2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

[ooiron manoo]

I know in the past half decade, the RBI has been labeled "overrated" and a stat that is outdated like "W-L" for pitchers.

In the entire article regarding Cabrera's additional plate appearances, they fail to mention that Cabrera has 52 more RBI's.

Trout is a great talent, probably once in a generation if he continues his upward trajectory. However, he is playing for one of the most dissapointing teams in baseball. It's not his fault he got called up in April, so blame DiPoto for letting marinate in the minors for no real reason. Cabrera is having a monster year, power numbers are better, and might get his team in the playoffs.

Being a defensive liability or playing a position that doesn't require dynamic defense shouldn't be a punishment for MVP (It certainly wasn't for Bonds or Pujols). Is Cabrera a wizard with the glove? No, has his play at first base/third base been detrimental to the Tigers success? No.

Tigers make the playoffs, Miggy should win it. Tigers and Angels both make it or not, let the debate begin.

 

[CP1708]

You didn't read any of that stuff above did you?

Trout has 50 less RBI batting leadoff, without 3 weeks worth of games, and with what was it, 150-200 fewer base runners than Miggy?

Trout could get to 90 rbi or so, batting leadoff, missing almost a month. And the difference between their defense is um, not close.

And I'm confused, if the Angels are a huge letdown, what are the Tigers? Same letdown, are they not?

 

[proshares]

Uhhh Cabrera's lack of a glove at 3rd (along with the infield as a whole) has been a HUGE detriment to their playoff run. They have 3 groundball pitchers in their rotation. Cabrera has 52 more RBI's because of where he bats in the order and who he has in front of him. If RBI's are used in an MVP argument, it's a null argument IMO. They fail to mention it because RBI's are meaningless.

The Tigers were supposed to run away with the division, not lose it to the White Sox who folks picked to finish dead last for the most part. Besides, the Angels have more wins than Detroit playing in a much tougher division

This whole "being a defensive liability shouldn't hurt an MVP" is kinda beyond me. Pujols has always been an average first baseman and some years he was near the top (he had an insane 3 year run as one of the best in the NL). Bonds was as well. That's never been Cabrera. If you're costing your team runs in the field, how should that have any less bearing than driving in runs at the plate? Runs are runs, when they're being driven in or given up. Besides, Bonds and Pujols had historic seasons. Cabrera has not to this point. Great seasons, sure. But never historically great.

Team making the playoffs shouldn't have that great a bearing either. If both teams miss, one of them should still get the MVP. Cano is MAYBE close.

 

[SoleByThePound]

If Miggy wins the Triple Crown all of this Trout talk will become a whisper. That's not to say that Trout isn't an amazing phenom, but we all know that the Triple Crown would be a guaranteed MVP.

 

[proshares]

And that's a bunch of historical ******** if you ask me. A guy leads the league in two statistical categories that have been proven to mean nothing and HR's and all of a sudden is given the MVP. This would be worse than Juan Gonzalez winning it over A-Rod way back when.

 

[ooiron manoo]

Two statistical categories that are "meaningless",

****, give the award to Trout. Award has been "meaningless" for quite sometime now.

Do you give it to the best player?

Do you give it to the most valuable player to a particular team?

Do you give it to the guy with the best stats on a 3rd place team or a guy with good stats for a dissapointing first place team?

 

[CP1708]

I don't understand what your argument for Miggy is tho IM. Simply his triple crown esque numbers? That's it? That's what makes him the most valuable to you?

 

[abovelegit1]

What time did the game end?

3:45 or so.

JJs as you know the O's haven't been decent since Clinton was in office. Just trying to savor it.


Dylan Bundy called up. Remember the name.

He'll pitch out of the pen; has about 20 innings left in him this season.


Edit: Keith Law on the Triple Crown

Apparently there are a ton of people who still view the Triple Crown as Something Special. The problem is that it's nothing more than a statistical quirk, not an indication of superior value. Things not included in the Triple Crown: Walks, HBP, the outs created in sac flies, the extra-base value of doubles or triples, stolen bases, other baserunning value, defense, positional value, park effects. Yeah, that sounds like a real complete look at a player.

 

[CP1708]

Hey tho, if Detroit doesn't make it to the playoffs and Miggy leads those 3 categories, who needs all those other things?

It's like bein a 25 point per game scorer, that gives up 27. M-V-P!!!!!

 

[kevin cleveland]

has his play at first base/third base been detrimental to the Tigers success? No.

Tigers and Angels both make it or not, let the debate begin.

What debate?

Look, one player has never and will never directly correlate to whole team success/failure.

Mike Trout didn't make the decision to turn Peter Bourjos into a fifth outfielder in favor of Mark Trumbo and Vernon Wells, he didn't let a floundering bullpen go unaddressed all summer and he also didn't keep Ervin Santana in the rotation when he probably doesn't belong there.

The dude does a lot of different things for his team. Managing personnel wasn't in the job description. Winning should never matter. Maybe it has in this regard before, but that doesn't mean it's right. As one player, doing his one job of playing baseball, there is no one better.

Miguel Cabrera is one of the best hitters any of us has ever seen. There is no one current player I would rather watch in the box, and I like the dude even though I shouldn't. He is having a great season, unbeknownst to none of us who think Trout is the better (only) choice.

Trout is having one of the best seasons ever.

Ever.

 

[JD617]

Two statistical categories that are "meaningless",

****, give the award to Trout. Award has been "meaningless" for quite sometime now.

Do you give it to the best player?

Do you give it to the most valuable player to a particular team?

Do you give it to the guy with the best stats on a 3rd place team or a guy with good stats for a dissapointing first place team?

You give it to the best individual player in what is essentially an individual sport disguised as a team one. This isn't basketball. Unless you expect Trout to clone himself and hit 3 or 4 times per trip through the lineup instead of just once, I'm not sure what else he could've done.

It's 2012 man, come on.

 

[midwestrzn458]

cabrera all day. been doing it for years. finally gets some love.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

that Miggy HR

 

[wildkycat]

it's Trout. no debate. no discussion.

Only two NL teams had a better record than the Pirates on 7/28. Only the Astros have had a worse record since.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I know in the past half decade, the RBI has been labeled "overrated" and a stat that is outdated like "W-L" for pitchers.
In the entire article regarding Cabrera's additional plate appearances, they fail to mention that Cabrera has 52 more RBI's.
Trout is a great talent, probably once in a generation if he continues his upward trajectory. However, he is playing for one of the most dissapointing teams in baseball. It's not his fault he got called up in April, so blame DiPoto for letting marinate in the minors for no real reason. Cabrera is having a monster year, power numbers are better, and might get his team in the playoffs.
Being a defensive liability or playing a position that doesn't require dynamic defense shouldn't be a punishment for MVP (It certainly wasn't for Bonds or Pujols). Is Cabrera a wizard with the glove? No, has his play at first base/third base been detrimental to the Tigers success? No.
Tigers make the playoffs, Miggy should win it. Tigers and Angels both make it or not, let the debate begin.

What? They have turned only 118 double plays this season, the fewest in the league. DEFENSE MATTERS. It matters at every position, and I think most people would classify 3B as a premium defensive position. It's going to cost this team a playoff spot.

 

[romedadude]

Looking at the standings and my Braves are in the lead for the NL WC. But damn that new one game playoff rule sucks. A great season can all end because we lose one stinking game. Even though we took 5 out of 6 from the Cards this year I'm still worried about playing them in the playoff game.

 

[newbs24]

What? They have turned only 118 double plays this season, the fewest in the league. DEFENSE MATTERS. It matters at every position, and I think most people would classify 3B as a premium defensive position. It's going to cost this team a playoff spot.

Infante hasnt been able to hit the broad side of a barn on double plays and Rayburn/Santiago was playing 2nd before he came... Peralta (good field % but has zero range) is no wiz at SS and Prince is not that good at first either... People make it seem like Miggy is the only bad infielder on that team.... The whole infield is a liability... And Jim Leyland and hsi garbage lineups have screwed the Tigers more than anybodies glove

 

[jesusshuttlesworth34]

Stayed up for both of these O's extra innings games these past two nights......My mind is fried today at work, but it's worth it though.


This team is playing playoff style baseball and they will do some damage in the postseason. Look forward to that Oakland Yankees series so they can knock each other around.

Good looks to Detroit for cooling off the A's.

 

[jjs07]

Stayed up for both of these O's extra innings games these past two nights......My mind is fried today at work, but it's worth it though.
This team is playing playoff style baseball and they will do some damage in the postseason. Look forward to that Oakland Yankees series so they can knock each other around.
Good looks to Detroit for cooling off the A's.

It's been a hell of a ride so far...got a ways to go, but this O's team reminds me of the 2010 Giants

 

[Kimchi Papi]

 

[jesusshuttlesworth34]

Dope video....Check out that fro on Eddie!


The drought has been so long, you can sense the excitement from all the O's fans and area folks on here. I don't mind all these late games this September because they are actually meaningful baseball games. The O's season is usually over by May these last 15 years, so this is definitely appreciated and who knows how long it will last......one day at a time for now.



I hope Baltimore takes advantage of Boston and Toronto and beats up on them.

 

[macbk]

I'll say it again, the O's are really annoying .

 

[jesusshuttlesworth34]

I'll say it again, the O's are really annoying .

If annoying gets Baltimore that AL East crown......I'll take it.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

If you're a sports fan, how can you not like the O's? Unless you're a Yankee fan which I can then understand. This is a fairly young scrappy team that knows how to grind it out & get wins. Seems like a new guys steps up each time to help get that win. Manny Muchado is playing with a youthful zeal that I haven't seen since Griffey Jr first started out. Plus the star player Adam Jones is such a team player. Homey never complained about his contract situation the last couple of years & putting in a yeoman like effort day in & day out (even though he needs to stop chasing those sliders)....Looking forward to seeing what they do in the post season....


BTW, is there a better pitcher out there than Justin Verlander? That dude is a work house.... That dude has played over 80+ games, with at least 6 innings pitched, for 100+ pitches thrown & shows no sign of trailing off...:x If he doesn't win the Cy Young....

 

[jesusshuttlesworth34]

If you're a sports fan, how can you not like the O's? Unless you're a Yankee fan which I can then understand. This is a fairly young scrappy team that knows how to grind it out & get wins. Seems like a new guys steps up each time to help get that win. Manny Muchado is playing with a youthful zeal that I haven't seen since Griffey Jr first started out. Plus the star player Adam Jones is such a team player. Homey never complained about his contract situation the last couple of years & putting in a yeoman like effort day in & day out (even though he needs to stop chasing those sliders)....Looking forward to seeing what they do in the post season....
BTW, is there a better pitcher out there than Justin Verlander? That dude is a work house.... That dude has played over 80+ games, with at least 6 innings pitched, for 100+ pitches thrown & shows no sign of trailing off...:x If he doesn't win the Cy Young....

I agree man.....The Orioles play hard for 9 innings (or 18 depending on the game) and they remind you of a young hungry team that is enjoying each and every day. Great small ball, great defense and solid character guys on the squad.


Verlander is nasty....ODU product in the house from VA. Much appreciation.