of production that went into both shoes. Banned 1s retailed for a price that refutes arguments for the shoes as being made of legitimate, high quality leather. Nike in their right minds would not price the Banned 1s for what they retailed for if the shoes are indeed as premium as people make them out to be.

Again, I'd like to reiterate that I understand the overall feel of the Banned 1s as softer can be a difference maker in terms of which version someone would prefer. But to say with absolute certainty that the Banned 1s have superior leather is questionable.

So having taken into consideration the quality argument, that only leaves two other traits that would argue for the Banned 1s being more desirable than the 2013: exclusivity and gimmicks.

Some might like the Banned 1s more since it is pretty unique, with the way it is presented and all.

As much as many would say otherwise, based on the remarks made about the shoes, I feel as if most people desire the Banned 1s more mainly due to their exclusive nature.

jayzigotem · Jan 8, 2014

If it came down to which version of shoe that a collector would let go first, I honestly think they would keep the banned > retro og. That's why you won't find many on sale as to the retro og.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

JayzIGotEm said:
If it came down to which version of shoe that a collector would let go first, I honestly think they would keep the banned > retro og. That's why you won't find many on sale as to the retro og.

Once again, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that point. I think it depends on what kind of collector we are talking about. There are those that would rather keep shoes more accurate to the original, and there are those who prefer the more scarce rendition. If by collector you are referring to the latter, then absolutely. They would naturally want to keep the Banneds, seeing as they are more likely to be worth more in the future due to their relative scarcity. Otherwise, I think people would rather keep the 2013 retro.

whodatiz · Jan 8, 2014

Sold my size 12 for $1,015, scooped up a pair of the 2013s for retail. Zero regrets here.

jdilla14 · Jan 8, 2014

whodatiz said:
Sold my size 12 for $1,015, scooped up a pair of the 2013s for retail. Zero regrets here.

, got me thinking I should sell my ds sz 11 doe

jayzigotem · Jan 8, 2014

Yoof said:
Once again, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that point. I think it depends on what kind of collector we are talking about. There are those that would rather keep shoes more accurate to the original, and there are those who prefer the more scarce rendition. If by collector you are referring to the latter, then absolutely. They would naturally want to keep the Banneds, seeing as they are more likely to be worth more in the future due to their relative scarcity. Otherwise, I think people would rather keep the 2013 retro.

I think this calls for a voting poll. Lol

The I only reason I made that statement is due to the marketplace. Banned 1's we're not flooded on ebay on the level of the retro og.

You're talking to someone who has experienced the banned release in houston, tx! They only sold one per person here, no gimmicks! There was no such thing as "double up and sell a pair". People came from different cities all around the state, and you had to camp 12 hours and go through hell just to assure your pair! I guarantee most of the people who got their pairs still have them to this day, because I sure can't find any for sale on my local craigslist at all, and I been looking for a second pair for over a year now.

suprasaiyan · Jan 8, 2014

JayzIGotEm said:
If it came down to which version of shoe that a collector would let go first, I honestly think they would keep the banned > retro og. That's why you won't find many on sale as to the retro og.

For me, I would never let go of any of my Banned 1's before my 2013s. True collector's would know the '94 are closest rendition of the OG than any other retro's.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

JayzIGotEm said:
I think this calls for a voting poll. Lol

The I only reason I made that statement is due to the marketplace. Banned 1's we're not flooded on ebay on the level of the retro og.

You're talking to someone who has experienced the banned release in houston, tx! They only sold one per person here, no gimmicks! There was no such thing as "double up and sell a pair". People came from different cities all around the state, and you had to camp 12 hours and go through hell just to assure your pair! I guarantee most of the people who got their pairs still have them to this day, because I sure can't find any for sale on my local craigslist at all, and I been looking for a second pair for over a year now.

Haha I'm pretty sure I addressed what you just said when I mentioned collectors with a preference for more exclusive and scarce shoes. Of course you are right, agreed with you in the previous post. But again, that's only considering exclusivity. For a hypothetical collector that is aiming to have all the originals, or at least as close of a rendition as attainable, given the choice between Banned 1s and 2013 retros, all signs point to 2013. Given that there are still some differences between the originals and recent retros, 2013 is undoubtedly more accurate.

So once again, it really depends on what kind of collector we are talking about.

Collectors with profits in mind/ preference for exclusivity? I would agree with you.

Collectors with nostalgia in mind/ preference for accuracy to the original? I would disagree.

jayzigotem · Jan 8, 2014

SupraSaiyan said:
For me, I would never let go of any of my Banned 1's before my 2013s. True collector's would know the '94 are closest rendition of the OG than any other retro's.

I made the same statements about the 94's earlier. People are already forgetting about them it seems since this '13 og hype.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

SupraSaiyan said:
For me, I would never let go of any of my Banned 1's before my 2013s. True collector's would know the '94 are closest rendition of the OG than any other retro's.

Of course, 94s are most definitely the closest, but those are pretty difficult to come by. More expensive too. If '94, 2001, Banned, and 2013 were all offered for the same (reasonable) price, picking the '94 is a no brainer lol

JayzIGotEm said:
I made the same statements about the 94's earlier. People are already forgetting about them it seems since this '13 og hype.

rhinosport · Jan 8, 2014

In this day of age, the youngsters and hipsters want the "exclusivity". They would go to any length ($$) to be/feel special. Nike knows this and loves this "culture".

jayzigotem · Jan 8, 2014

Yoof said:
Of course, 94s are most definitely the closest, but those are pretty difficult to come by. More expensive too. If '94, 2001, Banned, and 2013 were all offered for the same (reasonable) price, picking the '94 is a no brainer lol

So at the end of the day, $$$ talks when it comes to collections. You're right, some collectors just don't have deep pockets as other collectors do to buy the 85's or 94's. Me personally, I would never call or think of any retro as"OG". Even if it's on the box, it's not OG. It's a replica of it.

Banned's were not replicated, they were meant to distinguish the story behind the shoe. Just looking at the banned would make you wanna do some research. Lol

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

JayzIGotEm said:
I made the same statements about the 94's earlier. People are already forgetting about them it seems since this '13 og hype.

JayzIGotEm said:
So at the end of the day, $$$ talks when it comes to collections. You're right, some collectors just don't have deep pockets as other collectors do to buy the 85's or 94's. Me personally, I would never call or think of any retro as"OG". Even if it's on the box, it's not OG. It's a replica of it.

Banned's were not replicated, they were meant to distinguish the story behind the shoe. Just looking at the banned would make you wanna do some research. Lol

JayzIGotEm said:
I made the same statements about the 94's earlier. People are already forgetting about them it seems since this '13 og hype.

Of course. I never considered any of the retros to be "OG", simply close to it. Got to take the best out of what is given, right? Also, correct. In a sense the Banneds weren't replicated, but that is by virtue of the gimmicks alone. The box could have been all the story telling needed, but I personally don't like the excess emphasis of the "Banned" concept with unnecessary X's on the liner and the somewhat subtle, yet overall obnoxious X on the back of the shoe. I can vibe with logo changes, but I really hate it when additional logos are added to places where they shouldn't be. That's just my $0.02.

lamekilla · Jan 8, 2014

So we're really gonna sit here like the Nike air wasn't the original reason these were sought after...

jayzigotem · Jan 8, 2014

Yoof said:
Of course. I never considered any of the retros to be "OG", simply close to it. Got to take the best out of what is given, right? Also, correct. In a sense the Banneds weren't replicated, but that is by virtue of the gimmicks alone. The box could have been all the story telling needed, but I personally don't like the excess emphasis of the "Banned" concept with unnecessary X's on the liner and the somewhat subtle, yet overall obnoxious X on the back of the shoe. I can vibe with logo changes, but I really hate it when additional logos are added to places where they shouldn't be. That's just my $0.02.

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Yoof said:
Of course. I never considered any of the retros to be "OG", simply close to it. Got to take the best out of what is given, right? Also, correct. In a sense the Banneds weren't replicated, but that is by virtue of the gimmicks alone. The box could have been all the story telling needed, but I personally don't like the excess emphasis of the "Banned" concept with unnecessary X's on the liner and the somewhat subtle, yet overall obnoxious X on the back of the shoe. I can vibe with logo changes, but I really hate it when additional logos are added to places where they shouldn't be. That's just $0.02.

I respect your opinions. I'm glad we can have a debate about shoes without saying which one is overall better. We have to appreciate each version for what it has to offer. I was fortunate to own every Bred 1 release since 94', and I got those for $19.95 at my local Weiners when they were open. I was 9 at the time. To be honest, my favorite version is with the strap. A lot of people hate them but I love them.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

lamekilla said:
So we're really gonna sit here like the Nike air wasn't the original reason these were sought after...

Good point. But in retrospect, with the slew of NA 1s that released the past year, if that were indeed the whole case, then prices should have dropped a bit. Doesn't seem to be the case, as the exclusivity has taken over as the primary driving force for the demand of these shoes.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

JayzIGotEm said:
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I respect your opinions. I'm glad we can have a debate about shoes without saying which one is overall better. We have to appreciate each version for what it has to offer. I was fortunate to own every Bred 1 release since 94', and I got those for $19.95 at my local Weiners when they were open. I was 9 at the time. To be honest, my favorite version is with the strap. A lot of people hate them but I love them.

Haha likewise bro. Hey, at least you even own one pair of similar-to-the-OG 1s

. Not one, but TWO! Banned AND the 2013s lol. I have to settle for my 2009 DMPs with the tragic Jumpman on the back

missed out on the 2013 retro

Bert. · Jan 8, 2014

where can you find these other than ebay?

id like to find a pair for a decent price

lamekilla · Jan 8, 2014

Yoof said:
Good point. But in retrospect, with the slew of NA 1s that released the past year, if that were indeed the whole case, then prices should have dropped a bit. Doesn't seem to be the case, as the exclusivity has taken over as the primary driving force for the demand of these shoes.

Hindsight is 20/20. Of course now that we have a slew of OG branded 1's including this color way it's easy to throw banned's on a pedestal but at the time of release how many people actually cares about air Jordan 1's....as opposed to now. Quality is great on these but meant nothing back then when you had something like '09 shadows rotting on shelves.

jayzigotem · Jan 8, 2014

Yoof said:
Haha likewise bro. Hey, at least you even own one pair of similar-to-the-OG 1s . Not one, but TWO! Banned AND the 2013s lol. I have to settle for my 2009 DMPs with the tragic Jumpman on the back :\ missed out on the 2013 retro

I hope you can own a pair of Banned's and 13's for yourself. I think you will understand better why I cut for the Banned's so much. There's simply no other jordan like them when you hold a pair. They have a very special feeling.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

JayzIGotEm said:
I hope you can own a pair of Banned's and 13's for yourself. I think you will understand better why I cut for the Banned's so much. There's simply no other jordan like them when you hold a pair. They have a very special feeling.

Thanks man, I hope so too. Haha but I think the BIN Jordans would like to have a word with you. If JB produced anything even remotely close to top notch quality, it would most likely be the BINs.

lamekilla said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Of course now that we have a slew of OG branded 1's including this color way it's easy to throw banned's on a pedestal but at the time of release how many people actually cares about air Jordan 1's....as opposed to now. Quality is great on these but meant nothing back then when you had something like '09 shadows rotting on shelves.

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I am by no means putting the Banned 1s on a pedestal, I'm just restating the general consensus around here haha. In fact, I'd think that the Banneds should plummet in price since the 2013 is closer to the original in terms of overall presentation and execution, assuming that the primary reason people want Banneds is still the NA treatment.

bballermarkie · Jan 8, 2014

Well as for the '94s soon those are going to cost the same in VNDS form than a pair of '13s. Often times the Banneds have already jumped them in price. I know they're different shoes but I got my '94 Chicagos for 400 in almost perfect conditions. B/Reds are a more sought after color way but I'm sure you could still find a suitable pair in that ballpark.

yoof · Jan 8, 2014

bballermarkie said:
Well as for the '94s soon those are going to cost the same in VNDS form than a pair of '13s. Often times the Banneds have already jumped them in price. I know they're different shoes but I got my '94 Chicagos for 400 in almost perfect conditions. B/Reds are a more sought after color way but I'm sure you could still find a suitable pair in that ballpark.

I'd love to find a pair in that price range, but I think in my case I'm going to need quite a bit of luck

. Hopefully JB just releases the Chicago colorway minus the Jumpman at the back. That shoe is what got me into Jordans in the first place. I'm still baffled that they didn't give the Chicagos the OG treatment this year

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