2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

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Jewbacca2 said:
Marlin's jersey guy is paying Stanton, duh.
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Are those Stanton talks legit? Or like some have said, the marlins will make it look like they tried to keep him before they sell him to the highest bidder midseason
 
This is probably what annoys me about baseball the most. Pitchers winning the ******* MVP. It's so ******* ridiculous. Kershaw was IN less than 25% of the games, how the hell are you capable of being Most Valuable when you have so little to do with a full season. **** ******* pisses me off. Give him the Cy and leave it at that.




Stanton looking at 12/320 they're saying.
 
Ballerific703 said:
This is probably what annoys me about baseball the most. Pitchers winning the ******* MVP. It's so ******* ridiculous. Kershaw was IN less than 25% of the games, how the hell are you capable of being Most Valuable when you have so little to do with a full season. **** ******* pisses me off. Give him the Cy and leave it at that.




Stanton looking at 12/320 they're saying.
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The Angels had the most team plate appearances this year, averaging just over 4 per game. Every 5 days player X will, on average, will have 20 plate appearances.

Every 5 days, when Kershaw goes 7 innings, he faces a minimum of 21 hitters.

Pitchers impact on the game is roughly equal to what what hitters do every week, not factoring in defense. There really isn't as drastic as a disparity seems to be there when looking at games played.

Basic math is your friend.
 
I have no issue...Kershaw was money all season....only bad game I remember is when Arizona rocked him
 
Jewbacca2 said:
The Angels had the most team plate appearances this year, averaging just over 4 per game. Every 5 days player X will, on average, will have 20 plate appearances.

Every 5 days, when Kershaw goes 7 innings, he faces a minimum of 21 hitters.

Pitchers impact on the game is roughly equal to what what hitters do every week, not factoring in defense. There really isn't as drastic as a disparity seems to be there when looking at games played.

Basic math is your friend.
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Eh I think that basic of math ignores far too many variables along with being concentrated to far less games, so I find it tough to compare impact based off those numbers alone

That said I get why he won it this year. If Cutch doesn't get hurt he probably takes it but no other candidate this year put up a great fight so it worked out for Clayton
 
Jewbacca2 said:
 The Angels had the most team plate appearances this year, averaging just over 4 per game. Every 5 days player X will, on average, will have 20 plate appearances.

Every 5 days, when Kershaw goes 7 innings, he faces a minimum of 21 hitters.

Pitchers impact on the game is roughly equal to what what hitters do every week, not factoring in defense. There really isn't as drastic as a disparity seems to be there when looking at games played.

Basic math is your friend.
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I understand what you are trying to say, but I dont agree with your premise at all.  There are many aspects of the game that are being ignored with this.
 
It's clearly omitting defense like I stated.

My underlying premise is a pitcher's impact in a start is roughly equivalent to that of a hitter in the same 5 day period.

I believe you can make a better quantifiable argument than the basic example I made of plate appearances, but I don't have the time or resources to do it lol
 
Jewbacca2 said:
Ballerific703 said:
This is probably what annoys me about baseball the most. Pitchers winning the ******* MVP. It's so ******* ridiculous. Kershaw was IN less than 25% of the games, how the hell are you capable of being Most Valuable when you have so little to do with a full season. **** ******* pisses me off. Give him the Cy and leave it at that.




Stanton looking at 12/320 they're saying.
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The Angels had the most team plate appearances this year, averaging just over 4 per game. Every 5 days player X will, on average, will have 20 plate appearances.

Every 5 days, when Kershaw goes 7 innings, he faces a minimum of 21 hitters.

Pitchers impact on the game is roughly equal to what what hitters do every week, not factoring in defense. There really isn't as drastic as a disparity seems to be there when looking at games played.

Basic math is your friend.
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Clearly, basic math isn't your friend when it comes to this. I know some people think pitchers should be able to win the MVP, I don't. Cy Young is their MVP. That's just my opinion.



Stanton deal is almost done. 13/325, no trade clause and opt out. I'm shocked Miami keeping him.
 
Jewbacca2 said:
My underlying premise is a pitcher's impact in a start is roughly equivalent to that of a hitter in the same 5 day period.
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That is where I can't agree. A starting pitcher can only win you 1 out of 5 games, no matter how well he pitches. A hitter can win you up to 5 out of 5 (obviously unlikely and there are millions of factors but you get my point). :lol:

Just to note, I don't really have any issue with a pitcher winning cy young and no problem with Kershaw winning it this year.
 
Jewbacca2 said:
My underlying premise is a pitcher's impact in a start is roughly equivalent to that of a hitter in the same 5 day period.
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I understand your premise, and still strongly disagree with it.  To make this easier, lets compare Kershaw and McCutchen.

Lets say Clayton Kershaw wins every game he starts in ever 5 day period.  He has had a personal effect on 1 out of 5 games.  He cannot possibly have an effect on the other 4 games.

McCutchen gets the opportunity to have a personal effect on 5 out of 5 games in that same 5 day period. The fact that he only gets 20 at bats in 5 games, which is close to the same amount of batters Kershaw faces in one start, is absolutely irrelevant to me. He still is able to make a mark on every game his team plays.

I do not disagree with Kershaw's MVP or pitchers getting them in general.  I just strongly disagree with your premise.

**EDIT** my man @bbllplaya23.  Beat me to it.
 
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