Do GREAT sneakers create Hype....Or does Hype create GREAT sneakers????

Originally Posted by Executive76

Hype create GREAT sneakers for majority

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Foamposites for example... (a generic example now days) Foams have been
around since release date.... They did well but poorly in some places.
But keep in mind... They released and released in a diff form to
decrease the price but then retro'd in 02.... Foams are dope....


Which leads to my "conclusion".... When the youngins see the old heads
wanting and proclaiming that foams are dope/ill/tight/etc... They
follow. Theyre being led to believe these are dope and great.... So it's
gonna grasp more attention to the rest.... So it gets the true fans
more interested and worried so they "hype" it up and that leads to more
hypebeasts.....

for the most part this is true. But from my experience until 2009 Foams weren't available in my area even then one store got 10 pairs of the Eggplants. Same still goes for a lot of non JB shoes.



See I dont argree with that.....I ALMOST bought into the hype (Im not gonna lie I was THIIISSS CLOSE to jumping in the car for the midnight release)....Then I kinda caught myself...Now Understand...Im a 33 year old whose been in the life since 94....I have a love (some say addiction) to ATF (So whack that I just typed that)....Im not an SB, Jordan, Lebron, Nike anything head...I have about as diverse a collection as you will EVER find....My collection is to the point that I dont HAVE to buy the HOT "IT" sneaker..or the one that everyone is beasting over...I find certain qualities about a sneaker that for one reason or another attracts me to them....Example...I just cop'd those Loon SB's cause I loved the embrodery on the sides of the sneakers...I think it was such an awesome touch that they did not HAVE to do...but FOR ME it was enough to seal the deal....Another example...I cop'd those Reebok Pump Haze joints cause the suede and color way was exceptional...But in terms of the Lebron's...I love the colorway...Not because its loud or anything like that..but because the use of Teal and sutle pink...IMO..just compliment each other soooo welll.....Then it prompted this thought in my head...Im a feel it.. touch it... wear it.. kinda guy and I haven't EVEN seen these in person...tried them on...nothing...but Im willing to stand in the cold for a few hours just for the POSSIBILITY of getting my pair....That just seemed crazy to me.....How many people camp...then have the opportunity to cop...and then decide (after trying them on) this is really not for me?????? Is it HYPE that conveninces you as your in that store that these are really DOPE???? Or were they ALWAYS dope...you just had to see them in person???? (Hence the question)

I have to agree with dude who was talking about the Lunars....Its a sneaker that I would never give a second look to...Im not even really sure why....I grabbed a pair at the outlet after reading Franks review from the Chi Marathon...saw and tried them on...and now they are my FAVORITE gym sneaker...SUPER Comfortable....Now is there any hype behind them?? I would say no...they are VERY much available....But its a great sneaker that people talk VERY highly about....creating a buzz...which can ultimately create hype...

Another example...I just grabbed a pair of Zoom Dons...Yo...one of the most lightweight and comforable performence sneakers Nike made in the last year...They bricked harder then a chick who caught her husband cheating when they went to retail....But due to those circumstance I cop'd for $19.99 at the outlet....Honestly I love these things....When people ask I HIGHLY recommond them....HYPE didnt make me do it...but its a great sneaker that I can put a buzz in peoples ear about....

Last example....The first Spizike....first off...Spizike (how ever you spell that @**@) are a horrible frankenstein sneaker...Not comfortable...Differently not a performence sneaker...barely a fashion sneaker..yet...they sold out like crazy alll along 95 when they released....If you can find an authentic pair...in DS condition they command an above retail price...even to this day.....When ever I see this horrible Jamacian looking things..Im like YO are people blind...these *$%$! are horrible...But....Most of the county did not get access to them...so Hype and limited quanties make them hunted by all the beast....

Last note...Yeezy's for $200....ABSOLUTELY...My man...Have you seen some of the garbarge that Nike puts out for $160-$200...I mean I guess I understand cause these days who the hell pays retail anymore so most of the time we dont realize what retail is...But Griffey's are $160...and the materials and quality that was used to create those isnt even CLOSE to what was used for Yeezys....Now I think the dudes that ran out and gave LV and Kanye $10000000000g's are just stupid...@**@...Reebok even some Supra's have materials that are on par with those "High Quality" kicks...

Just my opinion

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Originally Posted by Executive76

Hype create GREAT sneakers for majority

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Foamposites for example... (a generic example now days) Foams have been
around since release date.... They did well but poorly in some places.
But keep in mind... They released and released in a diff form to
decrease the price but then retro'd in 02.... Foams are dope....


Which leads to my "conclusion".... When the youngins see the old heads
wanting and proclaiming that foams are dope/ill/tight/etc... They
follow. Theyre being led to believe these are dope and great.... So it's
gonna grasp more attention to the rest.... So it gets the true fans
more interested and worried so they "hype" it up and that leads to more
hypebeasts.....

for the most part this is true. But from my experience until 2009 Foams weren't available in my area even then one store got 10 pairs of the Eggplants. Same still goes for a lot of non JB shoes.



See I dont argree with that.....I ALMOST bought into the hype (Im not gonna lie I was THIIISSS CLOSE to jumping in the car for the midnight release)....Then I kinda caught myself...Now Understand...Im a 33 year old whose been in the life since 94....I have a love (some say addiction) to ATF (So whack that I just typed that)....Im not an SB, Jordan, Lebron, Nike anything head...I have about as diverse a collection as you will EVER find....My collection is to the point that I dont HAVE to buy the HOT "IT" sneaker..or the one that everyone is beasting over...I find certain qualities about a sneaker that for one reason or another attracts me to them....Example...I just cop'd those Loon SB's cause I loved the embrodery on the sides of the sneakers...I think it was such an awesome touch that they did not HAVE to do...but FOR ME it was enough to seal the deal....Another example...I cop'd those Reebok Pump Haze joints cause the suede and color way was exceptional...But in terms of the Lebron's...I love the colorway...Not because its loud or anything like that..but because the use of Teal and sutle pink...IMO..just compliment each other soooo welll.....Then it prompted this thought in my head...Im a feel it.. touch it... wear it.. kinda guy and I haven't EVEN seen these in person...tried them on...nothing...but Im willing to stand in the cold for a few hours just for the POSSIBILITY of getting my pair....That just seemed crazy to me.....How many people camp...then have the opportunity to cop...and then decide (after trying them on) this is really not for me?????? Is it HYPE that conveninces you as your in that store that these are really DOPE???? Or were they ALWAYS dope...you just had to see them in person???? (Hence the question)

I have to agree with dude who was talking about the Lunars....Its a sneaker that I would never give a second look to...Im not even really sure why....I grabbed a pair at the outlet after reading Franks review from the Chi Marathon...saw and tried them on...and now they are my FAVORITE gym sneaker...SUPER Comfortable....Now is there any hype behind them?? I would say no...they are VERY much available....But its a great sneaker that people talk VERY highly about....creating a buzz...which can ultimately create hype...

Another example...I just grabbed a pair of Zoom Dons...Yo...one of the most lightweight and comforable performence sneakers Nike made in the last year...They bricked harder then a chick who caught her husband cheating when they went to retail....But due to those circumstance I cop'd for $19.99 at the outlet....Honestly I love these things....When people ask I HIGHLY recommond them....HYPE didnt make me do it...but its a great sneaker that I can put a buzz in peoples ear about....

Last example....The first Spizike....first off...Spizike (how ever you spell that @**@) are a horrible frankenstein sneaker...Not comfortable...Differently not a performence sneaker...barely a fashion sneaker..yet...they sold out like crazy alll along 95 when they released....If you can find an authentic pair...in DS condition they command an above retail price...even to this day.....When ever I see this horrible Jamacian looking things..Im like YO are people blind...these *$%$! are horrible...But....Most of the county did not get access to them...so Hype and limited quanties make them hunted by all the beast....

Last note...Yeezy's for $200....ABSOLUTELY...My man...Have you seen some of the garbarge that Nike puts out for $160-$200...I mean I guess I understand cause these days who the hell pays retail anymore so most of the time we dont realize what retail is...But Griffey's are $160...and the materials and quality that was used to create those isnt even CLOSE to what was used for Yeezys....Now I think the dudes that ran out and gave LV and Kanye $10000000000g's are just stupid...@**@...Reebok even some Supra's have materials that are on par with those "High Quality" kicks...

Just my opinion

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Originally Posted by ILLustRAYt

First, I think we should ask ourselves, "What makes a GREAT SNEAKER? Is it the materials used, functionality, aesthetics, comfort, price, performance, history, etc?". 

In my opinion, I think the statement is reciprocal. I agree on both terms of the statement. I've fallen victim into buying HYPED (i.e. limited, special materials, collaborations, quality, etc) shoes numerous times from 03-08. As, I grew older and wiser through the years, my spending habits with sneakers has definitely changed. Back then, if I bought, a so called, "limited", sneaker, I remotely thought it was a GREAT shoe, which was utterly naive. Why? Because of the presumed exclusivity, history, materials used, quality, etc. Now, that I've owned 100+ of sneakers, sold the more than half of them and, currently, own less than 40 pairs, I just buy what looks good to ME and what I TRULY like (I know, I know NT cliché) 

To put the shoe on the other foot, GREAT sneakers can also create HYPE. Speaking for myself, I think Lunars are GREAT shoes because they can account for most, if not all, the factors I previously mentioned. I've been running in Lunar tech for more than two years now, and I've started running more than four years ago. They've helped me perform, train and race in my first marathon several months ago, when I finished in the Top 8.5%. But I digress. Since I was so amazed by the Lunar series, I posted a thread in the Sneaker Showcase forum. I knew not that many people would post in it since the Lunar tech is considerably new and the majority of NT wear their shoes casually, but that thread has grown pretty quickly. From the "reviews" from that thread, some NTers can attest that Lunars are great shoes. Moreover, the vast majority of Lunars are general releases and are of low cost. The quick growth  of the Lunar thread can confirm that GREAT sneakers can create HYPE as well. All in all, I think the statement is reciprocal, very subjective and depends on the specific consumer.

 

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Originally Posted by ILLustRAYt

First, I think we should ask ourselves, "What makes a GREAT SNEAKER? Is it the materials used, functionality, aesthetics, comfort, price, performance, history, etc?". 

In my opinion, I think the statement is reciprocal. I agree on both terms of the statement. I've fallen victim into buying HYPED (i.e. limited, special materials, collaborations, quality, etc) shoes numerous times from 03-08. As, I grew older and wiser through the years, my spending habits with sneakers has definitely changed. Back then, if I bought, a so called, "limited", sneaker, I remotely thought it was a GREAT shoe, which was utterly naive. Why? Because of the presumed exclusivity, history, materials used, quality, etc. Now, that I've owned 100+ of sneakers, sold the more than half of them and, currently, own less than 40 pairs, I just buy what looks good to ME and what I TRULY like (I know, I know NT cliché) 

To put the shoe on the other foot, GREAT sneakers can also create HYPE. Speaking for myself, I think Lunars are GREAT shoes because they can account for most, if not all, the factors I previously mentioned. I've been running in Lunar tech for more than two years now, and I've started running more than four years ago. They've helped me perform, train and race in my first marathon several months ago, when I finished in the Top 8.5%. But I digress. Since I was so amazed by the Lunar series, I posted a thread in the Sneaker Showcase forum. I knew not that many people would post in it since the Lunar tech is considerably new and the majority of NT wear their shoes casually, but that thread has grown pretty quickly. From the "reviews" from that thread, some NTers can attest that Lunars are great shoes. Moreover, the vast majority of Lunars are general releases and are of low cost. The quick growth  of the Lunar thread can confirm that GREAT sneakers can create HYPE as well. All in all, I think the statement is reciprocal, very subjective and depends on the specific consumer.

 

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Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Tons of people love to ball in foams. Just because they don't work for you doesn't mean they don't work period.

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Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Tons of people love to ball in foams. Just because they don't work for you doesn't mean they don't work period.

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Originally Posted by Nat Turner


 I got into sneakers because I wanted to wear the latest thing on court, just to see if they do anything different than the shoes that came before. The companies that made the newer shoe would advertise, suggesting that what they were doing, was actually better than what everyone else was doing. After checking the advertisments, I'd bite, purchasing the shoe just to check out the claims. What the companies did was to hype that new product, gaining the consumers attention. So hype does sell shoes, but hype does not create great sneakers.

If a shoe does not do what it is supposed to do, at least in the functional sense as stated by the claims, it will not be considered a great shoe by people who use the shoes for their intended purposes. But by those who do not use the shoes for which they are intended, as with much of those who are a part of Nike Talk, a shoe can become great on looks alone....when these were initially released, they were supposed to be that new thing from Nike that would revolutionize hoops shoes, but they didn't. They are some of the most non functional hoops shoes ever made. They are clunky, suffer from poor traction, inflexible, poor ventilation, out of balance, and then do not form to the foot while also featuring poor heel fit, everything you do not want in a supposed high end basketball shoe.

They failed, but gained notoriety due to being a beautiful shoe, thus now being considered a great shoe.

It's subjective, as it's all an opinion in regard to what a great shoe should actually be. But for my money, a great shoe doesn't need any hype surrounding it, because it actually works.

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Originally Posted by Nat Turner


 I got into sneakers because I wanted to wear the latest thing on court, just to see if they do anything different than the shoes that came before. The companies that made the newer shoe would advertise, suggesting that what they were doing, was actually better than what everyone else was doing. After checking the advertisments, I'd bite, purchasing the shoe just to check out the claims. What the companies did was to hype that new product, gaining the consumers attention. So hype does sell shoes, but hype does not create great sneakers.

If a shoe does not do what it is supposed to do, at least in the functional sense as stated by the claims, it will not be considered a great shoe by people who use the shoes for their intended purposes. But by those who do not use the shoes for which they are intended, as with much of those who are a part of Nike Talk, a shoe can become great on looks alone....when these were initially released, they were supposed to be that new thing from Nike that would revolutionize hoops shoes, but they didn't. They are some of the most non functional hoops shoes ever made. They are clunky, suffer from poor traction, inflexible, poor ventilation, out of balance, and then do not form to the foot while also featuring poor heel fit, everything you do not want in a supposed high end basketball shoe.

They failed, but gained notoriety due to being a beautiful shoe, thus now being considered a great shoe.

It's subjective, as it's all an opinion in regard to what a great shoe should actually be. But for my money, a great shoe doesn't need any hype surrounding it, because it actually works.

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