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Dont hall of famers have a vote also?

They should AT LEAST let the majority vote of living hall of famers get ONE person into the hall.........which could be anybody of their choosing.......THEN have everybody else that didnt play the game elect someone in.......
 
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Im happy the steroid users didnt get in :pimp:
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Why? There's cheaters all throughout the history of baseball and in the Hall. The sport has been filled with players who were lousy people and did illegal things. You'd have an empty HOF if you started kicking those guys out, why start barring them now? Some moral standard?
 
I miss Khalil Greene like a brother. I can say, with confidence, that he was one of my favorite players ever.
 
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Nope HOFers don't get a vote in the initial voting (first 15 years a player is on the ballot). Just the "writers" do and be confident in that as three current voters are from GolfersWest.com and have not covered baseball for years.

I believe HOFers are part of the Veterans Commitee though which handles voting of older eras.
 
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ii FLaSh ii said:
Im happy the steroid users didnt get in :pimp:
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Why? There's cheaters all throughout the history of baseball and in the Hall. The sport has been filled with players who were lousy people and did illegal things. You'd have an empty HOF if you started kicking those guys out, why start barring them now? Some moral standard?
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Cosign completely. Now all of a sudden the voters are going to take some moral high ground? Its absurd.
 
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JumpmanFromDaBay said:
Hall of Famers should be the ones decides who gets in instead of these idiots who never played te game. :x
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A lot of them are dumb as bricks, though. Many would struggle to articulate why particular persons belong in the Hall of Fame beyond 'intangibles,' 'leadership,' 'clutchness.' I hate watching most athletes-turned-commentators for that reason.
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my point is Pete Rose and Barry Bonds should be in the hall of fame. It's about ther numbers
 
They got their numbers due to performance enhancing drugs... Who knows where they would've been if they never used them... I know there probably were more cheaters that didnt get caught but how would it feel to the people who made it to the HOF clean... Now you got people who played dirty that had to cheat to achieve their stats right next to them
 
JumpmanFromDaBay said:
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
JumpmanFromDaBay said:
Hall of Famers should be the ones decides who gets in instead of these idiots who never played te game. :x
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A lot of them are dumb as bricks, though. Many would struggle to articulate why particular persons belong in the Hall of Fame beyond 'intangibles,' 'leadership,' 'clutchness.' I hate watching most athletes-turned-commentators for that reason.
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my point is Pete Rose and Barry Bonds should be in the hall of fame. It's about ther numbers
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Sure, but I think the larger problem is the systematic bias against sabermetrics and the belief that the writers have that they are the moral compass of the Hall of Fame. A baseball museum needs to honor its greatest players, and let historians and the people decide their fate in the public eye. Unless the voting system is changed or we wait until the old timers pass, there are going to be many, many players who are deserving who will never be honored.
 
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I don't care about the Hall of Fame in any sport, and never have. I do have a strong disdain for the BBWAA, but either way, what happened today doesn't really matter to me.

That being said...

They got their numbers due to performance enhancing drugs... Who knows where they would've been if they never used them...
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Do you know how many documented "cheaters" were awful baseball players? More than that were great. It isn't magic. You don't wake up one day after using and become one of the best athletes in a sport's history.
 
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biggio and bagwell deserve their places, and i think pizza will get in sometime as well. 

2014 class for the hall will be so 
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Greg Maddux 
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 (favorite pitcher ever, wish he'd go in as a Cub but i know, had his success with ATL..still remember the day i got his autograph)

Frank Thomas 
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ii FLaSh ii said:
They got their numbers due to performance enhancing drugs... Who knows where they would've been if they never used them... I know there probably were more cheaters that didnt get caught but how would it feel to the people who made it to the HOF clean... Now you got people who played dirty that had to cheat to achieve their stats right next to them
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PEDs don't make you a good player. I can name tons of players use used PEDs and were still terrible.
 
:smh: at wanting Maddox to go in as a cub....thinking about a road trip to dc this summer to check out a nats game...a day Gio is pitching :pimp:
 
I'd like to see writers loose the ability to vote HOFers in (in all sports) or at least only have a small vote. Voting should be done by a cadre of HOFers. I've met a lot of sports writers in my time locally & nationally syndicated sports writers/columnists & everyone except 3-4 were the biggest jerks that were so full of themselves...
 
I always wondered why MLB & NFL teams still used corded phones...Interesting article from CNN Money...


http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/09/technology/mobile/tmobile-bullpen-phones/index.html


Baseball's 'call to the bullpen' goes wireless
By David Goldman @CNNMoneyTech January 9, 2013: 3:01 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
Major League Baseball, a sport that loves clinging to outdated traditions, is about to embrace modern technology for one of its most frequently used tools -- at least for teams with lousy pitching.

The landline phones that managers pick up to summon relief pitchers will be replaced this year with cell phones. In a partnership with T-Mobile, MLB said it would install specialized wireless calling systems in "select Major League dugouts." It hasn't announced yet which stadiums will get the technology.

The smartphones will sit in docks in both the home and visitors' dugouts, as well as the home and away bullpens. When a manager lifts the smartphone from the dock, it will automatically ring bullpen phone. With a swipe, the bullpen coach can answer the call.

Coaches can also walk around with the phones in their pockets, if they prefer. But Major League Baseball will be "geofencing" the technology, which means that the phones can only be used in the dugout or in the bullpen. Outside those areas, the cell phones will automatically go into a locked mode so no calls can be made. That means managers can't make calls to the bullpen from the clubhouse if they've been thrown out of a game (hear that, Bobby Cox?).

Other safeguards will also be put in place. A special, dedicated cell tower will be installed that only the dugout and bullpen phones can use, so fans won't be able to ring the bullpen after the manager refuses to take out a clearly gassed starting pitcher (Grady Little, we're looking at you).

The dedicated cell phone tower has a second purpose: Placing a call or sending a text in a baseball stadium is just about impossible when the park is full. Put tens of thousands of people into a venue, all trying to connect to one single wireless cell site or a small handful of them, and the infrastructure quickly gets overwhelmed. A separate wireless system just for bullpen calls makes it more likely that the calls will go through.
T-Mobile pledged to improve its network's performance inside stadiums. It also plans to partner with MLB to create custom baseball apps exclusively for T-Mobile customers. The National Football League has a similar deal with Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500), whose customers have exclusive access to NFL game film and audio on their devices.

The wireless bullpen phone system will first be tested during the World Baseball Classic in March by USA manager Joe Torre and his staff. Assuming the technology runs smoothly, it will be implemented for major league game use in April.
Major League Baseball said the bullpen phones will be only the "first use of this technology." It promised bigger and bolder things ahead.

Maybe next year, Yankees manager Joe Girardi will be able to text "Mo" to the bullpen to summon Mariano Rivera.
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The point is that no one knows or can pinpoint the exact effect of steroids. It's an unknown thing. You can sit here and say that it makes ****** players good or it makes good players great. But if you're using a sample size of 3-5 players when the whole number is in the hundreds, then how accurate is your assumption? No one truly knows how much of a players' stats and performance you can take out because they used PED's. Pete Rose is a whole other subject, you can't compare these guys. The **** these guys did in the 90s wasn't even breaking the rules back then. So what, now you want to take the moral high road and kill these guys? How many of these fools of fans are trying to get Hank Aaron out of the Hall? How about Eddie Murray? Orlando Cepeda? Kirby? Anson, Speaker and Cobb?
 
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:smh: at wanting Maddox to go in as a cub....thinking about a road trip to dc this summer to check out a nats game...a day Gio is pitching :pimp:
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Not a bad seat in the house at Nats Park, I'd try to go on a Friday night because the atmosphere is usually better on those nights.

Nats payroll is projected to be at least at $100 mil for the first time in franchise history :pimp:
 
Damn. Mariners were about to give the D'Backs a choice of the big 3 for Upton. Rejected. |I

I don't get why he didn't want to come here. He would've been an instant fan favorite.
 
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