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post #39511 of 77346
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That's gold man. I never looked at Ichiro that way but it makes sense.
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That's some excellent analysis actually
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post #39513 of 77346
Who's the bum that wrote all that? Poured his heart into it
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post #39514 of 77346
Gotta read all that later but the first part made me laugh.gif
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Who's the bum that wrote all that? Poured his heart into it
Mariners haven't won a division title since 2001.
He got a point of Ichiro being overrated in terms of team impact.
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CP breaking the backs of Russell and Ichiro stans roll.gif
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post #39517 of 77346
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Who's the bum that wrote all that? Poured his heart into it
Mariners haven't won a division title since 2001.
He got a point of Ichiro being overrated in terms of team impact.

Mike trout isn't leading those mariner teams to playoffs either
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Who's the bum that wrote all that? Poured his heart into it
Mariners haven't won a division title since 2001.
He got a point of Ichiro being overrated in terms of team impact.

Mike trout isn't leading those mariner teams to playoffs either
He'd create more runs though.

Ichiro never created more than 131 in a season in his career.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1101&position=OF
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CP wrote that? Why am I not surprised. And for the record I'm not a big Ichiro fan and honestly much of Seattle isn't either
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Who's the bum that wrote all that? Poured his heart into it
Mariners haven't won a division title since 2001.
He got a point of Ichiro being overrated in terms of team impact.

Mike trout isn't leading those mariner teams to playoffs either
He'd create more runs though.

Ichiro never created more than 131 in a season in his career.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1101&position=OF

Hes a 2/3 hitter. He's supposed too though. It still proves your first point wrong
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post #39521 of 77346
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Mike trout isn't leading those mariner teams to playoffs either
True. But they wouldn't be perennial basement dwellers either
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post #39522 of 77346
Jose Reyes created 142 for the Mets in 2011 out of the leadoff spot. Doesn't matter where a guy hits, great hitters create runs when they can.
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Mike trout isn't leading those mariner teams to playoffs either
True. But they wouldn't be perennial basement dwellers either

I don't think you understand how bad these teams have been
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post #39524 of 77346
Ichiro's only been good for at least 6 wins three times in his American career.
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Jose Reyes created 142 for the Mets in 2011 out of the leadoff spot. Doesn't matter where a guy hits, great hitters create runs when they can.

11 more runs in a whole season than Ichiro? You think that's the difference between playoffs and cellar dweller?
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post #39526 of 77346
If you lost 10 games by 1 run, maybe.
post #39527 of 77346
The entire point of my posts is that Ichiro backers claim he could do so much more. Hit for power, bat lower in the order, etc. HE WON'T. He REFUSED to do it. Hence, many of my posts.

He would not bat 2nd, or 3rd, or wherever, he wanted leadoff, and leadoff only. So he could slap his singles. And as a leadoff hitter, this "great" hitter that he is, he has merely a .359 OBP, with a laughable amount of walks (Trout has half as many walks, in almost 7,500 less plate appearances. laugh.gif )

He doesn't hit for extra bases. He doesn't walk (make a pitcher work, something a leadoff man should try to do) He doesn't drive in runs, what exactly does he do?

Slap the ball to short, run 90 feet real fast. So he can get stranded on first base. Job well done Ichiro.



Maybe had he batted behind guys, they would get better pitches to hit (since he's such a "good hitter") and then he could drive them in. But no. He just wants to make sure he gets 800 plate appearances a year, so he can outrun 230 ground balls and inch closer to 3,000 hits. Absolutely ZERO impact on making his team better. Zero. Utility infielders have more importance to a team than he does.
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post #39529 of 77346
I listened to a FanGraphs podcast and one of the guys basically said Ichiro could speak english if he wanted to but pretended like he didn't know how so he didn't need to use it.

The slander though is hilarious.
post #39530 of 77346
Why did this even get brought up? laugh.gif

Bartmans impact > Ichiros impact
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post #39531 of 77346
I'm taking requests today. George Karl in the NBA thread, so Ichiro's name came up, and I fulfilled said request. I'm a nice dude like that. laugh.gif
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post #39532 of 77346
I don't think you could go a week with out slandering my great city. Why you hate us gramps?
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post #39533 of 77346
Aye man, in fairness, I don't slander the Mariners, I don't do the Hawks dirty. I speak true on 2 guys. I praise Griff. I don't get in on A-Rod. I praise Lynch. Felix is a stud. I bash, literally, none of them.

But the praise for Russ and Ichiro, that they don't deserve, I speak on that. It's really that simple.
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post #39534 of 77346
I hesitate to ask but any Pitt guys....(in any sport)?
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post #39535 of 77346
Who, me?

Naw, I don't think I have anything too bad on any Pitt guys. The Ben jokes come and go when needed, but nothin serious, he's a helluva player. I clowned Troy a little bit in his heyday cuz I thought Ed was much better, but nothin severe or anything. And I like the current Pirates, for now. wink.giflaugh.gif
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Originally Posted by jhova718 View Post

Babe Ruth, assaulting refs and fans: hero

A-Rod, stuck a needle in his butt like thousands of other major leaguers: treacherous swine

Amirite?

This post would have earned a rep from me if you didn't refer to the umpire as a ref.  SMFH.

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I am a big Ichiro fan, but I don't claim he is some amazing, generational talent with the bat.  He is good at what he does.

 

I don't see the difference between a chopper to short that the player beats out and a line drive one hopper to the centerfielder.  Just me though.

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I am a big Ichiro fan, but I don't claim he is some amazing, generational talent with the bat.  He is good at what he does.

I don't see the difference between a chopper to short that the player beats out and a line drive one hopper to the centerfielder.  Just me though.

The one to short doesn't get a guy on second....or even third home


Bases loaded that ends up a double play where the one to the outfield scores two. They are the same with nobody on but other situations they are much different
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I am a big Ichiro fan, but I don't claim he is some amazing, generational talent with the bat.  He is good at what he does.

 

I don't see the difference between a chopper to short that the player beats out and a line drive one hopper to the centerfielder.  Just me though.

 

 

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The one to short doesn't get a guy on second....or even third home


Bases loaded that ends up a double play where the one to the outfield scores two. They are the same with nobody on but other situations they are much different

 

Another reason why batting average is a terrible stat. 

post #39540 of 77346
I think you guys over exaggerate how many times he did the weak slap single. He hit the ball all over the field. He just rarely elevated it
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