Kobe II in retrospect

Points well taken, and respected, duke4005. For all I know, "Jack" may very well be a strong supporter of Nike products, but says otherwise. Wedon't know what he really has "in his closet". There may be plenty of Nike merchandise stored in there. He may be "acting out on thismessage board" for attention. Whatever the reason is is none of my business. But a word of advice, if you want people to respect your opinions andpoint-of-view, you've got to put them in a respectable way. But if you don't want anyone to take you seriously "Jack" then post away myfriend.

The only good thing I can say about adidas was that it was a good idea to buy reebok out in order to barely "keep them above water" in the globalmarket share.

IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING ........Basketball is a Brotherhood ...... nice catch phrases from adidas. I have another phrase forthem ........ One Swoosh is better than 3 stripes. Keep trying.
 
I see someone hasn't changed...lol

I don't think Nike marketed them properly.

I didn't even see them in the stores to get them on sale.
 
no matter what anyone says nothing is going to be good enough for this guy..how did the kobe 2 ultimates and kobe st's flop??do we have sales figures ofactual vs projected?because thats really the only way we can call a shoe a flop and the whole line is discontinued.3 "different" kobe shoes in a spanof 8-10 months was alot but just because one pair didnt release doesnt mean the campaign was a flop.With the kobe 2 going onto nike id would you rather giveconsumers the choice of lites versus nike id ultimates?How many jordans were shelved in the se or pe or .5 models.This discussion really doesnt have anythingto do with nike versus adidas..its one guy who hates nike and taking every possible opportunity to slight the player/shoe.If we wanna go nike versus adidas howwas last season's campaign with 5 different sigs from adidas? aside from the gil zero's and tmacs.. cbillups anyone??how bout duncan stealths??even thekg bounce??shall we talk about flops??There were great shoes in that group but they didnt sell either.There are great shoes by every brand that simply dontsell for whatever reason.

I refuse to put this guy on ignore because if we all ignore him and theres no one to say he's wrong when he's wrong then he ends up beingright.He's made his point on how much he hates kobe and he's not the only person in this community that hates kobe but he's just plain disruptiveand manages to kill threads with his constant harassment of people in kobe threads by constantly interjecting his hate/trolling in the thread...you never seehim hating in lebron threads if nike basketball is his gripe or any other nike thread for that matter.
 
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ask rock if azkII was a failure...everyone knows how this post is a secret hatred thread..
HAHAHA SO TRUE.

YOU DONT SEE THIS DUDE POST IN THE LEBRON THREAD TALKING ABOUT THE SALES ON THE LEBRON IV'S..... OR ON HOW BAD THE QUALITY IS ON THE JB KICKS. ITS CLEAR TOSEE, (and as a ex-major in psychology) THE GUY HAS HATE FOR THE GUY. HE TRIES TO HIDE IT... HE CANT HIDE IT FROM SOME OF US...
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AND A QUICK QUESTION. WHO IS THIS NT MEMBER

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Do yourself a favor and SHUT THE +%%* UP!!! Ignore that @*!+%!!!

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MODS, I BLOCKED HIM AND I DID NOT REPLY TO HIM BUT I HAVE A HUNTCH ON WHO IT MIGHT BE....
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thats jack johnson making other profiles to send hate mail to people who like the kobe line ..I also sent mods a e-mail and they are not doing anything in thisregard. Wheres method man..we need this dude to stay away from NT...cat makes profiles to get at people just cuz they like some kicks, thats real talkniketalk.
 
My thought is that you're a kid who hate Kobe and therefore hate his shoes as well. The Zk2 imo is an all around performer. Great cushion, support andlooks. Who are you to call it a flop ? Unless you're a consumer marketer and work for Allen GreenSpan, I don't think Nike care or give a penny aboutwhat you think on their shoes. Sure you don't need 3 shoes for sig but everyone have different taste. If a person is unhappy with a sig shoes- thatdoesn't mean the next person won't like it and consider it a flop. As a matter of fact, most consumer probably don't even know if Kobe have 3 sigsshoes. Most of them just go into a shoes store and buy whatever they feel comfortable and fit them. Heck, you probably buy 2 pairs if it was on sale for 39.99.
 
everyone who's gotten pm's from jackstill 45 or whoever pm me and forward them to me I got the ip adresses and im taking this to yuku..if niketalkdoesnt want to do anything im taking it to yuku
 
I GOT A NEW PM FROM A NEW MEMBER WITH THE NAME "STILL45", NOT STILLJACK45.... HAHA WOW WHAT A p$%^& BOY. NEVER KNEW NIKETALK WAS FULL OF INTERNETTHUGS... LOL
 
goosebear, please take care of this bozo...I don't understand this confused individual...what happened? did kobe deny you an autograph or drop 50 on yourfavorite team?
 
Originally Posted by KobeKid24

goosebear, please take care of this bozo...I don't understand this confused individual...what happened? did kobe deny you an autograph or drop 50 on your favorite team?
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NO THATS NOT IT... I THINK IT WAS THAT ONE TIME WHEN HE DROPPED 81 POINTS....
 
Its funny to see how Jack J gets guys all riled up on his own opinion turned fact. ZKII a flop? sales or concept wise? There is a difference, but how can oneperson determine that? If the Concept of three different shoes tagged with one persons name is a flop due to sales, but not performance where does the flopstart and the great performance end?

I have already explained why Kobe was wearing the 2K4 and not the Kobe ST....at length. With Yuku's new features...please feel free to search it.

I did catch jack j say that Nike messed up the Zoom BB....but I wanted to know what he meant by that specifically. If it was colors released.. I agree. 100%

The Zoom BB shoud have had a Marketing Campaign like the 2k4....yet it has none.

Vulkan... I just saw your emails and PMs and Myspace's... as I have been ALL over the place on travel and some of your stuff was goin to a Spam box.. I doapologize...

Please send me the questions, so I can return that to you my man... I am in DC now for the Holidays.. so I will have some downtime.

You guys keep on letting Jack J get to you.. he cracks me up.

As for Adidas Roster of guys comparing to Nike's. You have GOT to be joking.
 
thanks Rock good looking out..this guy pm's me and under different screen names just being 50 cent... Niketalk ban this man
 
Originally Posted by RockDeep

Its funny to see how Jack J gets guys all riled up on his own opinion turned fact. ZKII a flop? sales or concept wise? There is a difference, but how can one person determine that? If the Concept of three different shoes tagged with one persons name is a flop due to sales, but not performance where does the flop start and the great performance end?

I have already explained why Kobe was wearing the 2K4 and not the Kobe ST....at length. With Yuku's new features...please feel free to search it.

I did catch jack j say that Nike messed up the Zoom BB....but I wanted to know what he meant by that specifically. If it was colors released.. I agree. 100%

The Zoom BB shoud have had a Marketing Campaign like the 2k4....yet it has none.

Vulkan... I just saw your emails and PMs and Myspace's... as I have been ALL over the place on travel and some of your stuff was goin to a Spam box.. I do apologize...

Please send me the questions, so I can return that to you my man... I am in DC now for the Holidays.. so I will have some downtime.

You guys keep on letting Jack J get to you.. he cracks me up.

As for Adidas Roster of guys comparing to Nike's. You have GOT to be joking.
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Yup, I was talking about the colors, those that nobody wants. I know that the sales of that shoe have been disappointing to my friends in Oregon,but what do you expect when the cat who had all the sense is now running the Blazers?

But as far as the CONCEPT of those 3 shoes Rock, it was indeed a failure. It failed with the LITE not being released in the US, and then stores doing the bigRTV in NYC. When MJ was doing his thing in chitown, he rocked the shoes that were on the shelves.

Look, I know that you nike employees are gonna spin this in a favorable way for Nike, especially for Nike fans. This doesn't surprise me, nor will itsurprise anyone who has any sense.

I also asked the Kobe fans to ignore me, yet they still impress me with their persistence. If those of you who disagree with me are so upset, simply put me onignore. I ask, yet you continue to respond. If you disagree with the topic, state your case, but don't try and make it look as if I somehow am making yourlife miserable. If defending Kobe Bryant and his unattractive, non_selling shoes makes you happy, go right ahead.

But with his shoes NOT selling, I'd say that the world outside of Niketalk the U.S., is telling a different story.

Much to your dismay, they agree with ME.

The ZKII flopped in concept, and then being attractive to the consumer who only needed one shoe.
 
Seriously, Coach Hubie, this obsession with Nike/Kobe is clinically unhealthy; you should seek profession care immediately.
 
Originally Posted by Mister Jack Johnson

NONONONO! I want certain people to ignore me! I've asked quite a few to do so, therefore we can have honest discussions about Nike kicks and their true value! Especially being ignored by those who write puff pieces for Nike, in a mag that should be urinated upon.

Anyone who DOES play ball in their shoes will discuss this honestly, without brand loyalty.
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Honestly, I respect a few things you bring to the table, but the personal attacks squash any credibility you have. Learn some civility!
 
Man did Kobe sleep with your sister or something?
Your blind hate is ridicoulous
 
Rock, I was thinking that same thing w/regards to the 2K4 this morning. That shoe had nothing special really, as far as tech, but it was marketed right, tyingpast into present showing all the greatest parts of past Nike melding into it. I think the problem we (Niketalk and Nike themselves) are having is trying tobottle lightning again a la Air Jordan. that was a fluke, and will probably never see a repeat in our lifetimes. By giving three sigs to the best player sinceMJ, they tried to market Kobe to all branches of person and reach a level only attained by a once in a lifetime personality. MJ related greatness to all levelsof society, mostly because we viewed him as infallible, and even though the gambling, adultery, and fights with teammates came out later, he is still viewed asalmost perfect. With the level of scrutiny from the press like it is, with unlimited access to the players' lives and habits, no player now is viewed asbeing close to that level of perfection, the last probably being Grant Hill (who I still sya Fila screwed up injury and marketing). The concept of the Kobe IIwas one shoe to play in, one for when he needed more support (Strength), and one for late in games when his legs were tired (Lite). I have never seen him wearthe Strength's or Lite's. Admitted, I don't watch all Laker games (CST), but with this being the concept, I would say the CONCEPT failed, not theshoe, as it was widely lauded as the shoe of the year, along with the Zoom BB and Gil-Zero. As for adidas roster comparing, prove to me it doesn't. DidLebrons outsell Gil's by great numbers? Did Kobe's outsell the T-Mac's by great numbers? What sold more, adidas Pro Models or the Elite concept? Nobias, just asking for real answers. I like both brands, so it doesn't really matter to me.
 
I think the Kobe II did well. I live in ct and cant fiind any in my size. the people that i see at the gym ballin in them say they love them. I'm gonna buythe lites on ebay
 
Originally Posted by hollatchaboi34

I think the Kobe II did well. I live in ct and cant fiind any in my size. the people that i see at the gym ballin in them say they love them. I'm gonna buy the lites on ebay
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I am glad that you like your shoes, but if you think they did "well", well in what respects? The Kobe II concept was a collection of THREE shoes,not just one. The one that sold best, is the one that people point to as being the best. But selling well is relative, especially when compared to the sales ofthe ZKI. This is Nike's measuring stick when they suggest that the ZKII sold well. But in truth, the whole 3 shoe concept flopped.

If it were great, there'd be a demand. Look at how Eastbay reordered the Gil Zeros. They sold them out then ordered more. Is Eastbay gonna ask for moreZKII's?

Also, why is there a number 8 on the 2k4's? What is that about? Is Nike imitating Adidas by suggesting a CRAZY 8???

Nike Basketball is in disarray. There seems to be a contingent here that doesn't want me to say this, as the market is proving everything I say to becorrect.

Could you imagine what would happen to Nike if the kids in Asia got wind of their wane, and Kobes lack of popularity here?

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You think that they'd reconsider the effects of a three shoe concept then?

What does Nike do, throw a bunch of stuff against the proverbial wall, hoping that something sticks?
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What kind of geniuses do you think worked for Nike if they released a sig football shoe in late October? They don'tget a pass in my book for doing the same thing for basketball. I understand why all-star weekend has become a big date for releasing models, but it'sflawed. If anything, you should release a limited colorway that the player wore during the ASG to create a buzz, but waiting until the season's halfwayover is just foolish arrogance on the company's part. Someone already laid out the blueprint for how the ZK2 should've been handled. Release Ultimatesin early August if you want to piggyback on BTS sales with the kids or right before the season starts, drop the Strengths for the All-Star exclusives &when Playoffs start, drop the Lites. Seeing the player play in the shoe is just as important as any commercial or marketing campaign you put on.

Now the Kobe III is going to take a marketing wizard to make people buy it. Despite what NTers think, most people buybasketball shoes based on looks first, then comfort. Rarely do people ask "how do they perform" when dropping $130 on a shoe. The III is going tohave to be the most comfortable shoe ever because it's definitely not going to reel people in based on it's looks.
 
Now the Kobe III is going to take a marketing wizard to make people buy it. Despite what NTers think, most people buy basketball shoes based on looks first, then comfort. Rarely do people ask "how do they perform" when dropping $130 on a shoe. The III is going to have to be the most comfortable shoe ever because it's definitely not going to reel people in based on it's looks.
Good point, while I definitely applaud Nike for designing something that's out of the ordinary, the shoe most likelywon't appeal to a great number of people solely because of it's appearance. The ZKI and II were both visually appealing, at least to me, and statingthe obvious here, that's probably going to help with selling the shoe. Even IF they get rave reviews, who knows what kind of effect that will have onboosting sales, if any at all.

Anyway, for me the ZKII just didn't work out. I liked everything about it except for fit at the heel/ankle, I was in that group where my achilles was putunder a lot of stress and discomfort. I didn't even lace past the strap and left the strap on a little loose, but I still had problems. But I loved thezoom air implementation, and the responsiveness was great. I just couldn't get over that fit at the rear, I prefer lows too, but I can wear other mids andbe fine.
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