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Oh, that's definitely true. Having BART at the Coliseum is a godsend. I guess I was thinking more of the experience inside the stadium during games and the immediate surrounding environment.
 
Unless I actually see what the criteria to move is or see some real progress, I won't get excited. I'm sick of hearing about "updates" that lead to nothing.
 
bbllplaya23 said:
Unless I actually see what the criteria to move is or see some real progress, I won't get excited. I'm sick of hearing about "updates" that lead to nothing.
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It's very likely we won't get San Jose until after 2018. At that point the debt the Giants have due to AT&T Park is settled, and whatever compensation is paid to them by the A's becomes that much smaller because of it.
 
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First, the Giants have already backed off to a degree concerning how they've defended the Santa Clara territory. Before, there was absolutely ZERO language suggesting that the Giants would give up Santa Clara. Now, Larry Baer says that he agrees that the A's need a stadium and he hopes they get one, far from how he used to discuss the issue. The writing is on the wall. And how does it make sense that the Giants have access to BOTH of the major corporate cities in the area and the A's are left to languish? How is that beneficial for Major League Baseball? MLB doesn't revolve around the Giants whims, as you know.

Secondly, owners have already spoken out on the A's behalf on the need to move. White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf did so last year, directly stating that the A's need to move to San Jose. And Reinsdorf isn't just some schmuck owner, either: he's one of the most influential in baseball, having owned the White Sox for over thirty years and oversaw the committee which moved the Expos to DC. Him speaking on the issue says volumes on how owners view the situation.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19493558

Coming from a Kings fan, I'm a little amused at how simply it comes to you to say that the Giants require San Jose's corporate money. It's that arrogance that makes me smile when I think about you Giants/Kings fans who are going to lose the Kings to Seattle.
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I never said the Giants require the corporate dollars from the Santa Clara/San Jose area. What I'm getting at is that it would be foolish of them to just give it away.

Also, what do the Kings have to do with this? Very little. You're an A's fan that wants your team to move. I'm a Kings fan that DOESN'T want my team to move. There's no stadium plan in place in Oakland because your owner doesn't want it there, and even if he did he burned bridges with the city to even get city officials to come to the negotiating table. There is an arena plan in place in Sacramento, but the idiot owners wanted to pay near nothing for it, have it almost completely publicly funded but reap 100% of the revenue. Completely different situations.
 
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Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
First, the Giants have already backed off to a degree concerning how they've defended the Santa Clara territory. Before, there was absolutely ZERO language suggesting that the Giants would give up Santa Clara. Now, Larry Baer says that he agrees that the A's need a stadium and he hopes they get one, far from how he used to discuss the issue. The writing is on the wall. And how does it make sense that the Giants have access to BOTH of the major corporate cities in the area and the A's are left to languish? How is that beneficial for Major League Baseball? MLB doesn't revolve around the Giants whims, as you know.

Secondly, owners have already spoken out on the A's behalf on the need to move. White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf did so last year, directly stating that the A's need to move to San Jose. And Reinsdorf isn't just some schmuck owner, either: he's one of the most influential in baseball, having owned the White Sox for over thirty years and oversaw the committee which moved the Expos to DC. Him speaking on the issue says volumes on how owners view the situation.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19493558

Coming from a Kings fan, I'm a little amused at how simply it comes to you to say that the Giants require San Jose's corporate money. It's that arrogance that makes me smile when I think about you Giants/Kings fans who are going to lose the Kings to Seattle.
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I never said the Giants require the corporate dollars from the Santa Clara/San Jose area. What I'm getting at is that it would be foolish of them to just give it away.

Also, what do the Kings have to do with this? Very little. You're an A's fan that wants your team to move. I'm a Kings fan that DOESN'T want my team to move. There's no stadium plan in place in Oakland because your owner doesn't want it there, and even if he did he burned bridges with the city to even get city officials to come to the negotiating table. There is an arena plan in place in Sacramento, but the idiot owners wanted to pay near nothing for it, have it almost completely publicly funded but reap 100% of the revenue. Completely different situations.
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You either know nothing about the relationship between the A's and the City of Oakland or are deliberately painting a false picture if you're suggesting that it was the A's owners who were first in irreparably harming relations. The City has NEVER given the A's the kind of support they have deserved, going back to the Walter Haas ownership. An Oakland City Hall which has historically done nothing to help make the A's feel welcome in the City remains at its worst in terms of service under the Quan regime, and continue to pay lip service to helping the A's find a home in Oakland. Oakland is so inept that it was forced to issue an apology to Lew Wolff about never receiving a letter from the A's minority owner because it was "backed up" with mail from the holiday.

http://newballpark.org/2013/02/20/save-oakland-sports-meeting-with-santana-blackwell/

San Jose is the future, and this A's ownership group refuses to play ball with Oakland, so now it's being painted by Oakland officials that the A's are turning their back on Oakland. As much as I wish the A's could stay in Oakland with an awesome waterfront park in Jack London Square, I also don't want the team to deal with a pathetic City Hall that will bend over backwards to keep the only team it cares about in town, the Raiders.

And who is asking the Giants to give up Santa Clara for free? They will be compensated, just not to the degree that many are expecting, since the A's and MLB are aiming to move to San Jose after AT&T Park's debt is settled. But nevermind that the A's gave up Santa Clara for free, I won't bother going into detail again of Haas' part in helping the Giants stay in the Bay Area.
 
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
But nevermind that the A's gave up Santa Clara for free, I won't bother going into detail again of Haas' part in helping the Giants stay in the Bay Area.
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Biggest reason I hate the Giants and that douchebag Mike Krukow. Dude is on them Sean Elliot homerism levels. Most Giants' fans I know are aware of how shady the Giants ownership group has been towards the A's proposed move to San Jose and feel bad for us but their more concerned about their team's play as I would be too if roles were reversed. Cant blame Giants' fans for that.
 
Thought I was in the NorCal forum. Nobody gives a **** about that situation; let's talk baseball.


Will any of the games be televised tomorrow?
 
I always laugh when so some says they are a too much of a homer on the LOCAL BROADCAST. Pay me to broadcast game I would be a bias too.
 
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
You either know nothing about the relationship between the A's and the City of Oakland or are deliberately painting a false picture if you're suggesting that it was the A's owners who were first in irreparably harming relations. The City has NEVER given the A's the kind of support they have deserved, going back to the Walter Haas ownership. An Oakland City Hall which has historically done nothing to help make the A's feel welcome in the City remains at its worst in terms of service under the Quan regime, and continue to pay lip service to helping the A's find a home in Oakland. Oakland is so inept that it was forced to issue an apology to Lew Wolff about never receiving a letter from the A's minority owner because it was "backed up" with mail from the holiday.

http://newballpark.org/2013/02/20/save-oakland-sports-meeting-with-santana-blackwell/

San Jose is the future, and this A's ownership group refuses to play ball with Oakland, so now it's being painted by Oakland officials that the A's are turning their back on Oakland. As much as I wish the A's could stay in Oakland with an awesome waterfront park in Jack London Square, I also don't want the team to deal with a pathetic City Hall that will bend over backwards to keep the only team it cares about in town, the Raiders.

And who is asking the Giants to give up Santa Clara for free? They will be compensated, just not to the degree that many are expecting, since the A's and MLB are aiming to move to San Jose after AT&T Park's debt is settled. But nevermind that the A's gave up Santa Clara for free, I won't bother going into detail again of Haas' part in helping the Giants stay in the Bay Area.
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If anybody is painting false pictures, it's you. Oakland city officials aren't the problem, it's your ownership and their alienation of the fanbase. Putting up tarp to suppress fan attendance while raising prices won't gain you popularity. And it makes you question what the true intentions are, which we already know is to move to San Jose. And Wolff isn't the first to alienate the fans, he's just becoming the biggest antagonist as time goes on. Face it, poor ownership is the reason the A's are in the spot they're in and it starts with Steve Schott.

Schott disses players

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Schott-hits-A-s-players-hard-3126779.php

In '96 Schott traded Rickey Henderson, Dennis Eckersley, and lets Tony LaRussa go because he wanted to shed salary

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/A-s-Must-Lick-Credibility-Problem-2992806.php

Same year, Co-Owner Ken Hofmann openly threatens to leave Oakland

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Leaving-Area-Not-a-Logical-Move-for-A-s-2981001.php

Schott trades McGwire after Big Mac openly criticizes ownership

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/THE-BIG-DEALS-THE-A-S-McGwire-finally-traded-2831502.php

Here's a direct quote from Big Mac in that article:

"I would say it's going to be pretty interesting the next couple of years to see what the new owners are going to do," McGwire said. "The fans will come if you win."
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Here's a brilliant one! 1998 A's ownership sues Oakland-Alameda County. Their claim was that renovations by the Raiders to the stadium was the cause for poor attendance! Really?!

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matie...nd-48-Million-From-County-Stadium-3015450.php

March 1998 South Bay developer Lew Wolff states his intent to get a team in San Jose.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Developer-San-Jose-Is-Big-League-Option-for-A-s-3010267.php

March 2001 Schott attends Santa Clara County council meeting

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-on-Offensive-to-Keep-A-s-Team-2939768.php

July 2001 Jason Giambi wanted to give the A's a hometown discount but it was Schott who nixed the deal. It wasn't the money that was the dealbreaker, Giambi wanted a no-trade clause.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/A-S-NOTEBOOK-Schott-firmly-against-no-trade-2898354.php

August 2001 ownership shocks fans and city officials by announcing a sale of the team is on the verge to Hollywood producers with Las Vegas ties

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matie...hant-faces-500-fine-from-city-for-3325976.php

Weeks later, Santa Clara breaks off talks because they're angered by the news of the sale

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Santa-Clara-won-t-pursue-A-s-stadium-talks-2884338.php

March 2002 Oakland City Council holds a meeting and presents a plan to build a new stadium for the A's. NOT A SINGLE MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION ATTENDED THE MEETING!

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/New-ballpark-remains-crucial-for-A-s-2864547.php

2005 Wolff officially takes over and lays out a scenario to get the team to move to San Jose, where he said he'd want to years ago.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-s-fans-hope-new-owners-won-t-skip-town-Head-2719186.php

Wolff decides to tarp the 3rd deck . A more baseball intimate atmosphere?

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/A-s-park-dressed-down-decked-out-2556013.php

April 2006 Wolff says Oakland is "too built up." Plans to move to Fremont.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Fremont-A-s-Las-Vegas-A-s-Omaha-A-s-2538116.php

March 2009 Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums asks Bud Selig to work with him to build a new ballpark for the A's. Oakland's voice falls on deaf ears.

http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/A-s-ownership-giving-Oakland-the-cold-shoulder-3168012.php

Same month Wolff again announces plan to move to San Jose

http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/A-s-owner-prefers-to-relocate-team-to-San-Jose-3167212.php





Yet I'm the one lacking knowledge about Oakland and their "non-support" of the A's? :lol:
Seems as though you're mistaken. Mistaken and delusional with your support of Wolff.

Leave it to Rickey Henderson to best summarize the whole situation. In the same 1998 article that contains the above Wolff quote, Rickey all but shakes his head at how Schott was running the A's at the time. Rickey said: "Oakland can support a big-league team … The Haas family put more into the community. That's why they had the support of the community."
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I'm going to spare the MLB thread from this argument and continue this argument through direct messaging. I'll have a response to everything you wrote later today and we can discuss it that way.

But let me just say in here that quoting players about fan support is a joke. You cited Jason Giambi wanting to help Oakland, but omitted his infamous remarks on the Letterman Show dissing Oakland. Good one.

And you use Rickey Henderson as evidence. Rickey, who grew up in Oakland, played his formative years in Oakland and certainly has a bias towards the City he played his best years for, used to shout at himself naked in the mirror, while holding a bat in a batting stance that, "Rickey's the best!"

These are the players who are in part buoying your argument? Come on. What the hell else are players going to say in a community they are currently playing for? You're looking to professional ballplayers to judge where a team is best served playing with respect to fan support and financial stability? Bull****.
 
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erupt107th said:
Thought I was in the NorCal forum. Nobody gives a **** about that situation; let's talk baseball.


Will any of the games be televised tomorrow?
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I dont have a problem with having a good debate, especially considering its a fairly hot topic within baseball. But I understand. You as an Angels fan are feeling left out.

You'd rather talk about whether or not a first week Spring Training game is going to be televised. LOL. Hop off.
 
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
mr jordan04 said:
Nobody cares about the A's. That's the westcoast Rays
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dland24 said:
I dont have a problem with having a good debate, especially considering its a fairly hot topic within baseball. But I understand. You as an Angels fan are feeling left out.

You'd rather talk about whether or not a first week Spring Training game is going to be televised. LOL. Hop off.
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I'd rather talk about the carribean league than read a back and forth about where the **** the A's might move to. Nobody else in this thread besides you guys cares.

Now go take your catfight to the A's or Giants thread.
 
Don't see the big deal with letting the A's move to San Jose. The relationship between the A's organization and the city of Oakland is strained, and who wants to play in Oakland?

Giants are the only team with "territorial rights", I think their brand will help them keep the sponsors they feel they will lose.

Let the A's thrive, if it's San Jose they want, let them have them.
 
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