2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

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Found em, 01 he hit 31 HR on the road, 26 at home. Not like there's some grand Coors Field discrepancy to support a ballpark agenda.
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
Jose Bautista changed his swing. Joe Mauer's body broke down.

Fact is during the era Gonzalez played in, PED use was rampant and more likely than not, involved in a lot of the careers of people during that era. Whether you want to downplay PED use is your prerogative, but if it didn't do anything, guys wouldn't have used them.
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The 100 million smokers can't be wrong argument? :lol:


Baseball players used a bunch of things, amphetaminues, ect there is a news story from the deadball ara about a pitcher extolling the wonders of monkey testosterone. but steroids are the only thing we get all hot and bothered by can't you see the arbitrariness of this? Why are you so willing to assume they are so magically effective.

also please Joe Mauer never hit above single digits before the injuries except for that one year so according to your logic had to be steroids.
 
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06 Mauer hit 13, 09 he hit 28. he hit 15 more, while doubling his HR/FB rate.

in 03 Gonzo hit 20 Hr on the road, 6 at home.

not sure I buy this narrative that he played in a hitters park so he hit 57 home runs. Gonzo was a doubles hitter who probably with the benefit of some added strength and energy turned more long fly balls and doubles into home runs.
 
Y'all are both making good points, just coming at it from different views, actually entertaining to read :lol:


Side note: Mauer has an awful swing for generating power.
 
dmxfury said:
What are your thoughts on Juiced?
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I never read it.

I'm not really arguing that players didn't use steroids. I'm sure tons of them did, I'm arguing about their effectiveness for helping you hit for power. I absolutly believe they help you recover from injury. I'm arguing aginst big muscles = better.


I really don't care what Mark Mcguire used he was going to be a rpolific power hitter regardless, same for Consceco.


Jewbacca2 said:
Y'all are both making good points, just coming at it from different views, actually entertaining to read :lol:


Side note: Mauer has an awful swing for generating power.
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There in lies my ultimate point is this, a baseball swing is too complex a thing to be oversimplified into, more muscles = better.
 
Parnell had no business being in this game. Terry gets 100% of the blame. 6-0, fine use him. But 6-4, after we get right back into things? Cmon man. Go with someone who at least has gotten outs before.
 
You should because Canseco talks about the benefits, who it helped and how. Every other part of his book turned out true, I just buy the fact that portion is as well. It helped power and it certainly didn't hinder anything

Bonds was a HOF player regardless. But how much better did he get with Balco. Went from HOF to GOAT
 
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it's scary how good Bonds got. some say his eyesight even improved :lol:

i have no animosity against steroid users (except clemens because **** him) and i think they should all be inducted into the hof (except clemens for the aforementioned reasons), but i can't discount the benefits of ped's.
 
Barry Bonds eyesight improved another complete myth that people believe. People believe steroids can do ANYTHING. :lol:
 
dmxfury said:
You should because Canseco talks about the benefits, who it helped and how. Every other part of his book turned out true, I just buy the fact that portion is as well. It helped power and it certainly didn't hinder anything

Bonds was a HOF player regardless. But how much better did he get with Balco. Went from HOF to GOAT
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Man, you can't quote a Conseco book as truth :lol:
 
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Osh Kosh Bosh said:
Barry Bonds eyesight improved another complete myth that people believe. People believe steroids can do ANYTHING. :lol:
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bonds had the super serum

i just dont understand why carlos torres is still on the mets or why collins keeps using him like he's the messiah.
 
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