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After the 2014 season, I'd like all the MLB regulars to rank their top-20 outfielders.

1. Mike Trout
2. Andrew McCutchen
3. Adam Jones
4. Carlos Gomez
5. Jose Bautista
6. Justin Upton
7. Giancarlo Stanton
8. Jacoby Ellsbury
9. Yasiel Puig
10. Hunter Pence
11. Yoenis Cespedes
12. Melky Cabrera
13. Carlos Gonzalez
14. Bryce Harper
15. Brett Gardner
16. Jason Heyward
17. Michael Brantley
18. Starling Marte
19. Alex Gordon
20. Matt Holiday
21. Ryan Braun
22. Billy Hamilton


Not extremely scientific, or in-depth to come up with it, but just my eyeball test on it.
Stopped reading when I didn't see Stanton's name right after Trout's.
 
CarGo's splits are WAY too high for me to put him anywhere near the top 10. Last season was the only one. He has really bad splits between Coors and the road.
 
CarGo's splits are WAY too high for me to put him anywhere near the top 10. Last season was the only one. He has really bad splits between Coors and the road.
I've seen you provide specific stats in recent years. Drastic splits aside, the guy can't stay healthy. Injury-plagued is an understatement.
 
1. Mike Trout
2. Andrew McCutchen
3. Adam Jones
4. Carlos Gomez
5. Jose Bautista
6. Justin Upton
7. Giancarlo Stanton
8. Jacoby Ellsbury
9. Yasiel Puig
10. Hunter Pence
11. Yoenis Cespedes
12. Melky Cabrera
13. Carlos Gonzalez
14. Bryce Harper
15. Brett Gardner
16. Jason Heyward
17. Michael Brantley
18. Starling Marte
19. Alex Gordon
20. Matt Holiday
21. Ryan Braun
22. Billy Hamilton


Stopped reading when I didn't see Stanton's name right after Trout's.

The guys I have in front of him have a more complete game. IMO. Only exception of not having a more complete game is Bautista, but he hits for the same power with half the strikeouts. Today, I'd take the guy who is smarter at the plate, when putting their biggest strengths against each other.

Making the case that McCutchen is # 2 is not difficult to make.

Guys like Jones, Gomez, who strike out a lot, are better in other areas of the game. Yet still are good at the plate.

That's why I don't have him # 2.

But looking more closely I would put Stanton ahead of Upton. Probably move Upton behind Ellsbury as well (Ellsbury better on the base, smarter hitter, I wouldn't be hurt if I had either one in the field, but I'd take Ells in the field as well ).


The second half of the list would probably change a lot more. More so from the Melky to the Gordon range, but some of those guys I just haven't seen too much of them play
 
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The guys I have in front of him have a more complete game. IMO. Only exception of not having a more complete game is Bautista, but he hits for the same power with half the strikeouts. Today, I'd take the guy who is smarter at the plate, when putting their biggest strengths against each other.

Making the case that McCutchen is # 2 is not difficult to make.

Guys like Jones, Gomez, who strike out a lot, are better in other areas of the game. Yet still are good at the plate.

That's why I don't have him # 2.

But looking more closely I would put Stanton ahead of Upton. Probably move Upton behind Ellsbury as well (Ellsbury better on the base, smarter hitter, I wouldn't be hurt if I had either one in the field, but I'd take Ells in the field as well ).


The second half of the list would probably change a lot more. More so from the Melky to the Gordon range, but some of those guys I just haven't seen too much of them play
No need to explain yourself in the Cutch regard, I have him second on my tentative list which is still being drafted. Stanton is third, for what it's worth.

Stanton is 9 years younger than Joey Bats, if youth and scope of prime matters to you in this discussion.

I would not move Ells above J. Up, and NT knows I like both. Upton's significant power advantage is a deciding factor for me.
 
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Disclaimer: I factor in past production/success, age, and potential ceiling.

1. Mike Trout
2. Andrew McCutchen
3. Giancarlo Stanton
4. Bryce Harper
5. Adam Jones
6. Carlos Gomez
7. Justin Upton
8. Jose Bautista
9. Jacoby Ellsbury
10. Yasiel Puig
11. Alex Gordon
12. Carlos Gonzalez
13. Jason Heyward
14. Ryan Braun
15. Yoenis Cespedes
16. Hunter Pence
17. Billy Hamilton
18. Starling Marte
19. Michael Brantley
20. Brett Gardner

Honorable Mention: Matt Kemp, Juan Lagares, Matt Holliday, Melky Cabrera, Christian Yelich

Edit: Jay Bruce added to honorable mention list.
 
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The "completeness" of your game is irrelevant in baseball especially if you do 1 thing like as good at Mike Stanton does hitting HR's.

Also after watching Jose Bautista make the transition from dead pull elite power hitter, to guy with more walks than strike outs, I think he's the type of guy who can be really effective into his late 30's like Ortiz.
 
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The "completeness" of your game is irrelevant in baseball especially if you do 1 thing like as good at Mike Stanton does hitting HR's.

Also after watching Jose Bautista make the transition from dead pull elite power hitter, to guy with more walks than strike outs, I think he's the type of guy who can be really effective into his late 30's like Ortiz.
Please elaborate on your first point, why is Giancarlo the exception to possessing a "complete" game?
 
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For me, its kind of a different argument than what I think OKB is gonna say to you.  But I am not even convinced that the players like McCutchen, Upton, Gomez or Adam Jones are even more complete players than Stanton.  I know this isnt the end all stat, but Stanton's DWAR is better than McCutchen, Upton and Gomez this season, and he is far superior to them offensively.  Adam Jones' DWAR is far better than Stanton's, but Stanton's OWAR is so far superior to Jones' that it more than makes up for that.

When Stanton takes home the MVP trophy this season, he will start to be respected more.....even by real baseball fans.  Having him as the 7th best outfielder in the MLB is ridiculous.
 
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For me, its kind of a different argument than what I think OKB is gonna say to you.  But I am not even convinced that the players like McCutchen, Upton, Gomez or Adam Jones are even more complete players than Stanton.  I know this isnt the end all stat, but Stanton's DWAR is better than McCutchen, Upton and Gomez this season, and he is far superior to them offensively.  Adam Jones' DWAR is far better than Stanton's, but Stanton's OWAR is so far superior to Jones' that it more than makes up for that.

When Stanton takes home the MVP trophy this season, he will start to be respected more.....even by real baseball fans.  Having him as the 7th best outfielder in the MLB is ridiculous.
I thoroughly enjoy this debate, and sincerely you are a very knowledgeable baseball mind.

What makes you say Stanton is significantly better offensively than Jones besides having the power advantage? Or J. Upton, who has pop in his own right.

To your last point, you may be disappointed. Cutch already has a MVP and GG, could be well on his way to a second MVP award. Neither Cutch or Stanton are elite defenders in the OF, but I'm not sure over a body of work that Giancarlo is better with the glove than Cutch. NT will go crazy if this occurs, but Kershaw is legitimately building a MVP case. At least top-3 on the ballot behind Cutch and Stanton.
 
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