NikeTalk › NikeTalk Forums › The Lounge › Sports & Training › 2016 MLB thread. Baseball is upon us! Royals are the champs
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

2016 MLB thread. Baseball is upon us! Royals are the champs - Page 253

post #7561 of 73413

say it aint so




post #7562 of 73413

Edited by CincoSeisDos - 8/15/12 at 12:47pm
post #7563 of 73413
Melky smokin.gif
post #7564 of 73413
Shame. Likely was on it last year too. Career was close to over after his year in Atlanta before broke KC signed him for peanuts, and those groundouts became singles.
post #7565 of 73413
Dudes still juicing thinking they ain't getting caught??? mean.gif
post #7566 of 73413
Thread Starter 
Damn, there goes that FA money laugh.gif
post #7567 of 73413
Shocking that Dodger fans would be in here talking. laugh.gif
post #7568 of 73413
Thread Starter 
Everyone still have their Texas/LAA ALCS tickets?

post #7569 of 73413
I'll say it because i'm from there.

Dominicans are cheaters. mean.gif
Hip Hop is dead. There is no "savior".
Hip Hop is dead. There is no "savior".
post #7570 of 73413
Is this the first time ever a team has thrown a perfect game in the same year that they were victims of a perfect game?
New York Yankees | New York Jets
New York Yankees | New York Jets
post #7571 of 73413
Originally Posted by Proshares View Post

Damn, there goes that FA money laugh.gif

Everyone is saying this, including an article on fan graphs saying this will cost him $60-70 million... pfffftt This guy was in the dumps, Yankees sent him packing then the Braves told him to kick rocks. Got a minor league deal with KC and "rebounded", gets traded in a contract year and he blows up only to ultimately have it blow up in his face. He would've never been in line for that money anyway. He's been playing with house money. Maybe now he can slang that Camaro he got for getting the ASMVP.

Shocking that Dodger fans would be in here talking.

Sure, let's pretend like we didn't hear the biggest baseball news of the day, up until Felix got the perfecto, involving our biggest rival and team we are competing with for the division crown. laugh.gif

Frankly, I'm kind of bummed, think we would've won the division despite a juiced Melky in your lineup, and you knew Sabean was going to give him a fat contract. Wanted Melky to get Rowand money and then get busted. Giants dodged a bullet.

Melky's "resurgence" never sat well with it intuition.
Instagram: backyardlobo
Instagram: backyardlobo
post #7572 of 73413
Originally Posted by macbk View Post

Is this the first time ever a team has thrown a perfect game in the same year that they were victims of a perfect game?

The M's also have a no-hitter as a team that cancels it out. Victory to the Mariners.
post #7573 of 73413
Orioles and Nats both with the W.....smokin.gif

Orioles will win one of the wild cards, I can feel it.
Straight Cash Homey
Straight Cash Homey
post #7574 of 73413
Thread Starter 
Players must take stance against PEDs.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Melky Cabrera was like a bank robber who did everything right in his plan to steal tens of millions -- right up until the moment his getaway car ran out of gas.

Denny Medley/USA TODAY Sports/US Presswire
Had Melky Cabrera inked a new deal, then got busted, the signing team would still be on the hook.

With a little luck, it would've all worked out as planned, and Cabrera could've made $60 million, or $70 million or $80 million or more. It's unclear exactly what day Cabrera was asked for the urine sample that tested positive, but if the timing had been different, he might've slipped through the cracks before becoming a free agent this fall. And it's just the latest example that should scare the players' union into seeking tougher penalties for drug offenders.

Cabrera was in a great position to capitalize on another strong season that was out of the ordinary for him. (And yes, it's now fair game to wonder if Cabrera's breakthrough season of 2011 was also accomplished with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs. He was a fourth outfielder with the Yankees before having a terrible year with the Braves in 2010, and then being non-tendered. Then suddenly, like someone rising out of a wheelchair and shouting that he was cured, Cabrera hit .305 with 67 extra-base hits for the Royals in 2011, before hitting .346 for the Giants this year while also winning All-Star Game MVP).

Think about what would have come next, if he hadn't have been nabbed: At age 28, he was probably the No. 2 or No. 3 free-agent outfielder, behind Josh Hamilton. Armed with strong back-to-back years on his résumé, Cabrera probably would've gotten offers in the range of the deal that Andre Ethier signed -- five years, $85 million.

Imagine, for a moment, that he had signed that deal with the Giants, for $17 million a year. Then, if he had tested positive at any time during the course of the contract -- if he had been caught -- the Giants would have had the same recourse that the Dodgers had with Manny Ramirez: Nada.

You remember that, right? Ramirez signed a two-year, $45 million deal with the Dodgers and was immediately suspended after being linked to a female fertility drug. He served his suspension, which cost him roughly $8 million, and then he came back and was a shadow of himself -- getting paid, even after getting caught.

If the Giants had locked up Cabrera, they would've been on the hook for the rest of Cabrera's contract even if he was caught, and even if it became clear that they signed him under false pretenses.

It's apparent that as players weigh the possible risks and rewards of using performance-enhancing drugs, in baseball, crime can still pay. Handsomely.

"There's more work to be done with the [drug] policy," a veteran player conceded on Wednesday evening. "I think almost all players want a level playing field -- that's what important to them. If the policy isn't deterring players, then that's a problem."

To Cabrera's credit, he didn't read from the my-dog-ate-my-homework script after news of his positive test broke. He was honest, in the statement released in his name: "My positive test was the result of my use of a substance I should not have used. I accept my suspension under the Joint Drug Program and I will try to move on with my life. I am deeply sorry for my mistake and I apologize to my teammates, to the San Francisco Giants organization and to the fans for letting them down."

But if Cabrera had been truly regretful, then he wouldn't have gone through the appeals process, which, for him, began sometime in the last 10 days of July. He was fully prepared to beat the system, to add tens of millions of dollars to his new contract, and when he was caught, well, that's when he'd put his hands in the air and surrendered.

Cabrera not only would have essentially been deceiving his next employer, of course, but he could have directly hurt other players in the market. If Cabrera had gone into free agency without a suspension, wielding those huge numbers, then players like Shane Victorino would have been naturally pushed lower down the pecking order, as the older (and less desirable) player.
There is a parallel violation that could provide some guideline in how the union can (and should) ask for a strengthening of the drug-testing policy. If a player or staff member is caught betting on a baseball game in which he is not involved, a first offense would cost him a one-year ban. A second offense could mean a lifetime ban. This is how the union could put some teeth into the drug-testing: A one-year ban for the first offense, and a lifetime ban for the second offense.

Additionally, any player suspended for performance-enhancing drugs should have his contract voided, with the player remaining under the control of the team that signed him. And any player who tests positive in a given season should automatically be ineligible to play in the postseason that year, so they are not rewarded with a playoff share. As it stands, Cabrera could still profit if the Giants play deep into October.

These would be an important means in assuring that cheating players would be face career-threatening risks, rather than a penalty that is light enough that the Melky Cabreras of the world would seek ways to beat the system -- to rob the marketplace.

Cabrera not only would have essentially been deceiving his next employer, of course, but he could have directly hurt other players in the market. If Cabrera had gone into free agency without a suspension, wielding those huge numbers, then players like Shane Victorino would have been naturally pushed lower down the pecking order, as the older (and less desirable) player. If Cabrera had gotten an $85 million deal from the Giants, that may well have impacted their decision whether to re-sign Hunter Pence at some point.

Melky Cabrera is a cheater -- not only in how he competed, but in how he tried to beat the system. Until the players more severely punish those who are caught, the temptation to try will only grow, as the compensation does.

Impact of Melky suspension.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Last month, a rumor was passed around about a player testing positive for drug use and being suspended for 50 games. Unlike most rumors flying around the Twitterverse, this one made it to mass media, creating a minor firestorm and a handful of headaches. The player involved? Melky Cabrera.

This afternoon, another story hit the airwaves, this one better sourced than the one above. Melky Cabrera had tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone in his blood, triggering the 50-game suspension for a first-time violator of MLB's drug testing agreement with the players' association.

Two years ago, this would not have been a major story as Cabrera was busy hitting .255/.317/.354 in left field for the Atlanta Braves -- they would have been happier to have a shortfall of Melky than a surplus.

The 2012 edition of Cabrera is a much different player than the one who signed a one-year, $1.25 million deal with the Kansas City Royals before the 2011 season. This Melky hit .305/.339/.470 for the Royals in 2011 and, after being swapped for Jonathan Sanchez this past winter, was hitting .346/.390/.516 for the Giants through Tuesday night's game.

As unpleasant as this news may be for Cabrera, it comes off as downright nauseating for the Giants, who are 64-53 and tied with the Los Angeles Dodgers for the NL West lead.

So, where does that leave the Giants, without their .906 OPS left fielder? With Nate Schierholtz gone in the Hunter Pence trade, Gregor Blanco becomes the obvious starting left fielder in Cabrera's absence, with Brett Pill likely to be the beneficiary of Blanco's reserve time in left and right. Using the ZiPS projection system, the Giants project to lose just under one win for the rest of the season, at 0.7 wins the rest of the way, thanks to the loss of Cabrera.

That may not sound like a lot at first, but in a tight race, with only 45 games to play, a single game can be the difference between winning the division and winning a much less valuable wild-card spot. Even worse, it could be the difference between winning the division and watching the playoffs from a couch.

To gauge the effect on the divisional race, I used a Monte Carlo simulation, along with ZiPS, to simulate the remaining games in baseball, both with the Giants having Cabrera and with the Giants losing him.

Before the news of Cabrera's suspension broke, the Giants -- a team with a bit more than the Dodgers -- projected to have a 52.6 percent chance at winning the division, followed by the Dodgers at 37.3 percent, the Diamondbacks at 10.1 percent, and the Rockies and Padres both having less than 1-in-2,000 chance.

Without Cabrera, San Francisco's odds of winning the division drop to 43.8 percent. The Dodgers, the team in the best position to take advantage of the Giants' loss, have their odds increase to 44.1 percent. That's right, Cabrera's absence for the rest of the season swings the division in the Dodgers' favor.

Arizona's slimmer odds improve slightly, to 11.9 percent. Even the Padres get a slightly better lottery ticket, their odds improving to 0.053 percent, or about 1 time in 1,887 chances (don't hold your breath).

The Giants woke up today as a solid bet to win the NL West. Instead, a single news story now makes the Dodgers a slight favorite to take the division and the guaranteed NLDS spot that comes with it.

King Felix's transcendent gift.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
There is a spectacular scene in the Oscar-winning movie "Amadeus" when the composer Antonio Salieri presents Mozart with a piece written in his honor, and in playing the music, Mozart demonstrates (you can see it here) his own extraordinary talent -- and at the same time, he makes Salieri understand the full depth of difference between his own ability and that of Mozart, and how he couldn't possibly be as good as his rival.

I thought of this yesterday while watching Felix Hernandez throw his perfect game, because he is baseball's Mozart.

He was a childhood prodigy, was nicknamed "The King" while he was a teenager, and like a composer who can seemingly generate whole operas in his mind, there doesn't seem to be anything he can't do when he pitches, at a level of brilliance that others can't even fathom.

His fastball has ridiculous movement. His changeup sometimes is of the Bugs Bunny variety. His command of his slider is surpassed only by his ability to control his curveball. Early in the 2009 season, the Los Angeles Angels stole four bases against Hernandez, and before his next start, Rick Adair -- who was the Seattle pitching coach at the time -- spoke to Hernandez about this, about how he needed to start focusing on holding runners because it was becoming a problem.

Felix had three more starts against the Angels and allowed one steal, total. It was if he just decided that this stolen-base nonsense was going to stop, and he just ended it.

Hernandez has played on mostly bad teams in his career, but when he faces a good lineup, he just seems to raise his level, like an older sibling who decides to score the last 20 points in a one-on-one game against a younger sibling because he just won't let them win.

Hernandez has five starts in Yankee Stadium, in what is typically viewed as one of the toughest parks for pitchers in baseball, against what is typically one of the best and deepest lineups, and these are the results of those games:

Innings: 39 2/3
Earned runs: 5
ERA: 1.13
Strikeouts: 40

It's like Felix decides that he's going to win, that he's going to inflict his will on the game. It's more complicated than that, of course, and Hernandez should always get the credit for honing that ability. But I spent a few moments this morning thinking of athletes who had that kind of transcendent talent similar to that of Hernandez, and the list I came up with was very short:

Tiger Woods. Josh Hamilton, for sure. Willie Mays. Joe DiMaggio. Michael Jordan. Babe Ruth. Jim Brown. Pedro Martinez. Wayne Gretzky. Barry Sanders.

For the readers: Name other "kings" in sports.

Sean Rodriguez, the 27th out, thought about dropping a bunt, as Marc Topkin writes.

Hernandez's perfect game was the 23rd in history, as Larry Stone writes. For Felix, perfection seemed inevitable, writes Steve Kelley.

The Tampa Bay Rays had a whole lot of praise for Felix.

By The Numbers, Felix edition
From ESPN Stats and Info

12: All 12 of Hernandez's strikeouts in his perfect game were on off-speed pitches (six changeups, five curveballs, one slider).
23: Hernandez threw the 23rd perfect game in MLB history, and the third this season (Philip Humber, Matt Cain).
25: Swings and misses for the Rays against Hernandez's offspeed pitches, most by a starter this season.
93: Average mph of Hernandez's fastballs, the fastest in a start this season. Hernandez averaged 94.3 mph in innings 7-9, including eight pitches 95 mph or faster.

Hernandez had his breaking stuff working on Wednesday -- his 25 swing-and-misses on his breaking pitches are the most by anyone in our database (since 2009). Hernandez used all four of his pitches to get 27 outs against the Rays, but increased his off-speed usage to its highest total of the season (59.3 percent of pitches). Hernandez got 15 of 27 outs with his off-speed pitches, including all 12 of his strikeouts.

Pitch selection: 46 fastballs, 25 changeups, 22 curveballs, 20 sliders
Outs by pitch: 12 on fastballs, seven on changeups, five on curveballs, three on sliders
Strikeouts by pitch: Six on changeups, five on curveballs, one on a slider


• Stephen Strasburg and the Washington Nationals keep humming along, writes Adam Kilgore. Strasburg pitched six more innings.

From Adam Kilgore's story:

He made his other frames look easy, throwing 100 pitches total. He may have five starts remaining, perhaps more and perhaps fewer. His innings count for the year is 139 1 / 3, a number he has pushed out of his mind.

"It's out of my control," Strasburg said. "I'm just doing everything I can to help this team win games and it's all going to take care of itself in the end."

James Wagner spoke with some doctors about this situation.

• The Nationals have been without All-Star shortstop Ian Desmond, but they haven't missed a beat while Danny Espinosa and Steve Lombardozzi have filled in, writes Amanda Comak.

• The Pittsburgh Pirates are working to avoid the same kind of collapse they had last season, but they have had a brutal series against the Los Angeles Dodgers -- and now they've lost Neil Walker for the immediate future, as Bill Brink writes.

• Just so we can get all the stories straight: The Boston Red Sox are saying they had a player-owner meeting that involved about two dozen people and nobody complained about Bobby Valentine. And at the same time, Nick Cafardo writes that the Red Sox are concerned about leaks.

The chicken-and-beer Red Sox ... stunned that there are leaks.

The Red Sox -- some of who flambéed Terry Francona as he departed the organization -- are surprised there are leaks.


Here's John Henry's statement.

The Red Sox lost again, and they're not worth attention, writes John Tomase.

Cabrera tests positive

A partial list of folks who might have some hard questions after Melky Cabrera's 50-game suspension:

Ian Kennedy, against whom Cabrera hit an Opening Day homer.

Antonio Bastardo, the Phillies' pitcher who allowed a walkoff hit to Cabrera in April.

Ricky Nolasco, who was almost single-handedly beaten by Cabrera on May 22.

Or how about all the teams that got hammered by Cabrera this year, and saw first-hand how Cabrera impacted the standings.

Kirk Gibson wants tougher penalties for players who are busted. From Nick Piecoro's story:

"I can say that certainly the majority of people who are in this game care about the integrity of the game," Diamondbacks manager Kirk Gibson said. "We're all committed to cleaning it up. Obviously, there's not a big enough deterrent if it continues."

Gibson doesn't know what the right answer is. He just believes it's something greater than the penalties tied to the game's current drug policy, which calls for a 50-game suspension for a first-time positive test.

"I don't have an exact number," Gibson said. "I think it should be a minimum of a year (for a first positive) and after that it should just be banned."

Gibson rarely voices opinions on big-picture baseball topics, confining himself instead to the realm directly related to his job description. But on this day, on this topic, he felt strongly enough to break character.

In nine games against them this season, Cabrera had his way with Diamondbacks pitching. He was 18 for 39 (.462) with three doubles, two homers, eight runs scored and six RBIs, numbers Gibson rattled off during a pregame session with reporters. The Giants won four of those nine games.

"He's had a huge impact against us," Gibson said. "And then you go back to 2008 with the Manny thing. Huge impact. You compare like in the NCAA with Penn State. All those people are gone and Penn State is paying for it. Here it's just tied to the individual. I think we need much stronger ramifications for that type of activity. It just absolutely cannot be tolerated."

I wrote about this in a post Wednesday, after talking with some players on background.

The New York Yankees were surprised about the Cabrera news, writes Zach Schonbrun.

He sought an edge and then fell off the cliff.

Victor Conte thinks testosterone is the biggest loophole.

From The Daily News story:

Conte told The News recently that he believes the most popular performance enhancers in sports are not necessarily the undetectable designer steroids he provided athletes with more than a decade ago from his BALCO offices near San Francisco, but the kind of simple, fast-acting synthetic testosterone Cabrera is believed to have tested positive for.
"I'm told that they rub it on their hands or under their arms," he said, adding that the "trans-dermal" creams, as they're known, clear the system in six to eight hours and don't breach the 4-to-1 testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio that triggers a positive test under most programs.

This ban is going to cost Cabrera a lot of money, writes Joel Sherman. The Melky suspension shows that the sport is still dirty, writes Bob Klapisch. The Kansas City Royals were surprised.

The Giants have a decision to make, as Henry Schulman writes. A Giant told Alex Pavlovic, "This could be a turning point" -- the day before, and the player might be right without knowing why.

From ESPN Stats and Info: Cabrera became one of the better hitters in baseball during the past year and a half, hitting .346 this season. His biggest improvement came from hitting fastballs, where his average jumped more than 50 points from 2009 to 2012.

Cabrera vs. fastballs in the last four seasons (BA/OPS)
2009: .288/.800
2010: .293/.749
2011: .338/.904
2012: .345/.949

Moves, deals and decisions

1. A Pirates coach isn't interested in an available college job.

2. Brian Matusz to the bullpen is just temporary, says GM Dan Duquette.

3. The Cleveland Indians need more offense in 2013, Manny Acta says.

4. Chris Parmalee might be returning.

5. The Chicago Cubs continue to go through a front office shakeup, and Phil Rogers wonders how one executive, in particular, will survive.

6. Chipper Jones is going to be back in the lineup for his bobblehead day.

7. Buster Posey wants more time behind the plate.

Dings and dents

1. Paul Konerko is set to return.

2. The question about Troy Tulowitzki is whether he should return this year, writes Troy Renck.

NL East notes

• Umpires made R.A. Dickey cut off his bracelets.

• The Philadelphia Phillies had a rough go of it.

• The Miami Marlins came alive at the plate.

• Dan Uggla mashed a big home run, in support of Paul Maholm, who keeps doing great stuff for the Atlanta Braves.

NL Central notes

• The St. Louis Cardinals caught the Pirates in the wild-card chase. Rafael Furcal is hitting again.

• Mike Leake went the distance.

• The Cubs won a series against the Houston Astros.

• This is not a recording: The Brewers' bullpen collapsed, and Milwaukee was swept.

• The Astros gave up a lot of homers.

NL West notes

• The Diamondbacks continue to be a riddle.

• Clayton Kershaw was The Man for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

• Edinson Volquez struggled.

AL East notes

• The Baltimore Orioles rallied, and they now lead the AL wild-card race, which is pretty crazy.

• The Jays' pitching was knocked around.

• Freddy Garcia was excellent.

AL Central

• Miguel Cabrera continues to amaze, as John Lowe writes.

• The Royals were powered by a two-run burst.

• Roberto Hernandez was flat in his first start back with the Indians.

• The Minnesota Twins had a plan that worked well early, and they still lost.

• Adam Dunn clubbed career homer No. 399, and the White Sox won again, as Dave van Dyck writes.

AL West notes

• Josh Hamilton hit a couple of homers, but the Texas Rangers still lost. Center field seems to be his new spot.

• Brandon McCarthy was really good, but the Royals still lost.

• Ervin Santana was impressive. Nothing Mike Trout does surprises us anymore, writes Bill Plunkett.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Soriano trade coming?
AM ETAlfonso Soriano | Cubs Recommend0Comments0EmailChicago Cubs outfielder Alfonso Soriano has cleared waivers, reported Jon Heyman of Wednesday, which means he can be traded to any team. OK, not really.

Soriano has full no-trade rights and can veto any trade brought to him by the club and told Patrick Mooney of Comcast Sportsnet "I don't think so," when asked if he might change his mind and accept a trade to a team such as the San Francisco Giants.

The Giants, having lost Melky Cabrera for the rest of the season due to suspension, may look around for offensive help.

Soriano is due about $1.5 million for the rest of 2012, but $36 million guaranteed for 2013 and 2014 combined. The Cubs are believed to be willing to eat a significant portion of his salary, but the player has to be willing to go, and it appears that isn't the case right now, or at least when it comes to the Giants.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Chicago Cubs, San Francisco Giants, Alfonso Soriano
Rangers roster plans
AM ETTexas Rangers Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Texas Rangers are planning to stick with their current 8-man relief corps through the weekend series in Toronto, reports

The club isn't likely to add a utility infielder -- possibly a veteran -- though not Yuniesky Betancourt, who was recently released by the Kansas City Royals -- and possibly top prospect Jurickson Profar -- until Monday.

The club does not have a candidate for such a role on their 40-man, and of those not yet on the roster, Profar is by far the most likely to be an asset.

In related news, right-hander Koji Uehara is nearing a return from the disabled list, but is likely still a week or two away. He threw live BP Wednesday at Double-A Frisco and is expected to do so again Saturday.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Texas Rangers, Yuniesky Betancourt, Koji Uehara
Dice-K done in Boston?
AM ETDaisuke Matsuzaka | Red Sox Recommend0Comments0EmailDaisuke Matsuzaka has had an injury-filled sixth season in Major League Baseball, and his recent rehab start could be an indication that his career in Boston has come to an end.

He struggled in Triple-A Pawtucket Wednesday, surrendering four earned runs on five hits and two walks in his fourth rehab start during this stint on the disabled list.

The Sox have through August 29 to decide whether Matsuzaka is ready to come back to the big leagues, at which time they will have to activate the right-hander, option him to Pawtucket or again place him on the disabled list. If he's DL'd again or optioned, the minor league schedule would be complete before he was eligible to rehab again, effectively ending his season. Pawtucket could make the postseason, however, which could change things on that front. They sit just one game back with two-plus weeks remaining.

Dice-K will hit the free agent market this offseason, and it appears highly unlikely that the Red Sox make a serious bid for his services, unless he comes at a greatly reduced rate. That isn't out of the question, though, considering he's battled injuries this season and may want a comfortable place to reestablish his value.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Boston Red Sox, Daisuke Matsuzaka
Weeks on the hot seat?
AM ETJemile Weeks | Athletics Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Oakland Athletics, who are in the thick of the Wildcard hunt in the American League and trail the American League West leaders -- the Texas Rangers -- by just six games with six weeks remaining -- may be having second thoughts about one of their regulars.

Second baseman Jemile Weeks has struggled at the plate all season and enters play Thursday with a .220/.304/.303 triple-slash, serving as a major weak link in the A's thin offensive armor. It may be Weeks' defense, however, that costs him his job, writes Casey Pratt of

Weeks made a costly error Tuesday and the defensive metrics show he's been below average with the glove during his time in the big leagues. That puts pressure on Weeks' bat, which was a bright spot when he came up a year ago.

Pratt points out that former first-roundpick Grant Green, a natural shortstop who has played the outfield and third base a lot this season, as well, has been playing second base regularly for the past eight games. Perhaps the A's are preparing for Green to be called up soon to help them at second base in light of Weeks' struggles.

In the meantime, Adam Rosales is getting time at second.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Oakland Athletics, Adam Rosales, Jemile Weeks
Future for Ortiz
AM ETDavid Ortiz | Red Sox Recommend0Comments0EmailDavid Ortiz is still not ready to return to action, and it appears it may be a little while, writes Ian Browne of

Big Papi is not running or hitting, part of a plan to back off his rehab work to make sure he avoids any further setbacks. Browne indicates the DH will not likely play for at least the rest of the current week, but he's been out a month now and may need a little time to get ready once he's cleared for all baseball activities.

With the Red Sox's season getting away from them, the focus may shift from when Ortiz returns in 2012 to whether or not he comes back to Boston next season. And if he does return, under what terms, exactly.

Ortiz and the club agreed to terms on a one-year deal worth just over $14.575 million for this season. He'll be 37 this fall, but showed he can still rake, and it's difficult to believe he'd play anywhere else, as long as the Sox come at him with a fair offer.

With the Red Sox's season getting away from them, the focus may shift from when Ortiz returns in 2012 to whether or not he comes back to Boston next season. And if he does return, under what terms, exactly.

Ortiz and the club agreed to terms on a one-year deal worth just over $14.575 million for this season. He'll be 37 this fall, but showed he can still rake, and it's difficult to believe he'd play anywhere else, as long as the Sox come at him with a fair offer.

Ryan Lavarnway, for whom playing time was recently cleared when the team dealt Kelly Shoppach to the New York Mets, is likely to continue to get time at DH while Ortiz remains on the disabled list. The right-handed slugger also could be Boston's backup plan at DH in case Ortiz does not return for 2013.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Boston Red Sox, Ryan Lavarnway, David Ortiz
Matusz's role
AM ETBrian Matusz | Orioles Recommend0Comments1EmailThe Baltimore Orioles lost left-hander Troy Patton to the disabled list and are considering moving southpaw Brian Matusz into a relief role, reports Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun.

Skipper Buck Showalter went as far as to say "I think that's something you'll probably see us do here very quickly," suggesting the decision has already been made.

Matusz is effective versus left-handed batters, holding them to a .174 average this season and .223 over the course of his short big league career, and the change in roles may be the best way for Matusz to get back to The Show, at least for 2012.

General manager Dan Duquette said Wednesday that the club still views Matusz as a starter long term, since it's more valuable, and that a move to the bullpen right now is due to team need.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Brian Matusz, Troy Patton, Baltimore Orioles
August 15, 2012Impact of Cabrera's suspension
PM ETMelky Cabrera | Giants Recommend0Comments3EmailThe San Francisco Giants will be without Melky Cabrera for the rest of the season as the outfielder has been suspended for violating the league's drug policy, tweets ESPN's Jorge Arangure.

Cabrera will also miss the first four games in 2013 or the first four games of this year's playoffs, but the real impact is on the 2012 pennant race between the Giants and the heated rival Dodgers.

The Giants are likely to replace Cabrera in the lineup with Gregor Blanco, but will likely call up an outfielder from Triple-A, perhaps Justin Christian.

Cabrera's pending free agency is almost certain to be negatively impacted, too, as the testosterone he was on can easily be credited with a portion of his huge success this season, and some clubs may not want to take such a risk on a multi-year contract, suggesting the suspension may actually help the Giants keep Cabrera into 2013. That is, unless they have soured on Cabrera as a result of the positive test.

- Jason A. Churchill

Eric Karabell
Cabrera replacements

"I wouldn't try to find someone capable of hitting .346 the rest of the season. It was pretty unlikely Cabrera was going to do that in the first place; he was hitting .309 in August. Look closer at your place in the standings in home runs and stolen bases and see if you need an upgrade there, and whether you can afford to lose a bit in batting average, because quite a few of these available players aren't going to hit even .250 the rest of the way. In terms of cheap and likely available power, Eric Chavez, Jonny Gomes, Mark Reynolds,Todd Frazier, Brett Wallace, Wilin Rosario, Dustin Ackley, Zack Cozart, Starling Marte andSalvador Perez are the only players with three or more home runs in the past 15 days that are still available in more than half of ESPN's standard leagues."
Tags:Melky Cabrera, Gregor Blanco, Justin Christian, San Francisco Giants, Los Angeles Dodgers
August 15, 2012Who's on first in Denver?
PM ETColorado Rockies Recommend0Comments1EmailFor now, Todd Helton is still under contract, a deal that lasts through the 2013 season, and there have been no hints that he's calling it quits a year early, so Helton will get at least some of the playing at first base next season. What happens on days he sits and after he hangs up the spikes is anyone's guess. Let's give it a shot, anyway.

The first thought is Michael Cuddyer, who is aging -- 34 before next season begins -- and the Rockies seem to have plenty of options in the outfield with Dexter Fowler, Carlos Gonzalez and a combination of Tyler Colvin, Eric Young, Jr., and prospect Tim Wheeler.

Other than Cuddyer, the Rockies lack clear options at the position, suggesting that if they intend to use Cuddyer in the outfield regularly, they'll need to acquire some first base help as early as this winter. Jason Giambi has been getting part-time duty at first, but he's a free agent at season's end and may not be back for '13.

If the Rockies aren't planning to spend money on a free agent or send young players away in a trade to acquire veteran, perhaps a cheaper answer such as Lyle Overbay, James Loney or Daric Barton will be of interest.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Colorado Rockies, Daric Barton, James Loney, Lyle Overbay, Michael Cuddyer, Todd Helton
August 15, 2012Update on Braden, Anderson
PM ETOakland Athletics Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Oakland Athletics are stacked with starting pitching but while they may get left-hander Brett Anderson back next week to add to that depth, southpaw Dallas Braden will need more surgery and will not pitch in 2012, reports Susan Slusser.

Anderson is slated for one more rehab start with Triple-A Sacramento and could rejoin the big club next week in the heat of the team's Wildcard chase.

Braden's surgery is considered exploratory, manager Bob Melvin said, so he should be ready for spring training come February.

- Jason A. Churchill

Jim Bowden
Who is the X-Factor in Oakland?

"Circumstance: The A's are for real, boasting solid young pitching, above-average defense and a surprising offense. But could that young pitching be helped by a veteran ace down the stretch? X factor: Brett Anderson. The 24-year-old lefty has missed most of the season recovering from Tommy John surgery, but he just threw six shutout innings in a Triple-A rehab start last Friday and could return to the majors in the next week. Anderson won 11 games with an ERA of 2.80 in 2010, before breaking down in 2011."
Tags:Oakland Athletics, Brett Anderson, Dallas Braden
August 15, 2012Garza's altered future
PM ETMatt Garza | Cubs Recommend1Comments0EmailFirst it was all about the Chicago Cubs trading Matt Garza. Then it became about signing the right-hander to a multi-year extension. Then he got hurt and survived the trade deadline. Now, Garza's short-term future is cloudy, at best.

Garza, writes Toni Ginnetti of the Chicago Sun-Times, is likely out for the rest of the season. Not would that make it difficult for the team to trade him this winter, but it also makes it difficult to evaluate his worth in terms of a contract extension.

All this points to Garza being back with the club to start next season and adds some pressure on the veteran to perform to either earn an extension by proving he's healthy, improve his trade value or simply add to his resume once he hits free agency after the season.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Chicago Cubs, Matt Garza
August 15, 2012Guthrie's FA stock rising
PM ETJeremy Guthrie | Royals Recommend0Comments1EmailRight-hander Jeremy Guthrie tossed eight shutout innings at the Chicago White Sox last Wednesday, his second straight quality outing, and repeated the effort Tuesday. Perhaps Guthrie was simply the victim of a new league and the rigors of pitching in the thin air at Coors Field, but he's been a completely different pitcher since coming back to the American League.

The 33-year-old will be a free agent after the season, but may have found a home with the Kansas City Royals, who desperately need veteran starting pitching and have given indications that they are willing to spend money on the right arms. Keeping Guthrie around could be part of their offseason plan, though GM Dayton Moore is certain to look for top-of-the-rotation additions, too.

Guthrie could be a fit for several clubs as a back-end starter who can eat innings, provided he's not too pricey and continues to pitch at such a level.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Jeremy Guthrie, Kansas City Royals
August 15, 2012Limits for Samardzija
PM ETJeff Samardzija | Cubs Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Chicago Cubs' brass is keeping a close eye on the workload of right-hander Jeff Samardzija and couldpotemtially shut him down, reports Bruce Levine of

Samardzija has tallied nearly 140 frames this season, almost 30 more than he has ever before, so at some point in September he very well could be shut down.

"We're monitoring things and talking about it, but it is not something we have engaged him on," Theo Epstein said. "We have just let him go, but we have (the whole staff) talking about it. We will do what is best for him long term."

If you're counting on Samardzija in fantasy ball, make some changes, because it;s highly unlikely he makes it through the end of the season.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Jeff Samardzija, Chicago Cubs
August 15, 2012Wallace's future with Astros
AM ETBrett Wallace | Astros Recommend0Comments0EmailBrett Wallace is getting another shot from the Houston Astros and and making the most it thus far.

Wallace struggled in his first few stints in the big leagues but is batting nearly .400 this time around. Skipper Brad Mills has Wallace playing third base, too, a position for which Wallace will soon qualify for fantasy purposes.

With Chris Johnson being traded to Arizona, the Astros have an opening at the hot corner, so it appears Wallace is their first choice and could spend all of 2013 there -- if he continues to hit.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Houston Astros, Brett Wallace
August 15, 2012New names for winter deals?
AM ETFuture Trade Candidates Recommend0Comments3EmailWhile several names rumored to be on the trade block this summer that didn't get moved may again be shopped this offseason, there are likely to be new names surfacing once the 2012 season is over and clubs look to reshape their rosters.

Denard Span, Justin Morneau, Josh Willingham, Josh Johnson, Matt Garza and Justin Upton could again be available, but so could Kansas City's Billy Butler, as the Royals search for impact starting pitching, as well as Cleveland's Shin-Soo Choo and Boston's Jacoby Ellsbury, two names that were mentioned but talks reportedly did not go very far in either instance.

Both Choo and Ellsbury will be a free agents after 2013, while Butler is signed through 2014 with a club option for 2015. The Royals could entertain offers for Gordon rather than Butler, especially if rivals hold out for a more valuable player -- Gordon can play the field well while Butler is relegated to DH duties -- in return for pitching. Prospect Wil Myers could replace Gordon in the field and eventually as a productive bat, if not right away.

Hunter Pence, who was traded to the Giants last month, could be on the move again as his 2013 salary figures to be north of $13 million via arbitration.

Jed Lowrie could also be shopped over the winter, as could fellow shortstop Yunel Escobar, Arizona outfielder Gerardo Parra. A player such as Upton, Butler, Gordon or Baltimore's J.J. Hardy, could be candidates for trade next summer if things fall just right, including health, performance and the development of players behind them.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Baltimore Orioles, Arizona Diamondbacks, Kansas City Royals, Jacoby Ellsbury, Alex Gordon, Billy Butler, Shin-Soo Choo, Justin Upton, Jed Lowrie, Gerardo Parra, J.J. Hardy
August 15, 2012No. 1 prospect to the show?
AM ETTexas Rangers Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Texas Rangers are considering calling up top prospect Jurickson Profar from Double-A Frisco, writes T.R. Sullivan of

The Rangers' timing with such a move could come as early as Monday as late as September when rosters expand. Sullivan explains that the clubs has just three players on their bench right now but when the current road trip ends will likely go back to a 4-man bench, at which time Profar could be the call-up.

The switch-hitting shortstop is widely considered among the very best prospects in the game and could eventually push Elvis Andrus out the door via trade, or even switch positions to second base or center field simply to get him on the field everyday.

The 19-year-old is batting .285/.363/.470 with 14 home runs and 15 steals this season, and could spell Andrus at shortstop, Ian Kinsler at second base and pinch run late in games, if he's summoned ahead of other candidates such as Brandon Snyder, Leonys Martin, Julio Borbon and Engel Beltre. Each of the four on already on the 40-man roster, whereas Profar is not. The Rangers have room, however, so that shouldn't be a factor in the decision making process.

- Jason A. Churchill

Keith Law
Profar at the top

"Profar has the ultimate mark of an elite prospect. He keeps improving even as he is challenged with better competition. In this case, the Rangers jumped the 19-year-old two levels to Double-A, where he has continued to hit for average, get on base, make contact, show surprising power for his size, hit from both sides of the plate and play plus defense. There's no real hole in his game, and he looks as if he'll be more than ready for the majors before he turns 21 -- another mark of a potential superstar -- if the Rangers can create a spot for him."
Tags:Elvis Andrus, Ian Kinsler, Julio Borbon, Leonys Martin, Texas Rangers
August 15, 2012Morrow's return
AM ETBrandon Morrow | Blue Jays Recommend0Comments0EmailBrandon Morrow tossed a strong 4 2/3 innings on rehab Monday and could be activated as early as next week after one more start in the minors.

Morrow will likely replace left-hander Aaron Laffey in the rotation, sending the journeyman back to the bullpen. Carlos Villanueva would have been another candidate, but he's throwing the ball very well right now and appears to have earned the right to continue starting.

Morrow's arm should be fresh, so he could be lightning in a bottle down the stretch, though it appears to be to little, too late for the Jays' playoff hopes.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Toronto Blue Jays, Carlos Villanueva, Aaron Laffey, Brandon Morrow
August 15, 2012First rounder to bigs?
AM ETWashington Nationals Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Washington Nationals have promoted 2011 first-round pick Anthony Rendon to Double-A Harrisburg, reports Byron Kerr of Rendon missed several weeks this season due to injury and has now been promoted three times since returning earlier this summer.

Rendon, 22, was the top pure college bat in the draft class but came with an injury history and concerns that his big power wouldn't play as much in pro ball and with the wood bat. He's healthy now -- we'll see if he can stay off the disabled list -- but he's yet to be challenged by solid pitching.

Manager Davey Johnson adds to the news of Rendon's promotion by say the infielder "might be" a candidate for a September call-up when rosters expand, tweets Amanda Comack.

Rendon could otherwise be big league ready sometime in 2013 and may be an option at first base, a position the Nationals do not have a young player penciled in at for the long haul. He's very capable at third, however, so if Ryan Zimmerman continues to struggle to stay off the DL himself, Rendon could help at that position, too.

There's been talk that Rendon could learn to play second base, but considering his leg and ankle injuries, such a transition may not be in the cards. Rendon has played third base or served as the DH in each of his games played in pro ball thus far.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Washington Nationals, Ryan Zimmerman, Adam LaRoche
August 15, 2012Indians to eye hitters
AM ETCleveland Indians Recommend0Comments0EmailWhile we have yet to complete our installation of a Rumor Central wiretap on the phone lines of Cleveland Indians GM Chris Antonetti and his staff -- wink.gif -- skipper Manny Acta is talking about the club's future and potentially cluing us in on their winter plans.

Tuesday on SiriusXM Radio with Jim Bowden and Casey Stern, Acta said the club needs three hitters and a starting pitcher to compete in the American League Central. That's quite a tall order, but it's interesting nonetheless.

One of the bats probably has to come at first base, while an outfielder and possibly a third baseman could also be on the wish list. Lonnie Chisenhall could claim the hot corner with consistent play, but he's been on the disabled list most of the season with an arm injury and subsequent surgery.

Among the possible free agents the Indians could make a play for include Mike Napoli, but the club's reluctance to greatly expand payroll may force Antonetti to go the trade route, especially considering the arbitration raises due several key players such as Shin-Soo Choo, which nullifies the savings stemming from the declining of club option on Travis Hafner and the expiring contract of Grady Sizemore.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Travis Hafner, Shin-Soo Choo, Grady Sizemore, Manny Acta, Cleveland Indians
August 15, 2012Six-man rotation in Queens?
AM ETNew York Mets Recommend0Comments0EmailIn order to better rest Johan Santana and Chris Young, New York Mets manager Terry Collins is considering a six-man starting rotation.

What Collins will not do down the stretch is use R.A. Dickey on short rest regularly, and if the club does decide to go to six starters, Jeremy Hefner is the likely No. 6 starter.

Collins says the team has not decided for sure if or when such a plan would be implemented and that the team is concerned with disrupting the schedules of Dickey and Jon Niese.

If they go to a six-man staff, fantasy owners will need to adjust accordingly, though it's possible they could do a four and two setup where Niese and Dickey always pitch on regular rest and everyone else gets an extra day or two. Stay tuned.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Jeremy Hefner, New York Mets, Chris Young, Johan Santana, R.A. Dickey, Jonathon Niese
August 15, 2012McDonald to the 'pen?
AM ETJames McDonald | Pirates Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Pittsburgh Pirates have a week remaining on their 20-game stretch without a day off and skipper Clint Hurdle says the club will return to a five-man rotation at that point, writes Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune. That means someone will lose their starting spot and be sent to the bullpen.

Biertempfel opines that right-hander James McDonald may be the odd-man out due to his struggles since the All-Star break. McDonald has posted an 8.71 ERA in 31 innings in the past month, suggesting he's the weak link right now.

Kevin Correia could be another candidate to move to the bullpen but he's been string of late and the club is still trying to hang onto a Wildcard berth, a race in which they lead heading into Wednesday's games.

- Jason A. Churchill
Tags:Kevin Correia, Pittsburgh Pirates, James McDonald
August 15, 2012How much money for Wright?
AM ETDavid Wright | Mets Recommend0Comments2EmailThird baseman David Wright says he likes the direction the New York Mets are headed and is hopeful and optimistic that the two sides can agree on a long-term extension, writes Mike Puuma of the New York Post. The question, despite Wright saying money would not be the deciding factor, now becomes about the dollars.

Wright has had a rebound season and is could be in line for a deal similar to that of Washington Nationals third baseman Ryan Zimmerman. Despite Zimmerman being nearly two years younger than Wright, his contract does not begin until 2014, when he'll be about as old as Wright will be this winter when am extension is most likely to occur.

The six-year, $100 million pact the Nats gave their third baseman, may be a bit steep for the Mets on a 30-year-old player, but that is the going rate. Perhaps Wright will be amenable to a five-year deal in the $80 million range, but it's difficult to imagine anything less than that getting it done.

The Mets have cleared payroll space in recent months by trading Carlos Beltran, letting Jose Reyes leave via free agency and avoiding big-money free agents, suggesting they have the available monies to make a fair offer to Wright and keep him around.

The alternative is to shop Wright's services over the winter and try to add multiple pieces to the puzzle. Wright's contract is not up until after 2013 due to a club option for $16 million, making a trade plausible, though not likely.

- Jason A. Churchill
post #7575 of 73413
Originally Posted by abovelegit1 View Post

Shame. Likely was on it last year too. Career was close to over after his year in Atlanta before broke KC signed him for peanuts, and those groundouts became singles.

Cmon you really believe that, it's just a magic pill that can turn a 4th out fielder to a mvp candidate? Really?

That sounds like horseshit to me, his BABIP is also like 400 so that probably has more to do with it.

I hope he comes back and keeps hitting like Braun did.
Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
post #7576 of 73413
It's only horseshit if dude's been on the juice his whole career and has only now found out how to hit.
post #7577 of 73413
Thread Starter 
Sizing up the 2012 awards races.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
As we approach what you might call the quarter pole of the baseball season, the races for the major postseason player awards are starting to narrow to fairly small lists of candidates, with one and possibly two already all but decided. If the season ended today, here is how I would vote on the two MVP awards, the two Cy Young awards, and the AL Rookie of the Year award, with brief explanations for each. I'm voting on the NL Rookie of the Year award this year, so I will not discuss that award again until the results of the balloting are revealed in November.


1. Mike Trout
2. Robinson Cano
3. Justin Verlander
4. Austin Jackson
5. Felix Hernandez

Trout has the performance and the narrative in his favor right now; if he maintains this crazy level of performance, the only argument against him would be if the Angels miss the playoffs, and claiming that an individual player's value is somehow tied to the performance of his teammates is just flat-earth thinking.

One of the most popular questions I've gotten recently is whether Miguel Cabrera will win the AL MVP award. I don't presume to know what the voters will do, but I know that as it stands right now, he shouldn't appear in the top three spots on any ballot. Cabrera's offensive performance has been solid, but he's a major negative on defense at third base, so a player like Cano, a good defender at a position (second base) where offensive levels are lower, is more valuable overall even though Cabrera has slightly higher raw rate stats. Cabrera is the third-most valuable player on his own team, behind Verlander and Jackson, the latter of whom has completely transformed himself at the plate this year and is a plus defender in center.


1. Andrew McCutchen
2. David Wright
3. Buster Posey
4. Ryan Braun
5. Chase Headley

McCutchen leads the NL in both the Baseball Reference and FanGraphs versions of wins above replacement despite a strongly negative defensive number, one I find rather hard to believe and that may be a function of PNC Park's odd dimensions, as McCutchen -- by visual evaluation a good defender in center -- has always scored poorly in UZR and in Baseball Reference's defensive runs saved.

Like Trout, McCutchen may suffer with some voters if his team misses the playoffs, although any rational voter might consider what the Pirates' record would be like without his offensive contributions before dismissing his value. Posey's case may also be tied to whether his team makes the playoffs or not, and his defensive numbers aren't helping his statistical case; I think he's a better defensive catcher than those metrics indicate, and he shouldn't be penalized for playing a handful of games out of position. I may be unfairly omitting Michael Bourn, but so much of his value this year comes from huge numbers in the advanced defensive metrics, with which I'm less comfortable than I am with advanced offensive numbers.

AL Cy Young

1. Justin Verlander
2. Felix Hernandez
3. Jake Peavy
4. CC Sabathia
5. Chris Sale

It's a two-man race right now, with Verlander enjoying a comfortable lead over King Felix, even if you normalize Verlander's stats upward to reflect his low batting average on balls in play -- and Verlander's BABIP has been quite low for over two years now, raising the question of whether he might have slightly more skill than other pitchers in limiting hits on balls in play. Sale has been nearly as effective this year as Verlander on a per-inning basis, but he's already skipped starts twice this year and the White Sox seem inclined to back off his workload now to keep him available in October, which will hurt his candidacy.

As for AL ERA leader Jered Weaver, he's nearly 40 innings behind Verlander, and has had remarkable luck/defensive help on balls in play -- .225 BABIP, by far a career low -- as an extreme fly-ball pitcher with Superman in the outfield behind him.

NL Cy Young
1. R.A. Dickey
2. Johnny Cueto
3. Clayton Kershaw
4. Gio Gonzalez
5. Stephen Strasburg

The most interesting thing about Dickey's stat line this year is that among NL pitchers he's essentially tied with the other four pitchers listed above for the league lead in FanGraphs' WAR even though that statistic, which normalizes a pitcher's performance by using a league-average BABIP, may in fact handle his performance unfairly, as knuckleballers do seem to be able to reduce the rate of hits allowed on balls in play more so than "conventional" pitchers.

Cueto pitches in a harder home environment and has faced at least as difficult a slate of opposing offenses as Dickey has, so he has a reasonable case to be first overall even without considering irrelevant variables like pitching in a pennant race. Strasburg's placement on ballots will be fascinating; no starting pitcher has ever won the Cy Young Award in a full, non-strike-shortened season with under 200 innings (Pedro Martinez's 213 1/3 IP in 1999 were the fewest), but Strasburg has pitched well enough that he might have a case for a few fifth-place votes even with his soon-to-be-truncated workload.

As for Aroldis Chapman and Craig Kimbrel, while both are having spectacular years in relief, neither is as valuable as what a good full-time starter can provide in three to four times as many innings. Chapman might be in the midst of the best relief season ever, and yet ranks just 12th in the NL among pitchers in FanGraphs' WAR because he doesn't pitch enough -- he's retired more than three batters in one appearance just once since Memorial Day. There's a lot of lost value in the practice of limiting relievers to one inning per outing, and until more teams realize this, you're not going to see relievers on my Cy Young ballots.

AL Rookie of the Year

1. Mike Trout
2. Yu Darvish
3. Jarrod Parker

First place here isn't remotely a conversation; I had Trout as the best prospect in the minors for the last two years and he has even exceeded my own expectations for him. His FanGraphs' WAR is more than twice that of any other rookie, hitter or pitcher, in either league. He is ridiculously good, performing so well that he could skip the rest of the season and still win this award.

Darvish's season, on the other hand, has been a significant disappointment relative to expectations, primarily due to one thing -- his lack of control. Darvish has walked 79 batters in 140 2/3 innings this year; he never walked more than 49 batters in any season in Japan, and walked 83 batters combined in his last two years in 434 innings. His stuff has been outstanding and his strikeout rates are excellent, but the consensus approach to facing Darvish is to let him fall behind in the count, and when he does that, he tends to work outside the zone to get hitters to chase, which by and large they're not doing.

If he were a prospect with a history of poor walk rates, I'd be very bearish on him, but his entire NPB experience contradicts the four months we've seen from him here. I think this is more a question of changing his plan, getting him to attack the zone when he falls behind, than resigning ourselves to chronically awful walk rates.
post #7578 of 73413
I doubt it's the placebo effect.....It's no coincidence that pitching as soared after PED were banned and outlawed.
Straight Cash Homey
Straight Cash Homey
post #7579 of 73413
Originally Posted by JesusShuttlesworth34 View Post

I doubt it's the placebo effect.....It's no coincidence that pitching as soared after PED were banned and outlawed.

Pitchers are just better, velocity is up in 2002 average fastball was 89.7, now it's 92.
Teams are better at measuring and evaluating defense, better defense = less hits = more no hitters.
Teams are less strikeout averse and walk friendly, so guys there are more guys like Adam Dunn's, Carlos Pena's who walks and strike out a ton and don't get hits = more no hitters
teams utilize shifts better = more no hitters.

Nobody is really shure how steroids impact your ability to hit a baseball, it is not as obvious as you may think.
Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
post #7580 of 73413
Wow, if you don't think steroids helped Melky Carera from going to a below average player to damn near a superstar I don't know what to say. I was astonished at the year he was having, I remember watching so many at bats of his while he was on the Yankees, he was extremely disappointing. I've been telling a bunch of friends of mine that Melky had to of been taking some type of substance. It just doesn't make sense. I'm not surprised at all.

The better question is "how many players are truly taking illegal substances?" players have been getting caught every year and it seems like its not stopping. Some of these players are becoming extremely confident and may be taking some type of undetectable substance.

Read this
post #7581 of 73413
If it didn't help players wouldn't keep chancing it.

From Smith to Friedman, we know what's up

Official Member of the Steeler Nation

From Smith to Friedman, we know what's up

Official Member of the Steeler Nation
post #7582 of 73413
Now that he was caught - everyone knew he was taking something. laugh.gif
What's 1.21 gigawatts to a McFly like me. Can you please remind me?
What's 1.21 gigawatts to a McFly like me. Can you please remind me?
post #7583 of 73413
Thread Starter 
cp (reno)

where you "concerned" about Melky and his offensive numbers being so much higher than the past?

Klaw (2:02 PM)

Concerned? No. Skeptical, yes. But absolutely not accepting the rationale that testosterone - which we've been told for years increases power - somehow increased his ability to hit for average on balls in play. I don't see any supporting evidence, and arguing that just to support my contention that Melky wouldn't hold his level of performance would be extremely hypocritical.

Help some of you folks out.
post #7584 of 73413
I love the argument that PEDs dont help you hit a baseball, because it definitely does.

Better bat speed = more hits. 95+ mph fastballs that u couldnt catch up to before are now easily hittable. Balls that would have been pop ups turn into homeruns because youre hitting faster pitches with a faster and
More powerful swing.. and balls that would hve been within a shortstops range will now be hit too hard for him to catch up with, thus resulting in more base hits

Also, when dudes are juicing their confidence is probably through the roof knowing they have an edge. If youve ever played baseball you know its a mental game so basically , Enhanced confidence = more hits.

So while steroids may not enhance hand-eye coordination, it definitely increases bat speed and confidence, two major things when it comes to
Hitting a baseball.

Melky Cabrera and Ryan Braun: fraud status.
Team Boston {since 1990}
Team Boston {since 1990}
post #7585 of 73413
I don't live in Reno. Copycat.
post #7586 of 73413
At the end of the day I don't care about PEDs I just want to be entertained
post #7587 of 73413
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh View Post

Pitchers are just better, velocity is up in 2002 average fastball was 89.7, now it's 92.
Teams are better at measuring and evaluating defense, better defense = less hits = more no hitters.
Teams are less strikeout averse and walk friendly, so guys there are more guys like Adam Dunn's, Carlos Pena's who walks and strike out a ton and don't get hits = more no hitters
teams utilize shifts better = more no hitters.
Nobody is really shure how steroids impact your ability to hit a baseball, it is not as obvious as you may think.

So that is how you explain the drastic drop in Home Runs? While there might not be direct evidence or a clear cut measurable statistic on the impact of steroids.....ignoring the affect it can have is laughable.
Straight Cash Homey
Straight Cash Homey
post #7588 of 73413
Matt Kemp doesn't care about the kids. mean.gif


What's 1.21 gigawatts to a McFly like me. Can you please remind me?
What's 1.21 gigawatts to a McFly like me. Can you please remind me?
post #7589 of 73413
Every time someone gets caught juicing, it makes me wonder if other players (not in the MLB) take some sort of illegal substance.






post #7590 of 73413
Garrett Jones show today.
What's 1.21 gigawatts to a McFly like me. Can you please remind me?
What's 1.21 gigawatts to a McFly like me. Can you please remind me?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Sports & Training
NikeTalk › NikeTalk Forums › The Lounge › Sports & Training › 2016 MLB thread. Baseball is upon us! Royals are the champs