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Imo pujols isn't worth an 8 year extension for 25+ mill., I'm not comfortable with paying him for the next 8 years hoping he will perform up to the level of the first 10 years of his career. I understand it more for a troy tulowitzki where you are paying him based on a reasonable projection for the future but I still dont like the prospect of anyone getting a 7 year deal. it only takes 1 game to get hurt
 
Imo pujols isn't worth an 8 year extension for 25+ mill., I'm not comfortable with paying him for the next 8 years hoping he will perform up to the level of the first 10 years of his career. I understand it more for a troy tulowitzki where you are paying him based on a reasonable projection for the future but I still dont like the prospect of anyone getting a 7 year deal. it only takes 1 game to get hurt
 
In 2000 I'd say Thomas, Bagwell, Giambi, Delgado and Helton were all bunched close together. But 2001 I'd have to lean to Helton. Thome and Giambi might have been close too.

I stand by my statement of Tulo not being worth the years and being the streakiest hitter I've seen the last couple years along with Rios
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In 2000 I'd say Thomas, Bagwell, Giambi, Delgado and Helton were all bunched close together. But 2001 I'd have to lean to Helton. Thome and Giambi might have been close too.

I stand by my statement of Tulo not being worth the years and being the streakiest hitter I've seen the last couple years along with Rios
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Are Helton's numbers real is my only question.  I don't hear much about his name being connected, but if he is, and playing in Coors, I dunno.  Those 2 years that Dland posted just don't even look right. 
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Are Helton's numbers real is my only question.  I don't hear much about his name being connected, but if he is, and playing in Coors, I dunno.  Those 2 years that Dland posted just don't even look right. 
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Yanks should call up Montero.

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It's easy to miss the forest for the trees when it comes to the New York Yankees 2011 season. They've been riddled with injuries to important members of the roster and dealt with serious downturns in performances (and media circuses) from aging stars such as Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada, while still posting the third-best record in baseball.

Despite their success in the standings, multiple missed opportunities around younger players are clearly costing the Yankees.

[h4]IN THE SYSTEM[/h4]
The Yankees have options at both Trenton (AA) and Scranton-Wilkes Barre (AAA), but are afraid to use them.
[table][tr][th=""]TRENTON[/th][th=""]W-L[/th][th=""]ERA[/th][th=""]IP[/th][th=""]BB/K[/th][/tr][tr][td]Manny Banuelos[/td][td]2-1[/td][td]3.49[/td][td]59.1[/td][td]35/56[/td][/tr][tr][td]Dellin Betances[/td][td]3-3[/td][td]2.61[/td][td]58.2[/td][td]31/67[/td][/tr][tr][th=""]SCRANTON[/th][th=""]W-L[/th][th=""]ERA[/th][th=""]IP[/th][th=""]BB/K[/th][/tr][tr][td]Adam Warren[/td][td]6-2[/td][td]3.07[/td][td]88.0[/td][td]35/56[/td][/tr][tr][td]David Phelps[/td][td]4-6[/td][td]3.38[/td][td]85.1[/td][td]22/74[/td][/tr][/table]

For much of the first part of the century, the Yankees didn't have the prospects to help the team due to some downright embarrassing drafts, but that's not the case anymore. A combination of good picks and excellent work in the international market has transformed the system into one of baseball's best and one that general manager Brian Cashman is happy to show public pride in while insisting that the Yankees want to keep their top prospects rather than using them as trading chips come July.

For the first time in a long time, the Yankees actually have the kind of prospects they've been hoping for, but they don't seem to know what they are doing with them.

Brian Gordon is certainly a fantastic story, but his arrival is a perfect example of what's going wrong in the Bronx when it comes to long-term thinking. The Yankees needed a starter, and although Gordon performed admirably, they have very good prospects in Double-A with Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances.

If they wanted to avoid the hype train coming to town, righty Adam Warren has been surging for Triple-A Scranton and could have come in quietly in the same manner Ivan Nova arrived last year. Yet, the Yankees seem almost scared to bring them up.

"They just don't seem to trust their young players," said one big league executive. "Look at what the Braves did. When they needed a warm body, they had no issue with calling on [Julio] Teheran or [Randall] Delgado, even though those guys weren't fully big-league-ready."
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Yanks should call up Montero.

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It's easy to miss the forest for the trees when it comes to the New York Yankees 2011 season. They've been riddled with injuries to important members of the roster and dealt with serious downturns in performances (and media circuses) from aging stars such as Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada, while still posting the third-best record in baseball.

Despite their success in the standings, multiple missed opportunities around younger players are clearly costing the Yankees.

[h4]IN THE SYSTEM[/h4]
The Yankees have options at both Trenton (AA) and Scranton-Wilkes Barre (AAA), but are afraid to use them.
[table][tr][th=""]TRENTON[/th][th=""]W-L[/th][th=""]ERA[/th][th=""]IP[/th][th=""]BB/K[/th][/tr][tr][td]Manny Banuelos[/td][td]2-1[/td][td]3.49[/td][td]59.1[/td][td]35/56[/td][/tr][tr][td]Dellin Betances[/td][td]3-3[/td][td]2.61[/td][td]58.2[/td][td]31/67[/td][/tr][tr][th=""]SCRANTON[/th][th=""]W-L[/th][th=""]ERA[/th][th=""]IP[/th][th=""]BB/K[/th][/tr][tr][td]Adam Warren[/td][td]6-2[/td][td]3.07[/td][td]88.0[/td][td]35/56[/td][/tr][tr][td]David Phelps[/td][td]4-6[/td][td]3.38[/td][td]85.1[/td][td]22/74[/td][/tr][/table]

For much of the first part of the century, the Yankees didn't have the prospects to help the team due to some downright embarrassing drafts, but that's not the case anymore. A combination of good picks and excellent work in the international market has transformed the system into one of baseball's best and one that general manager Brian Cashman is happy to show public pride in while insisting that the Yankees want to keep their top prospects rather than using them as trading chips come July.

For the first time in a long time, the Yankees actually have the kind of prospects they've been hoping for, but they don't seem to know what they are doing with them.

Brian Gordon is certainly a fantastic story, but his arrival is a perfect example of what's going wrong in the Bronx when it comes to long-term thinking. The Yankees needed a starter, and although Gordon performed admirably, they have very good prospects in Double-A with Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances.

If they wanted to avoid the hype train coming to town, righty Adam Warren has been surging for Triple-A Scranton and could have come in quietly in the same manner Ivan Nova arrived last year. Yet, the Yankees seem almost scared to bring them up.

"They just don't seem to trust their young players," said one big league executive. "Look at what the Braves did. When they needed a warm body, they had no issue with calling on [Julio] Teheran or [Randall] Delgado, even though those guys weren't fully big-league-ready."
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not sure why riggleman quit, or why management wouldn't fix any problem especially since the team has been rolling as of late. getting zimmerman back, the pitching actually being decent lately. very strange time to quit.
 
not sure why riggleman quit, or why management wouldn't fix any problem especially since the team has been rolling as of late. getting zimmerman back, the pitching actually being decent lately. very strange time to quit.
 
nationals management are %%@+$#* dirty......got dude working 1 year deals since 09......then wouldn't pick up his 2012 option
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nationals management are %%@+$#* dirty......got dude working 1 year deals since 09......then wouldn't pick up his 2012 option
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Originally Posted by CP1708

Are Helton's numbers real is my only question.  I don't hear much about his name being connected, but if he is, and playing in Coors, I dunno.  Those 2 years that Dland posted just don't even look right. 
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Originally Posted by CP1708

Are Helton's numbers real is my only question.  I don't hear much about his name being connected, but if he is, and playing in Coors, I dunno.  Those 2 years that Dland posted just don't even look right. 
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Mariner starters had a .42 ERA and gave up one earned run against the Nats...and they got swept. That's pretty awful.
 
Mariner starters had a .42 ERA and gave up one earned run against the Nats...and they got swept. That's pretty awful.
 
Riggleman.

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Before Thursday's chain of events, the first words that I would have used to describe Jim Riggleman -- after covering him for two seasons as manager in 1993 and 1994 and knowing him for almost two decades -- would be Organizational Man.

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Getty ImagesLong considered a company man, Jim Riggleman broke with that rep Thursday.

He has been as old-school as old-school gets, always painting inside the lines prescribed by his employers, rarely straying off the team message, never publicly ripping players or tossing verbal flares like Ozzie Guillen.

Two years after I covered Riggleman, I was working at the Baltimore Sun when Davey Johnson took over as the Orioles' manager. He was brash and political through his Texas grin, taking on Cal Ripken when he wanted to move him to another position, taking on owner Peter Angelos. Sometimes I think Davey caused a stir just because he thought it was fun.

So it felt like we stepped through a looking glass on Thursday; white was black and black was white. Riggleman would have been one of the last managers I would have ever guessed would walk away from his job in midseason over a contract dispute, and yet he's headed to his Florida home. And sources say that it's the impetuous Johnson -- who probably would have been one of the most likely candidates to walk away from a team in an argument over money, as he did in the fall of 1997 -- who will get the first shot to replace Riggleman, if Johnson wants it.

Adding to the Wonderland feel of all this is the fact that the Nationals are playing the best baseball in the short Washington history of their franchise; they are a team on the rise.

Riggleman's ultimatum to Washington general manager Mike Rizzo was delivered at about 12:20 on Thursday afternoon, before the Nationals were set to play the Mariners. Riggleman had wanted his 2012 option picked up and had repeatedly asked Rizzo about that; Rizzo has repeatedly told him that it was something he would address after the season.

Perhaps Riggleman's flare-ups with Jayson Werth and Jason Marquis this season fueled the manager's concern over the impact of his lame-duck contract situation. Riggleman has always believed that it's a lot more difficult to be credible in the eyes of players if you don't have a contract for at least one year beyond the current season; I've had that conversation with him many times in the past.

But Rizzo told Riggleman he wasn't going to talk about 2012, and he wasn't going to meet about it in Chicago. That's when Riggleman told him that if it wasn't addressed, at least in a substantive conversation, then he wasn't getting on the team bus to begin Washington's road trip.

For virtually every executive in the majors, them's fighting words. For Riggleman, there was principle at stake -- he felt he deserved to have his contract option for 2012 picked up because of the performance of the team. For Rizzo, there was principle at stake -- there was no way he was going to be strong-armed in a contract situation by threat of resignation. You're saying you will resign? Then go ahead and resign.

After the game, Rizzo returned to Riggleman's office and asked him if he felt the same way; Riggleman said yes. And Rizzo replied, "Then we accept your resignation." And Rizzo immediately convened a meeting of the players and informed them of Riggleman's decision to walk away; within a few minutes, the scene in the clubhouse was surreal, with Riggleman talking to a crowd of reporters while the players prepared for their road trip.

Having known Riggleman for so long, I can write with confidence that this was a decision he had thought about -- a decision that had gnawed at him -- for weeks. He didn't wake up Thursday morning and suddenly choose that day to draw a line in the sand; this was burbling within him for a long time. He would not have quit unless he was sure it was the right thing to do.

But his choice has already hurt his reputation in a big way, with many rival executives saying privately that what he did -- walking away in midseason over a contract dispute -- is unacceptable. One high-ranked executive went so far as to say he would never hire Riggleman as a minor league manager, let alone a big league manager, because his choice showed a total lack of judgment. "I don't know if it's much different than what Manny Ramirez did," said a GM, referring to the events of 2008, when Ramirez forced his way out of Boston by basically quitting on the field.

The irony, of course, is that the Nationals' managerial job is increasingly looked at as a plum, as a position you want, because the team is loaded with talent and continues to get better. Washington is developing anchors to its rotation with Jordan Zimmermann and Stephen Strasburg; it has a young, powerful closer in Drew Storen; and its everyday lineup could include Ryan Zimmerman, Werth, Danny Espinosa, Anthony Rendon and Bryce Harper within a couple of years.
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I don't know if it's much different than what Manny Ramirez did.
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