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10 jacks but only 14 rbis?

If BJ Upton and Heyward could actually get on base, he'd be pushing mid-20's RBI right now. Those two have been TRASH.
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heyward out with an appendectomy. the braves are desperately searching for hitters at the top of the lineup to hit in front of gattis and upton.
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10 jacks but only 14 rbis?

If BJ Upton and Heyward could actually get on base, he'd be pushing mid-20's RBI right now. Those two have been TRASH.

yep...it aint Justin fault those two have been trash

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Do work son, check out fangraphs.com. They should have everything you need.
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Corky Miller is back in the bigs for the first time in a couple years and is starting for the Reds tonight.
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10 jacks but only 14 rbis?

If BJ Upton and Heyward could actually get on base, he'd be pushing mid-20's RBI right now. Those two have been TRASH.

yep...it aint Justin fault those two have been trash

 

Justin's batting average with runners on base is a whopping .154....he definitely should take his fair share of blame for his lack of RBIs.  Just saying.

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how many plate appearances is that? just curious
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10 jacks but only 14 rbis?


If BJ Upton and Heyward could actually get on base, he'd be pushing mid-20's RBI right now. Those two have been TRASH.
yep...it aint Justin fault those two have been trash

Like I said before, it's going to take time for BJ to adjust to NL pitching .. as far as Heyward goes, not sure what his issue is, I figured this would be a big year from him but he's known to be a slow starter. For now, expect Justin and Freeman (if he's 100%) to carry the offensive load until everyone else gets in a groove.

Another homer by Gattis too smokin.gifsmokin.gif
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is there something you see in BJ upton that leads you to believe that, or is that what you're hoping happens?
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is there something you see in BJ upton that leads you to believe that, or is that what you're hoping happens?

As a Braves fan, I'm giving him a first year pass this season laugh.gif

On a serious note, what I noticed is he's trying to live up to that contract already. He's over swinging and chasing bad balls. With Justin on a tear, I'm pretty sure BJ is going extra hard to match that. Once he calms down and settles in with the NL pitching, I think he will do some damage in that lineup. That may not happen until June-July though.
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Originally Posted by do work son View Post

how many plate appearances is that? just curious

 

30 plate appearances with runners on.  4 hits.  11 strikeouts. 

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is there something you see in BJ upton that leads you to believe that, or is that what you're hoping happens?

As a Braves fan, I'm giving him a first year pass this season laugh.gif

On a serious note, what I noticed is he's trying to live up to that contract already. He's over swinging and chasing bad balls. With Justin on a tear, I'm pretty sure BJ is going extra hard to match that. Once he calms down and settles in with the NL pitching, I think he will do some damage in that lineup. That may not happen until June-July though.

doing a little independent research, here's what i've found.

bj upton swings at less pitches out of the zone than the major league average, and swings at more pitches in the zone than the major league average.

the major league average for contact on pitches thrown out of the zone is 65%. BJ Upton's percentage of contact on pitches out of the zone is 57%.
the major league average for contact on pitches thrown inside the zone is 86.4%. BJ Upton's respective percentage is 78.

lastly, he has a greater % of swinging strikes than the ML average.

obviously it's early, but those numbers don't sit too well. maybe the problem is his swing

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how many plate appearances is that? just curious

30 plate appearances with runners on.  4 hits.  11 strikeouts. 

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I think some people have unrealistic expectations of BJ Upton...he's really an average player and was overpaid. He's a career .253 hitter and has only ever had one season at .300 and only one with an .OPS over .800...and that was when he was 22. Hes 28 now and his numbers have been declining over time. Last yr he was bad too...Justin on the other hand is a monster and is only gonna get better smh

As a phillies fan, I'm hoping BJ continues his futility in the heart of that lineup laugh.gif
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I think some people have unrealistic expectations of BJ Upton...he's really an average player and was overpaid. He's a career .253 hitter and has only ever had one season at .300 and only one with an .OPS over .800...and that was when he was 22. Hes 28 now and his numbers have been declining over time. Last yr he was bad too...Justin on the other hand is a monster and is only gonna get better smh

As a phillies fan, I'm hoping BJ continues his futility in the heart of that lineup laugh.gif

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BJ will never be another player. I'd like to think Heyward will be better after the appendectomy.

And this Justin Upton discussion just proves that RBI's should be obliterated as a stat.
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BJ will never be another player. I'd like to think Heyward will be better after the appendectomy.

And this Justin Upton discussion just proves that RBI's should be obliterated as a stat.
Because he's 4/30 with 11 strikeouts with runners on the stat should be obliterated?
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Justin Upton is straight balling
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BJ will never be another player. I'd like to think Heyward will be better after the appendectomy.

And this Justin Upton discussion just proves that RBI's should be obliterated as a stat.
Because he's 4/30 with 11 strikeouts with runners on the stat should be obliterated?

Reading is fundamental. He said get rid of RBIs and you cited his average with runners on base. See the flaw?
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I should have kept my mouth shut laugh.gif

Well it's a very good example of why it should be, proves wasn't the right word. RBI's are an extremely meaningless stat. It doesn't prove anything about a player. Neither does batting average for that matter.
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Reading is fundamental. He said get rid of RBIs and you cited his average with runners on base. See the flaw?
I read it. Am I mistaken or if Justin Upton had come through more times with runners on not only would his average be higher, but he'd probably have driven in more runs right? Maybe I just don't get it though laugh.gif
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I should have kept my mouth shut laugh.gif

Well it's a very good example of why it should be, proves wasn't the right word. RBI's are an extremely meaningless stat. It doesn't prove anything about a player. Neither does batting average for that matter.

I actually agree with you about RBI and how it's pretty meaningless...it can tell you a little but about how "productive" a player is I guess but even then you kind of get put into situations and luck and other players around you play a role in that...BA has value but it also needs other numbers to have context and can't be the only thing you look at, a guy with a 300 avg hitting singles around the field can have a hollow avg if they don't walk or get many xbh...ERA for pitchers is also a flawed stat too laugh.gif
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Reading is fundamental. He said get rid of RBIs and you cited his average with runners on base. See the flaw?
I read it. Am I mistaken or if Justin Upton had come through more times with runners on not only would his average be higher, but he'd probably have driven in more runs right? Maybe I just don't get it though laugh.gif

Mike napoli has 25 RBIs, Justin Upton has 14.

Justin Upton is 60 points better in OBP and is slugging 200 points better. RBIs are misleading, aren't they?
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is there something you see in BJ upton that leads you to believe that, or is that what you're hoping happens?

As a Braves fan, I'm giving him a first year pass this season laugh.gif

On a serious note, what I noticed is he's trying to live up to that contract already. He's over swinging and chasing bad balls. With Justin on a tear, I'm pretty sure BJ is going extra hard to match that. Once he calms down and settles in with the NL pitching, I think he will do some damage in that lineup. That may not happen until June-July though.

doing a little independent research, here's what i've found.

bj upton swings at less pitches out of the zone than the major league average, and swings at more pitches in the zone than the major league average.

the major league average for contact on pitches thrown out of the zone is 65%. BJ Upton's percentage of contact on pitches out of the zone is 57%.
the major league average for contact on pitches thrown inside the zone is 86.4%. BJ Upton's respective percentage is 78.

lastly, he has a greater % of swinging strikes than the ML average.

obviously it's early, but those numbers don't sit too well. maybe the problem is his swing

I agree with all the info you provided above. Is that for his career or just his first 19 games this season?

My expectations of BJ aren't that high. Upgrade over Bourn? too early to tell. As mentioned he's average and we definitely overpaid him but we missed out on a few big name bats over the years. since we lost Teixeira, our front office refused to spend big money on a bat. In order to land BJ we had to pay a premium so I see why that happened. If the Justin Upton trade came first , BJ would've came at a MUCH cheaper price IMO
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The stats I posted were for this season so far, small sample size I know. He's an average to below average player for his career. Coco crisp is better than he is laugh.gif
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People are still using OBP and Slugging % as a way of evaluating players? laugh.gif

Are we in 1965?
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Coco has always been underrated laugh.gif
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Dont know where to post this but John Elway could of been/was a Yankee eek.gifsmokin.gif
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The Braves are playing at Rockies and is 23 degrees for game 1 and All Braves pitchers were in jerseys only no long sleeves. Ouch. Game 2 should be even colder they still have snow on field.

Gattis has monster power like Giancarlo. Bj sucks so far he strikes out too much , Heyward can't hit anything just a slump, Uggla continues torrid start always hits 200

Glad that Avilan came back he's automatic add is Eric O our pen is great.
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People are still using OBP and Slugging % as a way of evaluating players? laugh.gif

Are we in 1965?

Wait huh? laugh.gif do you mean still using batting avg. and RBI to evaluate people? Cuz OBP came about in 1984...and both of those are better gauges than batting avg.
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People are still using OBP and Slugging % as a way of evaluating players? laugh.gif

Are we in 1965?

 

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