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no idea how people are criticizing him when you've made a career off of money hungry players :lol:

let the guy live
 
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That contract on the Yankees roster would be more :x because they overpay for dang near every player they have. In that article Pro posted, you'll see that the M's still have TONS of flexibility and can keep dumping cash to players. It's all about the situation and circumstances.
 
I think the Mariners still have a couple moves up their sleeves.  Can see them trading for Price and/or Kemp.....and if they dont get Kemp they will go hard for another bat. 

If that happens, that doesnt make them a top team, but it sure makes them more competitive.
 
With how idiotic these owners are giving out these 10 year contracts to players in their 30's I'm starting to really think Trout is going to end up with over $350 million.

The money is good for everyone though as we know. My mid-market Twins in just the 2014 season are getting roughly $60 million for their share of broadcast contracts. :smh:
 
What is the projected Yankee lineup as it currently sits? I am aware that they will probably add a 2B or another OF, but what does it project to right this second?
 
Kal-El-8 said:
man.. i'm sorry, but i'd never hire jay z to be my agent.

**** that.
dudes wearing a hat to sign contract. :lol:
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Jay-Z just got Cano the (tied for) 2nd largest contract in MLB history. He's clearly doing something right, hat or no hat :lol: .
 
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Jay-Z just got Cano the (tied for) 2nd largest contract in MLB history. He's clearly doing something right, hat or no hat
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Cano improves Mariners, but enough?

The contract that will send Robinson Cano to the Mariners is absurdly long, but $24 million a year is very reasonable for a player who's the best in the game at his position and regularly among the top five in his league. He fills a general hole for the Mariners, who needed runs any way they could get them, but not a specific one, as he replaces a cost-effective second-year player with a lot of offensive development ahead of him.

And he doesn't do the thing the Mariners will need the most to get an appropriate return on this investment: Make them probable contenders.

The deal covers Cano's age 31 through 40 seasons, and in all likelihood he ends this deal at the easier end of the defensive spectrum, probably first base, where he'll be more of an average everyday guy if he hasn't gone off a cliff on offense. The near-term years should be spectacular, however, as over the last four seasons Cano has averaged over 7 WAR a year via Baseball-Reference and about 6.25 WAR per year via Fangraphs. He's also showing no immediate signs that he's slowing down, losing no bat speed or power and generating much of that pop from his hips, which is the kind of power that tends to last longer into a player's career. Cano is better against right-handed pitching but isn't bad against lefties, struggling somewhat against those who can sweep a breaking ball down and away from him, and he's an average to above-average defender at second. Safeco dampens power, but mostly right-handed power, so Cano's superficial numbers shouldn't be seriously affected. I wouldn't sign him to a 10-year deal, but I wouldn't sign any player over 30 to a 10-year deal, assuming I'd sign any player at all to a deal that long. (And for all the jokes about Cano using Jay-Z as his agent, Cano is also represented by Brodie Van Wagenen of CAA, who also represents Ryan Zimmerman and has not, as yet, released any hip-hop albums other than an obscure demo tape he'd like us all to forget.)

Ultimately, if the Mariners get 30 wins of added value from Cano over the first half of the deal, the second half will be very easy to tolerate, and he doesn't show any characteristics of a player who's likely to lose all of his skills in his mid- to late 30s.
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Nick Franklin could now become an attractive trade chip for Seattle.

The Mariners' main problem at this point is that signing Cano gets them closer to the front page than it does to a playoff spot; they lost 91 games in 2013 and were outscored by 130 runs, and Cano might, in a best-case scenario, close half of that deficit. They'll still need to add probably two more pieces just to look, on paper, like a winning club, before we consider their competition (two legitimate contenders plus a dangerous if imbalanced Angels team). That's not to say the signing of Cano is wrong or misguided on its own, but that if that's the only major addition the Mariners make this offseason, it won't make the Mariners immediate contenders or make them likely to see a positive return on this investment. Seattle needs more offense, with their outfield the most obvious place to try to upgrade it; they could use another starter as well.

The move gives the Mariners a surplus in the middle infield, with second baseman Nick Franklin, a former shortstop who needed work to be able to stay at that position, the most likely to be traded at this point. Cano is probably a four-win upgrade over Franklin right now, maybe more if he turns in an MVP-caliber season as he did in 2012, but Franklin will continue to improve as Cano gradually starts to decline, so the marginal benefit to Seattle here is all in the front-end years. Franklin is a switch-hitter who's got surprising pop from the left side despite a pronounced drift, while he's kind of useless hitting right-handed, .210/.296/.303 this year with similar splits in his minor-league career. He should probably give up switch-hitting and focus on tightening his approach left-handed while adapting to second base, a position at which he should eventually be above-average to plus, thanks to good instincts and game awareness that make up for below-average foot speed. He should have significant value in trade, perhaps making up for concerns over the regression in Taijuan Walker's stuff and delivery this year.

As for the Yankees, signing Jacoby Ellsbury helps them mitigate the loss of Cano, but they're now no better off than they were at the end of 2013 and have to find other ways to spend their money and upgrade the team in 2014. They're at the point on the revenue/win curve where their ROI should be highest, which means they should be willing to spend, but it's unclear on whom they might do so. Shin-Soo Choo would be the ideal free-agent target, as the Yankees need an everyday right fielder and his left-handed power should play well there, although they should pick up a right-handed-hitting platoon partner for him at the same time (no, Vernon Wells doesn't count). Otherwise, the best remaining free agents are all second-tier starters, many homer-prone enough to make you think Yankee Stadium isn't the ideal fit. Getting Cano back wasn't essential for the Yankees to contend in 2014, but it would have made that a lot easier to envision.
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dland24 said:
What is the projected Yankee lineup as it currently sits? I am aware that they will probably add a 2B or another OF, but what does it project to right this second?
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IDK what order they'd put em in:

McCann
Tex
2B
Jeter
3B/Johnson
Soriano
Gardner
Ellsbury
DH
 
I must say though, Cano was real durable. Missed only 14 games in the last 7 years? :wow: Never even realized that.
 
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macbk said:
I must say though, Cano was real durable. Missed only 14 games in the last 7 years? :wow: Never even realized that.
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:wow:

damn really? impressive as hell. second base isn't exactly a "light" position either
 
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I hate to see him go, but I aint mad at him though. You cant turn down a quarter billion I dont care what the situation is. Sure he'll probably lose on the M's, but s***, he was losing on the Yanks. Cano never seemed like the type to have to play in a big market. 
 
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7thAve btn 31stN33rd St said:
***a5in11 said:
Look at this thread and twitter. nothing but saltiness. High sodium levels in NY today
da proof is in da pudding b
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Cant speak for the rest of them, but for myself, I'm glad we didnt sign Cano for 10 years.
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Understandable. But NY screwed themselves over when they over payed ellsbury, but wouldn't budge on Canyes
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No they didn't. They still had money to sign Cano. They just refused to budge and go to double digits and move from $175mm - $190mm. With their history and what contracts they have on their books, it makes a lot of sense for them to stay in that range.

They've been trying to re-sign Cano since May but got resistance all the way. The problem is that he looks like a hypocrite. He fires Boras because Boras refused to open negotiations with the Yankees on a new deal & because he was being too lofty with his contract demands. So he hires Jay-Z's firm to do the same thing.

The Yankees had no shot to re-sign him from the beginning. And that's fine. I wish him the best in Seattle.

Also, don't take tweets and base the whole fan base off of that :lol: dudes act like ******* all emotional and **** on Twitter.
 
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No they didn't. They still had money to sign Cano. They just refused to budge and go to double digits and move from $175mm - $190mm. With their history and what contracts they have on their books, it makes a lot of sense for them to stay in that range.

They've been trying to re-sign Cano since May but got resistance all the way. The problem is that he looks like a hypocrite. He fires Boras because Boras refused to open negotiations with the Yankees on a new deal & because he was being too lofty with his contract demands. So he hires Jay-Z's firm to do the same thing.

The Yankees had no shot to re-sign him from the beginning. And that's fine. I wish him the best in Seattle.

Also, don't take tweets and base the whole fan base off of that :lol: dudes act like ******* all emotional and **** on Twitter.
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