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Perfect scumbag fit there.
2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions
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Damn I'm hurt... I'll miss you McCann!
Sounds like Peralta is close to St. Louis.
I like the deal. Don't think he finishes at C though.
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any truth to the Cano-Tigers rumor?
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God luck to Mac hes gonna be missed
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Guess the Cards didn't want to trade anyone for a shortstop, huh?
Seems like kind of a strange fit. And makes me like them less.
Seems like kind of a strange fit. And makes me like them less.
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any truth to the Cano-Tigers rumor?
Might be.
Kev, Profar-Tavares was thrown out...I guess they want Jay to man a corner until he's ready or can show he's healthy.
You know how it is, teams value their prospects so highly and think other teams' top prospects aren't worth jack
Brian McCann fills Yankees' biggest void.
The New York Yankees' move to sign Brian McCann to a five-year, $85 million contract might be the easiest, best upgrade any contender could make this offseason. They played a variety of offensive ciphers at the position in 2013, getting just 0.9 WAR (per FanGraphs) in total from the four players who took at bats for them as catchers, although Chris Stewart, their primary receiver, added significant value as one of the best pitch-framing catchers in baseball.
McCann is an above-average framer as well, so what the Yanks lost on defense here will be more than covered by the boost in McCann's offense, especially if the left-handed pull hitter takes advantage of Yankee Stadium's hilariously short right-field porch. Sixteen of his twenty homers in 2013 were to dead right field, as were fifteen of his twenty bombs in 2012.
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McCann is an obvious upgrade for the Yankees behind the plate.
McCann has a patient approach and solid recognition of off-speed stuff, and has good hip rotation for power, hitting 20 to 24 homers in each of the past six seasons. Behind the plate, he's a terrible throwing catcher, but among the better framing catchers in the majors, delivering a lot of extra value to his teams that current defensive metrics don't adequately capture, in McCann's case possibly adding a win a year of value.
Five years is insanely long for a catcher -- and there is a vesting option for a sixth year -- but $17 million for him seems like a great deal for the Yankees, who are at the point on the win curve where the marginal value of two to three added wins is extremely high. There is reportedly a full no-trade clause could come back to bite the Yankees, but it seems far more likely that McCann ends the deal as a first base/DH type who's still somewhat productive than it is that he ends up so bad the Yanks have to ship him out. Other than the innate injury risk of the position, this looks like one of the most sensible deals we'll see this offseason.
Prospect impact
The Yankees have two catching prospects in the upper levels of their system who could become trade bait or candidates for a position switch. The more famous one is Gary Sanchez, to whom the Yanks gave a $3 million signing bonus in 2009, and whose bat is way ahead of his glove at this point, although there are holes in several parts of his game and he doesn't seem likely to be ready for any significant major league role until 2016.
The bat could be elite; he has very strong hands and great hip rotation, with plus-plus raw power to his pull side and doubles power the other way. His approach needs work, as does his blocking and receiving, although he dose have a 70-grade arm and nailed 44 percent of opposing runners this year. If the bat develops as expected, he'll profile at any position, including first base or DH if the catching thing doesn't work out -- although he's a potential MVP candidate if he stays behind the plate as well. The Yankees could use him as trade bait now if they don't believe in his future hitting potential, or if his history of attitude questions has them doubting his commitment to improving his defense.
The other prospect is J.R. Murphy, who got a cup of coffee in September for the team but would have likely spent 2014 at Triple-A even without a McCann signing; he'll turn 23 in May and has developed into a potential everyday catcher with solid catch-and-throw skills, with on-base and power skills that both project now as solid-average.
While he could become trade bait, another scenario has him serving as McCann's backup in 2015 and 2016, gradually taking over catching duties if McCann transitions to first base as he gets into this 30s. I'd probably look to trade him rather than bank on so many variables in that long-term plan, but I don't think it's unrealistic if they choose to go that way.
Atlanta, McCann's former team, gets a compensatory draft pick for losing him, and will apparently roll with Evan Gattis as the team's primary catcher in 2014, even though the slugger doesn't hit right-handed pitching at all (a .284 OBP on the year, and still dropping as the season ended) and doesn't seem durable enough for the everyday job.
The team does have one of the best defensive catching prospects in the game in Christian Bethancourt, a Panamanian backstop with an incredible arm and plus hands but awful plate discipline. He did hit .300/.338/.512 in the second half of 2013 while repeating Double-A, getting his plus raw power into the game because he made so much more contact, striking out in less than 11 percent of his plate appearances. I'd rather see him get the bulk of the playing time in the majors, knowing his defense alone will be worth over a win, maybe close to two wins, and let Gattis resume the bench role where he backs up Bethancourt and plays some left field.
Market impact
McCann's signing leaves very little catching on the market, with Jarrod Saltalamacchia the only one worthy of a multi-year deal, after whom suitors are looking at guys like Dioner Navarro and A.J. Pierzynski. The two reported bidders on McCann who lost out, Boston and Texas, both have high-end catching prospects racing to the majors and may have been unwilling to commit to a deal of this length with a no-trade clause, given what they have in their systems.
The Red Sox have defensive wizard Christian Vazquez heading to Triple-A this year, and former first-rounder Blake Swihart, a good defender with bigger offensive upside, heading for Double-A, so they can probably do just fine with David Ross and a partner like a Navarro.
Texas could do a lot worse than give Geovany Soto everyday duty for a year and see how Jorge Alfaro, a Colombian-born rifleman with 70-grade raw power and plate discipline just slightly better than Bethancourt's, handles high Class A in 2013.
The Rockies may have made a late push for McCann, which makes a ton of sense -- in that ballpark, he'd challenge for an MVP award, and they need a better defender to let them slide Wilin Rosario to a position he can handle. Their options are limited, due to their budget, and I think it's more likely they try to fill the spot via trade.
McCann is an above-average framer as well, so what the Yanks lost on defense here will be more than covered by the boost in McCann's offense, especially if the left-handed pull hitter takes advantage of Yankee Stadium's hilariously short right-field porch. Sixteen of his twenty homers in 2013 were to dead right field, as were fifteen of his twenty bombs in 2012.
[+] EnlargeBrian McCann
AP Photo/John Bazemore
McCann is an obvious upgrade for the Yankees behind the plate.
McCann has a patient approach and solid recognition of off-speed stuff, and has good hip rotation for power, hitting 20 to 24 homers in each of the past six seasons. Behind the plate, he's a terrible throwing catcher, but among the better framing catchers in the majors, delivering a lot of extra value to his teams that current defensive metrics don't adequately capture, in McCann's case possibly adding a win a year of value.
Five years is insanely long for a catcher -- and there is a vesting option for a sixth year -- but $17 million for him seems like a great deal for the Yankees, who are at the point on the win curve where the marginal value of two to three added wins is extremely high. There is reportedly a full no-trade clause could come back to bite the Yankees, but it seems far more likely that McCann ends the deal as a first base/DH type who's still somewhat productive than it is that he ends up so bad the Yanks have to ship him out. Other than the innate injury risk of the position, this looks like one of the most sensible deals we'll see this offseason.
Prospect impact
The Yankees have two catching prospects in the upper levels of their system who could become trade bait or candidates for a position switch. The more famous one is Gary Sanchez, to whom the Yanks gave a $3 million signing bonus in 2009, and whose bat is way ahead of his glove at this point, although there are holes in several parts of his game and he doesn't seem likely to be ready for any significant major league role until 2016.
The bat could be elite; he has very strong hands and great hip rotation, with plus-plus raw power to his pull side and doubles power the other way. His approach needs work, as does his blocking and receiving, although he dose have a 70-grade arm and nailed 44 percent of opposing runners this year. If the bat develops as expected, he'll profile at any position, including first base or DH if the catching thing doesn't work out -- although he's a potential MVP candidate if he stays behind the plate as well. The Yankees could use him as trade bait now if they don't believe in his future hitting potential, or if his history of attitude questions has them doubting his commitment to improving his defense.
The other prospect is J.R. Murphy, who got a cup of coffee in September for the team but would have likely spent 2014 at Triple-A even without a McCann signing; he'll turn 23 in May and has developed into a potential everyday catcher with solid catch-and-throw skills, with on-base and power skills that both project now as solid-average.
While he could become trade bait, another scenario has him serving as McCann's backup in 2015 and 2016, gradually taking over catching duties if McCann transitions to first base as he gets into this 30s. I'd probably look to trade him rather than bank on so many variables in that long-term plan, but I don't think it's unrealistic if they choose to go that way.
Atlanta, McCann's former team, gets a compensatory draft pick for losing him, and will apparently roll with Evan Gattis as the team's primary catcher in 2014, even though the slugger doesn't hit right-handed pitching at all (a .284 OBP on the year, and still dropping as the season ended) and doesn't seem durable enough for the everyday job.
The team does have one of the best defensive catching prospects in the game in Christian Bethancourt, a Panamanian backstop with an incredible arm and plus hands but awful plate discipline. He did hit .300/.338/.512 in the second half of 2013 while repeating Double-A, getting his plus raw power into the game because he made so much more contact, striking out in less than 11 percent of his plate appearances. I'd rather see him get the bulk of the playing time in the majors, knowing his defense alone will be worth over a win, maybe close to two wins, and let Gattis resume the bench role where he backs up Bethancourt and plays some left field.
Market impact
McCann's signing leaves very little catching on the market, with Jarrod Saltalamacchia the only one worthy of a multi-year deal, after whom suitors are looking at guys like Dioner Navarro and A.J. Pierzynski. The two reported bidders on McCann who lost out, Boston and Texas, both have high-end catching prospects racing to the majors and may have been unwilling to commit to a deal of this length with a no-trade clause, given what they have in their systems.
The Red Sox have defensive wizard Christian Vazquez heading to Triple-A this year, and former first-rounder Blake Swihart, a good defender with bigger offensive upside, heading for Double-A, so they can probably do just fine with David Ross and a partner like a Navarro.
Texas could do a lot worse than give Geovany Soto everyday duty for a year and see how Jorge Alfaro, a Colombian-born rifleman with 70-grade raw power and plate discipline just slightly better than Bethancourt's, handles high Class A in 2013.
The Rockies may have made a late push for McCann, which makes a ton of sense -- in that ballpark, he'd challenge for an MVP award, and they need a better defender to let them slide Wilin Rosario to a position he can handle. Their options are limited, due to their budget, and I think it's more likely they try to fill the spot via trade.
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ESPN columnist was pushing Profar for Tavares. Tulo would be the costly big splash.
STL has seemingly won the Peralta sweepstakes. I didn't love him in Cleveland (or Detroit), and I don't love him now. Turning 32 in May. Just served a lengthy suspension.
I believe the Mets offered the 4/52 which drove up his price and suitors. Cards likely give him that fifth year for $56M. He even pushed/wanted 6/76.
I preferred Baltimore overpay for Peralta. Next to Hardy at third until Machado's fully healed. Then moved to LF. One or two year deal for McLouth. Roberts gets a one year to man second.
STL has seemingly won the Peralta sweepstakes. I didn't love him in Cleveland (or Detroit), and I don't love him now. Turning 32 in May. Just served a lengthy suspension.
I believe the Mets offered the 4/52 which drove up his price and suitors. Cards likely give him that fifth year for $56M. He even pushed/wanted 6/76.
I preferred Baltimore overpay for Peralta. Next to Hardy at third until Machado's fully healed. Then moved to LF. One or two year deal for McLouth. Roberts gets a one year to man second.
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Glad the Mets didn't overpay for Peralta.
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Harvey, Wheeler, Noah.
Shelby, Wacha, Baby Pedro.
Walker, Hultzen.
Bundy, Gausman.
Shelby, Wacha, Baby Pedro.
Walker, Hultzen.
Bundy, Gausman.
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Strasburg, Gonzalez, Zimmermann, Giolito
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Nats are a competent manager away from the WS. Let's see if Matty is the guy.
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From all accounts I've heard from the radio, former players, and articles I've read it seems like he's the guy they need. Davey Johnson was just too relaxed for a team that really needed some intensity. However, I don't think we can win a World Series with the roster we have. We need to upgrade at either the CF/1B position, add another quality starter (maybe Samardzija in a trade
), and get a backup catcher who can handle the bat a little bit since Wilson Ramos is bound to go on the DL at some point, I'd like to acquire Hank Conger to handle that position but who knows who'll fill that void.
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I truly wanted to see Cal manage the Nats. I know he lacks the desired experience, it would have been an interesting process and storyline.
I felt Roark and Detwiler aren't bad back end options after Stras, Gio, Zim.
Navarro could be your backup C behind Ramos. Take a flier on Morse again for his streaky bat and potential pop. Spell LaRoche.
Move Span and sign Ells.
I felt Roark and Detwiler aren't bad back end options after Stras, Gio, Zim.
Navarro could be your backup C behind Ramos. Take a flier on Morse again for his streaky bat and potential pop. Spell LaRoche.
Move Span and sign Ells.
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I don't see Cal being a good manager. Just a personal opinion, but when I hear him talk baseball, I feel like he's not modern enough.
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If I owned a club, I'd want Daniels as GM and Maddon as manager. Just my preference.
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Cal managing would've been very interesting, especially with Baltimore being right down the road. Peter Angelos and O's fans would hate it
And I think Roark and Taylor Jordan will end up battling for the #5 spot in the rotation. If no moves are made Detwiler will be the #4, but he regressed a little last year after coming off the DL. He really only has one pitch and when he's not on it can get pretty ugly.
I'm on board with Navarro backing up, he's a solid vet who can definitely handle the staff. But I can almost guarantee that Morse won't come back to DC ever again, he wouldn't wanna be on the bench or we wouldn't have traded him in the first place.
Ellsbury is the guy who would make us lethal. Great leadoff guy, he'll steal a ton of bases, and he'll play great defense in CF. I just don't think the Nats are really trying to make that splash, if I were GM it'd be a different story though. Hell, if I were GM I'd try to make a play for Matty Kemp.
And I think Roark and Taylor Jordan will end up battling for the #5 spot in the rotation. If no moves are made Detwiler will be the #4, but he regressed a little last year after coming off the DL. He really only has one pitch and when he's not on it can get pretty ugly.
I'm on board with Navarro backing up, he's a solid vet who can definitely handle the staff. But I can almost guarantee that Morse won't come back to DC ever again, he wouldn't wanna be on the bench or we wouldn't have traded him in the first place.
Ellsbury is the guy who would make us lethal. Great leadoff guy, he'll steal a ton of bases, and he'll play great defense in CF. I just don't think the Nats are really trying to make that splash, if I were GM it'd be a different story though. Hell, if I were GM I'd try to make a play for Matty Kemp.
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Seattle seems less and less likely. No hometown discount.
Ells is going to be 30. Had a 5.8 WAR season. 4.1 projection for 2014 by SI based on four year average and slight adjustment. Injury history. Power surge in a singular season.
He's a Boras client. 7/126 for Werth is the minimum. Boras is targeting 7/142 like Crawford. Some MLB analysts believe 7/150 is not out of the question.
I think 6/120 is fair at $20M-per, but I get the market is inflated and Boras is a shrewd negotiator.
I doubt Daniels pays out $150M over 7 years. That leaves Choo for Texas. Beltran feels less likely to Arlington. I feel his destination is NYY, BOS, or KC as a dark horse.
Ells is going to be 30. Had a 5.8 WAR season. 4.1 projection for 2014 by SI based on four year average and slight adjustment. Injury history. Power surge in a singular season.
He's a Boras client. 7/126 for Werth is the minimum. Boras is targeting 7/142 like Crawford. Some MLB analysts believe 7/150 is not out of the question.
I think 6/120 is fair at $20M-per, but I get the market is inflated and Boras is a shrewd negotiator.
I doubt Daniels pays out $150M over 7 years. That leaves Choo for Texas. Beltran feels less likely to Arlington. I feel his destination is NYY, BOS, or KC as a dark horse.
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Kemp is a sleeper asset potentially acquired through trade if you move him to a corner OF spot and confirm a clean bill of health moving forward. You could probably get LAD to eat a portion of his contract like Detroit for Prince, depending on the pieces you're willing to part with to LAD.
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Can't have that. Kemp in pinstripes scares me more than Ramsay Snow's torture chamber.
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I'll get into that Ellsbury stuff tomorrow
Dave Cameron threw an interesting scenario out there, CC for Kemp.
:x no thanks, ill stick with kemp, he seems like the lesser of two evils out of that trade
besides, one of these guys is bound to miss significant time, im of the camp that says keep all 4 OFs
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You move Dre if you find somebody to eat his bad contract.
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