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He'd be better served resting more? Is that your professional opinion?

He's healthy, so he should pitch for the purposes of building up his arm, accumulating innings of work and experience, learning to pitch more w/ the 2 seamer and down in the zone for contact, etc. One doesn't get "more healthy" or less vulnerable to getting injured by resting after TJS. And he has eased back into it; his rehab schedule went to plan, and now he's ready to pitch.


As an aside, according to Keith Law the ASMI has not found anything to suggest that certain mechanics predisposes a pitcher to injury. I'll take his (and their) word for it. 
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He'd be better served resting more? Is that your professional opinion?

He's healthy, so he should pitch for the purposes of building up his arm, accumulating innings of work and experience, learning to pitch more w/ the 2 seamer and down in the zone for contact, etc. One doesn't get "more healthy" or less vulnerable to getting injured by resting after TJS. And he has eased back into it; his rehab schedule went to plan, and now he's ready to pitch.


As an aside, according to Keith Law the ASMI has not found anything to suggest that certain mechanics predisposes a pitcher to injury. I'll take his (and their) word for it. 
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Relative to his career, the 4 or 5 starts he'll get this month aren't that imperative for his long-term growth as a pitcher. He can work on those things next year. Whether he can't get "more healthy" or not. It's the fact that he isn't exposed to any chance of injury or misfortune. If he's injured, it could've been avoided if he just sat out the rest of the year and no one was worried about getting him that 25 innings of work. It isn't that neccessary.

Keith Law may be right, but there are still pitches who definitely appear to be predisposed. Whether it's mechanics or just somone with a lot of misfotune, the risk is still there and its not worth the minimal action he'll see to end this season.
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Relative to his career, the 4 or 5 starts he'll get this month aren't that imperative for his long-term growth as a pitcher. He can work on those things next year. Whether he can't get "more healthy" or not. It's the fact that he isn't exposed to any chance of injury or misfortune. If he's injured, it could've been avoided if he just sat out the rest of the year and no one was worried about getting him that 25 innings of work. It isn't that neccessary.

Keith Law may be right, but there are still pitches who definitely appear to be predisposed. Whether it's mechanics or just somone with a lot of misfotune, the risk is still there and its not worth the minimal action he'll see to end this season.
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The only risk is the risk of injury that lies with every athlete. He's 100%, and wouldn't be pitching if he was anything less than that. Waiting till next year won't make him 105% or something. If he does gets injured in one of his next starts it will simply be because of Fate.

The ~50 total inning of work he will accumulate this season will give him a basis for next season. Big jumps in IP from season to season are detrimental to a pitcher's health and development, so If he didn't pitch at all this season and then pitched 100+ innings next season than THAT would predispose him to injury.
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The only risk is the risk of injury that lies with every athlete. He's 100%, and wouldn't be pitching if he was anything less than that. Waiting till next year won't make him 105% or something. If he does gets injured in one of his next starts it will simply be because of Fate.

The ~50 total inning of work he will accumulate this season will give him a basis for next season. Big jumps in IP from season to season are detrimental to a pitcher's health and development, so If he didn't pitch at all this season and then pitched 100+ innings next season than THAT would predispose him to injury.
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The only risk is the risk of injury that lies with every athlete. He's 100%, and wouldn't be pitching if he was anything less than that. Waiting till next year won't make him 105% or something. 

  


That's pretty much what I said, but with different wording. And I'm not saying he will get more healthy, but sitting out does eliminate any chance of him getting hurt again, even if it is only that risk that belies with every athlete. The risk is still there and he's your star pitcher going forward so i'd forget it.

I still don't think pitching right now makes any substantial difference. Whether it's 50 innings this year compared to 0 innings this year and a full season next year, the disparity is still big and might have a minimal impact.

Generally there are two schools of thought on this issue. That's the side I choose.
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Originally Posted by abovelegit1

The only risk is the risk of injury that lies with every athlete. He's 100%, and wouldn't be pitching if he was anything less than that. Waiting till next year won't make him 105% or something. 

  


That's pretty much what I said, but with different wording. And I'm not saying he will get more healthy, but sitting out does eliminate any chance of him getting hurt again, even if it is only that risk that belies with every athlete. The risk is still there and he's your star pitcher going forward so i'd forget it.

I still don't think pitching right now makes any substantial difference. Whether it's 50 innings this year compared to 0 innings this year and a full season next year, the disparity is still big and might have a minimal impact.

Generally there are two schools of thought on this issue. That's the side I choose.
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smiley: roll{ at Niger Morgan back to his antics tonight.
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smiley: roll{ at Niger Morgan back to his antics tonight.
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That's pretty much what I said, but with different wording. And I'm not saying he will get more healthy, but sitting out does eliminate any chance of him getting hurt again, even if it is only that risk that belies with every athlete. The risk is still there and he's your star pitcher going forward so i'd forget it.

I still don't think pitching right now makes any substantial difference. Whether it's 50 innings this year compared to 0 innings this year and a full season next year, the disparity is still big and might have a minimal impact.




The risk for injury inherent in all athletics for all athletes is simply not a good enough reason for Strasburg not to pitch when healthy.

And 50 innings is quite substantial in terms of progressive arm buildup compared to no innings at all at any level. If he wants to handle a somewhat significant workload next season, he absolutely should have something to build off of from the previous season. The Nats did the same with Jordan Zimmerman: a year after TJS he came back last season and pitched about 50 innings. This season he has been outstanding.

Regardless, the doctors and trainers are the most informed about the situation, and thus made the decision they did.
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That's pretty much what I said, but with different wording. And I'm not saying he will get more healthy, but sitting out does eliminate any chance of him getting hurt again, even if it is only that risk that belies with every athlete. The risk is still there and he's your star pitcher going forward so i'd forget it.

I still don't think pitching right now makes any substantial difference. Whether it's 50 innings this year compared to 0 innings this year and a full season next year, the disparity is still big and might have a minimal impact.




The risk for injury inherent in all athletics for all athletes is simply not a good enough reason for Strasburg not to pitch when healthy.

And 50 innings is quite substantial in terms of progressive arm buildup compared to no innings at all at any level. If he wants to handle a somewhat significant workload next season, he absolutely should have something to build off of from the previous season. The Nats did the same with Jordan Zimmerman: a year after TJS he came back last season and pitched about 50 innings. This season he has been outstanding.

Regardless, the doctors and trainers are the most informed about the situation, and thus made the decision they did.
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Thread Starter 
Also, TJ surgery is more and more successful as the years go by with pitchers. He may struggle the first third of next year with some velo but it's to be expected. I agree, if he's healthy and has the OK from the doctors he should be on the mound.
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Also, TJ surgery is more and more successful as the years go by with pitchers. He may struggle the first third of next year with some velo but it's to be expected. I agree, if he's healthy and has the OK from the doctors he should be on the mound.
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As a Brewers fan, Morgan was probably out of line after striking out to chuck his chew the way he did.  Better to let Tony's bat do the talking as it did a few nights earlier, however Pujols hardly needed to come to Carpenter's defense.  Carpenter and Morgan coulda done their thing and if it came to something, then AP5 can step in if necessary....

Love how Prince grabbed Morgan almost instantly and escorted him back to the dugout.  All Brewers need to do is focus on keeping their gap around 5-6 games and not getting caught up in the B.S.  St. Louis is frustrated and trying to get in their head, and Brewers just need to take care of their business and continue to play to their ability.  Rickie Weeks hopefully back soon and that lineup is pretty tough 1-6.
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As a Brewers fan, Morgan was probably out of line after striking out to chuck his chew the way he did.  Better to let Tony's bat do the talking as it did a few nights earlier, however Pujols hardly needed to come to Carpenter's defense.  Carpenter and Morgan coulda done their thing and if it came to something, then AP5 can step in if necessary....

Love how Prince grabbed Morgan almost instantly and escorted him back to the dugout.  All Brewers need to do is focus on keeping their gap around 5-6 games and not getting caught up in the B.S.  St. Louis is frustrated and trying to get in their head, and Brewers just need to take care of their business and continue to play to their ability.  Rickie Weeks hopefully back soon and that lineup is pretty tough 1-6.
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pimp.gif @ my dude Plush

Wish he woulda thrown his chew at Larussa instead.
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pimp.gif @ my dude Plush

Wish he woulda thrown his chew at Larussa instead.
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^^^^ Co-sign.  Does anyone outside of St. Louis really like Tony LaRussa?  Guy has been whining and moaning all year long about the Brewers, their stadium, lighting, lack of respect, etc...Love how St.Louis fans point to all their hardware and previous accolades when the season is winding down and its becoming more and more bleek as each day passes- you got 5/6 from the Brewers, now go 18-3 or whatever to finish the season and we'll talk.  Congrats on your past world championships and division titles.  This is 2011- Fear the Beer!smiley: smokin
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^^^^ Co-sign.  Does anyone outside of St. Louis really like Tony LaRussa?  Guy has been whining and moaning all year long about the Brewers, their stadium, lighting, lack of respect, etc...Love how St.Louis fans point to all their hardware and previous accolades when the season is winding down and its becoming more and more bleek as each day passes- you got 5/6 from the Brewers, now go 18-3 or whatever to finish the season and we'll talk.  Congrats on your past world championships and division titles.  This is 2011- Fear the Beer!smiley: smokin
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post #2661 of 77292
But why did Morgan react that way? from the highlights it looked like he did it out of the blue.
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But why did Morgan react that way? from the highlights it looked like he did it out of the blue.
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Carpenter said something to him as he was walking back to the mound.  Not sure what, but basically Carpenter admitted he's annoyed by TPlush and his antics so I am sure he rubbed in the K.  I don't really have an issue with the two of them jawing, but have no clue why Pujols felt compelled to fight Carpenter's battle that he most likely started.

Definitely seems AP5 feeling the pressure to lift Cards and make himself further eligible for a huge payday- not like that isn't coming anyway, but can't hurt to improve your stock close to negotiations.
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Carpenter said something to him as he was walking back to the mound.  Not sure what, but basically Carpenter admitted he's annoyed by TPlush and his antics so I am sure he rubbed in the K.  I don't really have an issue with the two of them jawing, but have no clue why Pujols felt compelled to fight Carpenter's battle that he most likely started.

Definitely seems AP5 feeling the pressure to lift Cards and make himself further eligible for a huge payday- not like that isn't coming anyway, but can't hurt to improve your stock close to negotiations.
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My embed got all messed up....but I was saying that JF has a cannon, but if it wasn't posted, you guys have to check out the throw Ankiel made last week.... eek.gif

Might have the strongest arm in MLB.
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My embed got all messed up....but I was saying that JF has a cannon, but if it wasn't posted, you guys have to check out the throw Ankiel made last week.... eek.gif

Might have the strongest arm in MLB.
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