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a Triple Crown winner considering its been such a long while since it last happened, he'll win the MVP by default. MLB won't make that same mistake again.

Won't even be close as much as you guys feel it should be.
 Thing is...people's perceptions of the triple crown have also changed during this time. It isnt the same as what it used to be to plenty of people in the media.

I expect it to be close, I think Trout wins it honestly

I'd like Miguel to win it personally
 
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a Triple Crown winner considering its been such a long while since it last happened, he'll win the MVP by default. MLB won't make that same mistake again.
Won't even be close as much as you guys feel it should be.

Thats would be my main argument - especially in the internet era. Was ESPN showing all of Cabrera's AB's yesterday?

Yes the AL Central is putrid. Yes I basically gave up on the Tigers 3x times this year. Yes their record is [tied] for the worst of any teams in the playoffs, but if you are going to play the "what if" game you have to take into account the fact that a team plays to win their division. These guys are checking the box scores, watching the other games in the club house. When the Tigers were sitting 3 games back for like a month there probably wasn't much of a sense of urgency. If they were 10 games back of the Rangers, then they *might* have expended more energy, played harder, got their head in the game defensively. Who knows. You've got to take the overall team record out of it. Goes along with the MVP being an individualized award (see Felix Hernandez Cy Young). How that translates to the media driven agenda for Cabrera vs. Trout is anyones guess.

Detroit should have easily won 97 games this season instead of 87. Massive let down and probably shouldn't even have made the playoffs in my book, but one thing you can't argue is that this team has WS potential. JV is due for some playoff heroics, the offense is there, and just need to get the bullpen to pull their head out of their @#$.
 
I'm not ok with Chen....he gives up a lot of HRs and doesn't get the double play balls. Even when he pitches well like the other night, he stumbles into a big inning and loses.

Must win game tonight, I like Tillman on the mound.

Someone had free tickets to the final Nationals game at work here and is trying to persuade me to catch the game.

This...

Hit the nail on the head, I will be nervous if I see Chen on the mound in any of these games. He always has that one or two innings when things get out of hand, to his credit tho usually when he is pitching we haven't put up many runs for him.

I'm cool with Chen. People seem to forget this "kid" (27 right?) is a rookie. He can throw in the mid 90s & has 6 legit pitches. He should only get better & playing in the post season will be great experience for him.
 
^ ish is wild. heard on the radio this morning, say the orioles and yankees finished tied, and go to the one game playoff, then the O's beat the yankees, theyll be the #1 seed in the AL (due to playing 1 extra game then everyone else) and have home field throughout.

I THINK this may be how it'll go down:

Yankees win & Rangers win - homefield advantage throughout the AL playoffs for Yanks, A's/O's playoff Friday, NYY @ A's/O's and Rangers @ Detroit
Yankees win & A's win - homefield advantage throughout the AL playoffs for Yanks, Rangers/O's playoff Friday, NYY @ Rangers/O's and A's @ Detroit
O's win & Rangers win - O's/NYY playoff @ O's on Thrusday for ALE/AL home field, the loser hosts the A's WC game Friday, winner of that hosts the AL East winner and Rangers @ Detroit
O's win & A's win - O's/NYY playoff @ O's on Thursday for ALE/AL home field, the loser hosts Texas for WC game Friday, winner of that hosts the AL East winner and A's @ Detroit

Don't quote me but I think that's how it would go down.
 
NVM :lol:

So here we sit, on the morning of the last day of the baseball season. And other than one game (Cardinals at Braves on Friday), we have no idea who is playing whom in any postseason series.

But it's not as complicated as it seems. Really. It all depends on what happens on the field Wednesday. So let's run through the various scenarios:

If the Yankees lose and the Orioles win
Then the AL East is tied (at 94-68), and the Yankees and Orioles have to play a tie-breaker game Thursday in Baltimore. The winner is the AL East champ. The loser is the wild-card team. But is it the "first" wild card or the "second" wild card? That depends on what happens in Oakland.

If the A's beat the Rangers
Then Oakland (94-68) wins the AL West, and Texas (93-69) is a wild-card team. But would the Rangers be the "first" wild card or the "second" wild card? That depends on what happens in the AL East:

•If the Yankees and Orioles both win Wednesday, the Orioles (94-68) would host the Rangers (93-69) in the wild-card game Friday. Why? Because a Baltimore win Wednesday would give the Orioles the better record.
•If the Orioles lose Wednesday and finish with the same record as Texas (93-69), the Rangers would host the wild-card game Friday because they won the season series from Baltimore.
•If the Rangers lose and there's a tie for the AL East (at 94-68), the AL East loser hosts the Rangers in the wild-card game because either would still have more wins (94) than Texas (93).
If the Rangers beat the A's
Then the Rangers (94-68) win the AL West, and Oakland (93-67) is a wild card. But is it the "first" wild card or "second" wild card? Again, that depends on developments in the AL East.

•If the Yankees and Orioles both win Wednesday, the Orioles would host the A's in the wild-card game because Baltimore would have one more regular-season win (94) than Oakland (93).
•If the Yankees lose, the Orioles win, there's a tie for the AL East and Oakland loses to Texas, the loser of the AL East tie-breaker game hosts the A's. Again, the reason: The AL East loser would still have more wins (94) than Oakland (93).
•If the Yankees, Orioles and A's all lose Wednesday, the Orioles and A's would finish with the same record (93-69). If that happens, the A's host the wild-card game Friday. Why? Because they won the season series.
Who's No. 1 in the AL?
If the Yankees win Wednesday:


Then this is simple. They're the No. 1 seed in the AL. So their first Division Series game is Sunday, at the winner of the wild-card game.

The AL West winner then would head for Detroit to start its Division Series on Saturday.

If there's a Yankees-Orioles tie:

Then this gets trickier. Then there's a three-way tie for the best record in the AL (Yankees, Orioles and AL West champ, all at 93-69).

Under that scenario, the AL East tie-breaker game would not be used to determine seeding, even though it is otherwise considered a regular-season game. So how would that seeding be sorted out? Here's the breakdown:

•Yankees win the AL East, Rangers win the AL West: Yankees are the No. 1 seed and play the wild-card winner. Rangers are the No. 2 seed and play at Detroit. Why? Yankees won the season series.
•Yankees win the AL East, A's win the AL West: A's are the No. 1 seed and play the wild-card survivor. Yankees are the No. 2 seed and face Detroit. Why? Yankees and A's split the season series, but A's had the better record in division games.
•Orioles win the AL East, Rangers win the AL West: Rangers are the No. 1 seed and draw the wild-card winner. Orioles are the No. 2 seed and play Detroit. Why? Rangers won the season series.
•Orioles win the AL East, A's win the AL West: A's are the No. 1 seed. Orioles are the No. 2 seed. Same LDS matchups. Why? Orioles won the season series.


If the Yankees and the Orioles both lose Wednesday


Then there's a tie for the best record between the Yankees and the AL West champ (at 93-69).

Under that scenario, the Yankees are the No. 1 seed if the Rangers win the West -- but the No. 2 seed if the A's win the West. Why? See the tie-breaker scenarios above.

Who's No. 1 in the NL?
The Reds and Nationals head into their games Wednesday with the same record (97-64). So …

If the Reds win and the Nationals lose
Then the Reds are the No. 1 seed and play Sunday at the home of the wild-card survivor. And the Nationals are the No. 2 seed and play Saturday in San Francisco.

•If the Nationals win and the Reds lose
Then the Nationals are the No. 1 seed and visit the wild-card winner Sunday. And the Reds are the No. 2 seed and start their Division Series on Saturday in San Francisco.

If the Nationals and Reds finish tied
Then the Nationals are the No. 1 seed. And the Reds are the No. 2 seed. (Same matchups as the Nationals win/Reds lose scenario above.) Why? Nationals won the season series.

It sounds insane. But it could have been worse, if Raul Ibanez hadn't hit that home run Tuesday to bring the Yankees back from the dead.

That would have created a nightmare scenario in which the Orioles, Yankees and the AL West loser could have finished in a three-way tie (at 93-69) -- forcing one of those teams to fly 2,500 miles, across three time zones, on Thursday night to play the wild-card game Friday. But the good news is, that's one crazy possibility that's now officially defunct. Phew.
 
Defense should play a major factor in MVP award however i don't know if the voters use it.

I remember when Andruw Jones came in 2nd to Albert Pujols in the MVP in 2005 Andruw had more HR and RBI his AVG was terrible but the defense he played was Gold Glove caliber and he did win the GG.

Trout's defense is superb this year but i dont know if the voters use it.

Mike Francesa said Miggy's bat overshadows Trout's defense said Miggy MVP
 
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Miggy's bat overshadows Trout's defense, okaaaaaaay, so then

What does Trout's offense do to Miggy's defense? What, is this close or something? :lol:



BTW, 30 homers-50 steals done TWICE, in HISTORY. As in, less than Triple Crown winners.

And to boot, he's .320, 130 runs, mid 80's rbi from the leadoff spot, gold glove defense, and he missed 20 games due to no fault of his own. This ain't a Soriano year where all he did was literally hit 30 homers and steal the 50 bases with nothing else added.
 
maybe Edwin Encarnacion goes yard 3 times tonight and that'll be that.

:lol:

SMH at me for not paying close attention to the happenings in the NL this year. Buster Posey with a great comeback year. 147 games is pretty impressive, how many were actually behind the plate?
 
Idk the number off the top of my head but Posey doesn't catch Zito or Lincecum, Hector Sanchez does. On those days buster moves to 1st and Belt gets a day off.
 
If it was Miggy v David Ortiz, two hitter types that bring little else to the table, ok, then we could crunch some numbers, Trout does WAY more than just swing a heavy bat in the 3 hole tho.

Ok you want to throw all the intangibles in, first of all there is no point in playing the "what if..." card. The Tigers play in the Central and the Angels play in the West, play the "if" card all you want. Tigers won their division.

LIke I said, make up a WAR trophy and give it to Trout, make up a "Runs from 1st to 3rd more efficiently than others" award and give it to Trout.

Want to throw an "if". How about the fact that Trout isn't even the leader of his team. Easier to play when you're not shouldering that burden. He's not even second banana on that squad.

Yes, Trout is having a bonanza of a statistical season, so is Miggy.

Miggy carried the Tigers.

There are valid reasons on both sides, just don't think Trout should get it over Miggy. Triple Crown plus Division crown, leader of his squad, should be the Most Valuable Player.

Those that over-analyze and are all about new metrics - Mike Trout
Those that that don't - Miggy

That is the way it's going to split. I like new metrics, but haven't completely discarded other factors. It isn't all in the numbers.

If the 2006 Cardinals where in any other division they wouldn't have made the playoffs... doesn't ******g matter because the 2006 Commissioner's trophy resides in St. Louis. Worst scenario for an argument is a "what if?" scenario.
 
LIke I said, make up a WAR trophy and give it to Trout, make up a "Runs from 1st to 3rd more efficiently than others" award and give it to Trout.

Want to throw an "if". How about the fact that Trout isn't even the leader of his team. Easier to play when you're not shouldering that burden. He's not even second banana on that squad.
Then make up a Derek Jeter Leadership Award and give it to Miggy. Trout is the better baseball player, plain and simple.
 
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Then make up a Derek Jeter Leadership Award and give it to Miggy. Trout is the better baseball player, plain and simple.

No way can the MVP go to a player who is on the leagues most disappointing team for the year.

No way Trout is a better player then Miguel at this point in time. Trout has had a very fine season but MANY players have put up fantastic single seasons lets see some consistency year in and year out like Cabrera has done for the past 10 years. I think he's averaging 315 30 and 115 over those years.
 
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Can't wait til Sunday, I'll be at the game after driving down from Connecticut :pimp: too hyped
 
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