2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

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Toronto makes sense as a win now kinda team, even though I disagree with everyone anointing them right now :lol:

You're gonna be getting back kids who are in A ball though, so it'll be a wait. They traded a lot of top level/depth for guys last year. But they could still put together a nice package with Sanchez/Stroman with Norris and a throw in OF.

You don't wanna end up with Atlanta's prospects :lol: unless they're stupid enough to give you Bethancourt because Gattis is such a great player.
 
I figure, everyone looks ready for 2016, we should have everyone up that is going to make it.

So we need pitching that can jump in within 2 years, 2017 at the latest. At that point, the whole roster is 26 and under, and ready to go. After that, just fill in the holes with free agency, be it a top level starter, or a closer, or even an outfielder, catcher, etc.

This #4 I expect to be a college pitcher, so 2 years (or again, 2017 at the latest) sounds about right. I expect Neil Ramirez to move back to starter next year, build him arm back up, and by 2016 let him get goin. Then just need a couple other arms to develop in that timeframe.

I kind of, sort of think Bryant and Baez get call ups in September this year, just to get some at bats in and see how they look, and maybe they come up around May/June for good next year, before 2016 hits.


From what I see, Theo has the backing to completely rebuild the farm system all the way up, so no running clock or anything on him (least, far as I can tell) and then in 2 years, we find out if it's all worth it. Damn sure in better shape now, than 3-4 years ago, when Starlin was literally the only prospect we had worth a ****. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
That sounds like the idea. As long as the Cubs fans are patient along with the owner. Give Theo and Jed their time and room to operate and everything should be smooth by '16.

Not to pick on the Braves but the owner really needs to make sure that there is a big bulk of the budget dedicated to international research/scouting/signings. The jobs done to find the Abreu/Soler/Puig types can't be understated enough.
 
Toronto makes sense as a win now kinda team, even though I disagree with everyone anointing them right now :lol:

You're gonna be getting back kids who are in A ball though, so it'll be a wait. They traded a lot of top level/depth for guys last year. But they could still put together a nice package with Sanchez/Stroman with Norris and a throw in OF.

You don't wanna end up with Atlanta's prospects :lol: unless they're stupid enough to give you Bethancourt because Gattis is such a great player.

1. Why not us Proshares. :frown: :nerd:

2. Anthopolis goes all the way back to the Expos, he's a canadian baseball lifer, he wouldn't make a win now save my job deplete the farm system completely, scotched earth kind of trade. I don't see it.

3. He balked at a Stroman/Sanchez deal in the off season can't see him doing it and adding more.
 
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What about you Osh, would YOU pull that trigger to land Jeff? He worth it to you, or you rather have your prospects?
 
What about you Osh, would YOU pull that trigger to land Jeff? He worth it to you, or you rather have your prospects?

eh I'll role the dice with this squad. at this point

Other than Burlhe, no one is doing something completely unsustainable.

we can hit bombs, the division stinks, we just need a little luck with the pitching.
 
Toronto makes sense as a win now kinda team, even though I disagree with everyone anointing them right now :lol:

You're gonna be getting back kids who are in A ball though, so it'll be a wait. They traded a lot of top level/depth for guys last year. But they could still put together a nice package with Sanchez/Stroman with Norris and a throw in OF.

You don't wanna end up with Atlanta's prospects :lol: unless they're stupid enough to give you Bethancourt because Gattis is such a great player.

1. Why not us Proshares. :frown: :nerd:

2. Anthopolis goes all the way back to the Expos, he's a canadian baseball lifer, he wouldn't make a win now save my job deplete the farm system completely, scotched earth kind of trade. I don't see it.

3. He balked at a Stroman/Sanchez deal in the off season can't see him doing it and adding more.

- :lol: not saying they can't win it...division is just so up and down, I can see them swooning over 10 games and then someone else taking a step...it'll be like that all year with these guys.

- I don't think he should either...they just make more sense overall as a team than the O's would or the Marlins would for example.

- One of Stroman/Sanchez not both :lol: I think the Tom Gordon comp is pretty accurate for Stroman...you think he can handle a starter's workload for the next 10?
 
I don't agree with Bowden's take on the Yankees farm but here you go:

Yankees have the prospects for a big deal.

The New York Yankees are famous for signing big-name free agents. And when you sign big-name free agents, you usually have to forfeit top draft picks. As a result, the Yankees have been criticized within the baseball circles for having a relatively weak farm system, which will make it impossible for them to add impact players before the trade deadline.

However, I've spoken to several general managers in recent weeks who disagree with this sentiment and believe the Yankees have what it takes to make a big deal (or two) this summer if they decide to give team captain Derek Jeter one more shot at October.

With injuries and ineffectiveness plaguing much of their starting rotation, the Yankees need a top-of-the-rotation starter to complement Masahiro Tanaka, as none among CC Sabathia, Hiroki Kuroda or Michael Pineda can be counted on to fill that role at this point.

Trade targets

Of the big-name starters with a chance to be traded this summer, the most appealing are Jeff Samardzija, David Price and Cliff Lee, because they are all signed beyond this year and would not simply be rentals. The problem is that the Yankees don't match up perfectly with those three clubs. The Cubs will want top-end starting pitching prospects, which is not the Yankees' strength, the Rays will be hesitant to deal within their division even if they are out of the race and Lee is currently on the DL, and his timetable for return is uncertain.

Among "rental" pitchers, the names that come to mind are James Shields (assuming the Royals fall out of the race) and Justin Masterson (if he starts pitching better).

There is a second tier of pitchers who aren't rentals who could also be in play: Ian Kennedy, Jason Hammel, Jonathon Niese, Dillon Gee and Bartolo Colon, though the latter three might be a stretch, as the Mets and Yankees rarely make trades featuring prominent big leaguers.

When you hear the Yankees are in the market for a starter between now and July 31, these will likely be the names in play. And here are the players they can use to get them.

Trade chips

While relievers are rarely centerpieces of major deals, you can be sure teams will be asking about Dellin Betances and Adam Warren. Both are 26 years old, cost-controlled and have been dominant this year, with Warren whiffing a batter per inning and Betances striking out 51 in just 30.2 innings pitched. Besides, the Yankees' farm system is strong enough that they won't have to trade off the major league club.
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Betances has been excellent thus far for the big league club this season.

The Yankees' best prospect -- and biggest trade chip -- should be 21-year-old catcher Gary Sanchez, who has been rushed through their system but still has a career OBP of .339 and is holding his own at Double-A Trenton with a .723 OPS. He still needs to work on blocking balls, but he has an excellent arm and projects to hit for power. The Yankees gave free-agent catcher Brian McCann a five-year, $85 million dollar pact last winter, and Sanchez became their best trade chip the moment they did that.

After Sanchez, the Yankees can also shop Pete O'Brien, a catcher whose future is probably elsewhere, and right-handed pitcher Luis Severino. O'Brien, 23, is a power bat who was termed a "beast" by a respected GM who saw him recently. He earned a promotion to Trenton after putting up a .321/.353/.688 for high Class A Tampa.

Severino, 20, is quickly coming into his own at low Class A Charleston. He has punched out 47 and walked just 10 in 44 ⅓ innings this year. He gets good downward plane on his fastball despite his 6-foot frame.

A year ago, you would have thought the Yankees' best trade chips would be outfield prospects such as Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams, but they haven't progressed as well as many hoped. That said, New York could shop one of their three first-round picks of a year ago, such as third baseman Eric Jagielo -- slugging .500 for Tampa -- or Aaron Judge, who is hitting .310/.411/.454 at Charleston. Of course, neither one of them can be traded until exactly one year from when they signed, but they could be included as a "player to be named later" until the legal date is reached.

Other secondary trade assets include Dante Bichette Jr., who has significantly improved his approach at Tampa, and his high Class A teammate, center fielder Jake Cave, who is opening eyes with his rapid development. The Yankees also have some power arms other than Severino who could be used in a blockbuster package, including right-handers Jose Campos, Rafael De Paula and Bryan Mitchell, all of whom will end up pitching in the major leagues in time.

What will it take?

If the Yankees are to swing a deal for an elite arm, we can get a good sense of what they would need to give up by looking at last summer's Matt Garza trade. In that deal, the Texas Rangers gave up one elite prospect (right-hander C.J. Edwards) and two "B" prospects in third baseman Mike Olt and righty Justin Grimm to acquire Garza.

So let's say New York were to swing a deal for Shields -- again, assuming K.C. is out of the race -- it would probably need to surrender a similar kind of package. Of course, under the new collective bargaining agreement, the Yankees could not give Shields (or any rent-a-player) a qualifying offer, and thus could not reap a draft pick if he signs elsewhere, but that's the risk they would have to take, just as Texas did last year.

A deal for Samardzija, who wouldn't be a rental, would cost a little more, probably two elite prospects of the Sanchez/Severino level, as well as a throw-in from the lower levels.

You can criticize the Yankees if you'd like, but the Steinbrenners have never been afraid to make "win-now" moves. As Hal Steinbrenner said at the recent owners meetings, "We're always willing to look at options come July ... We're going to do what we need to do to stay in."

The Yankees have quietly amassed the assets needed to make a pennant-changing trade, and I expect them to be active this summer.
 
I have been waiting to see/hear if the Yankees would get in on us. And ironically, the one piece we do not have locked up for the future,. is a catcher. So if you throw him in, and a 20 year old arm, and maybe another outfielder, maybe it will be you guys that deal with us.

He forgot a name in the Garza deal tho, we also got Neil Ramirez along with CJ, Olt, and Grimm. Neil was a PTBNL. And he has a .84 ERA right now. I freakin love that kid. :lol:


Man, Theo could be involved in talks with the Yanks, Jays and Orioles. :wow: Wonder if he wants to try and help one of them stick it to the Sox in some way.
 
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Can't beat free tickets and it's A's / Tigers :pimp:
 
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^ I could be wrong, but going off of memory, there is no way that the Cincinnati Mayor's pitch was better than 50 Cent's.
 
eh I'll role the dice with this squad. at this point

Other than Burlhe, no one is doing something completely unsustainable.

we can hit bombs, the division stinks, we just need a little luck with the pitching.

I think Toronto is a great fit, baseball wise. Toronto pitching is a big ? in terms of a lot of guys have solid arms, but there isn't a clear cut ace. Samardzjia can become that, with Buehrle, Dickey, Hutchinson behind him that is pretty solid.
 
Toronto may as well pull the trigger. That rotation is more than sufficient this year for the American League if Samardjzia plays the ace role. Oakland is far and away the best rotation in the AL, but other than that, there isn't any staff that jumps out. In fact, the top 3 AL staffs all reside in the AL West, so you know all 3 won't make the playoffs..Next best after that is KC and their 14th best in the entire MLB, so I think whichever AL East team lands Samardjzia should feel it's worth it.
 
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I have love for him but I wouldn't go calling him an ace with 75 above average innings and moving to pitching in 4 hitters parks.
 
Speaking of Joe...He's had such a great career. He'll always get overshadowed because he played in Hoffman and Rivera's era, but he's one of the great closers there's been. Still doin' it too.
 
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