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Projecting Yoenis Cespedes.

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A free-agent market rather thin on outfielders gets a little more exciting soon, with Cuban star Yoenis Cespedes entering the mix once he's approved for temporary residency in the Dominican Republic. With Grady Sizemore's return to Cleveland, Coco Crisp becomes by far the best center fielder available, so it's not surprising that most teams have sent scouts to check on Cespedes.

Evaluating a player from Cuba provides a unique set of challenges that aren't present when scouting other international prospects. Observing workouts isn't the ideal scouting situation. And as awesome as the official Yoenis Cespedes video is -- featuring a "Star Wars" opening and a montage set to "Sailing" by Christopher Cross -- it's a thin foundation on which to give an eight-figure contract.

As such, the stats become even more important than usual as they provide the main source of objective information about Cespedes.

However, the stats come with problems of their own. Getting comprehensive Cuban baseball stats is a difficult task because the record-keeping is spotty. Further complicating the task is the fact that unlike moves from Japan, there are relatively few major leaguers with experience playing Cuban baseball. And you can forget about things like park factors.

[h4]Translation mode[/h4]
Here's how Cespedes' recent Cuban stats would roughly translate if he were playing in the majors (and he had a neutral home park).
[table][tr][th=""]Yr[/th][th=""]BA[/th][th=""]OB[/th][th=""]SLG[/th][th=""]HR[/th][th=""]RBI[/th][th=""]SB[/th][/tr][tr][td]'08[/td][td].243[/td][td].290[/td][td].388[/td][td]21[/td][td]77[/td][td]5[/td][/tr][tr][td]'09[/td][td].262[/td][td].322[/td][td].410[/td][td]19[/td][td]75[/td][td]5[/td][/tr][tr][td]'10[/td][td].269[/td][td].329[/td][td].412[/td][td]18[/td][td]66[/td][td]6[/td][/tr][tr][td]'11[/td][td].266[/td][td].332[/td][td].445[/td][td]27[/td][td]98[/td][td]13[/td][/tr][/table]

Using the stats of the Cuban baseball players who have come to the U.S. in the past 15 years, we can deduce that Cuba's Serie Nacional is a high-batting-average league that's comparable to the low minors. The spread of stats also tells us something about Cuban baseball. Generally speaking, the higher the level of a league, the closer together the statistics of individual players are. The differences in player stats for Cuba, once you take into consideration the shorter season, suggest a level similar to high Class A.

In the table to the right, I've translated Cespedes' Cuban stats to show you what they would look like if he were playing for a major league team with a neutral home park. And if we assume he's a good defensive center fielder, he appears to be a solid player. Using the ZiPS projection system, we can get a good estimate of what Cespedes' numbers would look like in the majors over the next few years. While projecting based on Cuban stats can be tricky for some of the reasons I outlined above, ZiPS nailed the Alexei Ramirez projection when he signed with the White Sox a few years ago. For 2008 through 2011, ZiPS projected that Ramirez's line would be .269 AVG/.316 OBP/.418 SLG , and his actual line was .279/.323/.421. So that gives us some hope for the Cespedes projection.

Based on Cespedes' Cuban career, ZiPS suggests that his profile is similar to players such as Kevin McReynolds, Mike Devereaux and Aaron Rowand. And going forward, it's not hard to see why Cespedes is so sought after. ZiPS projects him to be clearly better than any center fielder on the market, and while he doesn't project to be a star in any individual season, he may be able to catch that label in his better seasons.

[h4]Projecting Cespedes[/h4]
Using Cespedes' Cuban stats, I used the ZiPS projection system to give a glimpse of his future.
[table][tr][th=""]Year[/th][th=""]BA[/th][th=""]OBP[/th][th=""]SLG[/th][th=""]HR[/th][th=""]RBI[/th][th=""]SB[/th][th=""]WAR[/th][/tr][tr][td]2012[/td][td].270[/td][td].331[/td][td].435[/td][td]23[/td][td]86[/td][td]9[/td][td]3.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]2013[/td][td].269[/td][td].331[/td][td].439[/td][td]23[/td][td]84[/td][td]9[/td][td]3.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]2014[/td][td].267[/td][td].330[/td][td].435[/td][td]22[/td][td]83[/td][td]8[/td][td]3.2[/td][/tr][tr][td]2015[/td][td].268[/td][td].330[/td][td].436[/td][td]22[/td][td]82[/td][td]8[/td][td]3.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]2016[/td][td].264[/td][td].327[/td][td].428[/td][td]21[/td][td]79[/td][td]7[/td][td]2.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]2017[/td][td].263[/td][td].324[/td][td].418[/td][td]19[/td][td]74[/td][td]6[/td][td]2.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]2018[/td][td].259[/td][td].320[/td][td].402[/td][td]17[/td][td]66[/td][td]5[/td][td]1.9[/td][/tr][tr][td]2019[/td][td].256[/td][td].314[/td][td].386[/td][td]13[/td][td]54[/td][td]4[/td][td]1.3[/td][/tr][/table]

There are also good reasons for teams to shy away from paying him like a three-win player over the next several seasons. Simply put, there's a lot more uncertainty surrounding Cespedes than other comparable players. An Aroldis Chapman-type contract is far more likely, and his best destination is a lesser team that can afford to take an upside risk rather than a team like the Yankees or Red Sox that require a little more certainty and a little less gambling.

The other gorilla in the room is his age. Reported Cuban ages have a spotty record in terms of accuracy, and given the relations between the United States and Cuba, there's not much cooperation in verifying ages, as has been done more strenuously in other foreign countries over the past 10 years. Cespedes' listed age is 26, and if he's three years older than he says he is, his projected WAR for the next five years drops from 15.8 to 12.6. If he's five years older, it drops to 9.4 WAR.

That being said, Cespedes has intriguing potential, and adding top international talent is good for MLB and good for fans. Whether Cespedes is a success like Alexei Ramirez or a disappointment like Andy Morales is a question we'll have to wait a few years to answer.

Cespesdes will get paid but can he hit?

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The fact is, if a guy has never faced big league pitching, it’s hard to say he’s your classic “five-tool player." It’s probably one of the most overused and misused labels scouts place on young players. Why?

Of the five baseball “tools
 
Big fan of Yu Darvish, keeping a very close eye on the kid.
I'm hearing Oakland might shop Bailey to Boston. Can't say I blame Valentine for any lack of faith in Bard based on what he showed this past season (erratic performances). 
 
Big fan of Yu Darvish, keeping a very close eye on the kid.
I'm hearing Oakland might shop Bailey to Boston. Can't say I blame Valentine for any lack of faith in Bard based on what he showed this past season (erratic performances). 
 
Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

Big fan of Yu Darvish, keeping a very close eye on the kid.

Same here.  Buddy of mine was living in Japan and put me on Darvish years ago.  Been watching him for a while.  Hope he comes over and is everything Dice K was supposed to be.  He is FILTHY.
 
Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

Big fan of Yu Darvish, keeping a very close eye on the kid.

Same here.  Buddy of mine was living in Japan and put me on Darvish years ago.  Been watching him for a while.  Hope he comes over and is everything Dice K was supposed to be.  He is FILTHY.
 
He's going through a divorce. I heard the lawyer for the wife wants to make sure she gets a good amount of the posting fee and contract. So I think they're going to do it after the meetings next week. I'd trust Bard over Bailey 100 times out of 100.
 
He's going through a divorce. I heard the lawyer for the wife wants to make sure she gets a good amount of the posting fee and contract. So I think they're going to do it after the meetings next week. I'd trust Bard over Bailey 100 times out of 100.
 
^ Really, Pro? Bard is way too inconsistent for me, you never know what to expect from him. 
dland, barring injury I foresee Yu Darvish fulfilling all the hype and expectations "Dice K" received and beyond. Supposedly the kid really wants to stay in Japan and "revolutionize" the game there, but we all know the big money in the states is too tempting for any man to pass up. 
 
^ Really, Pro? Bard is way too inconsistent for me, you never know what to expect from him. 
dland, barring injury I foresee Yu Darvish fulfilling all the hype and expectations "Dice K" received and beyond. Supposedly the kid really wants to stay in Japan and "revolutionize" the game there, but we all know the big money in the states is too tempting for any man to pass up. 
 
Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

^ Really, Pro? Bard is way too inconsistent for me, you never know what to expect from him.

I don't think he's as bad as he was last year.  I think his secondary stuff needs a bit of improvement, he went away from them a little too much this year.  I've never trusted many pitchers coming out of Oakland, especially a guy who gets so little ground balls and likes to lead with his CB.  Not a fan for him in Boston.
 
Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

^ Really, Pro? Bard is way too inconsistent for me, you never know what to expect from him.

I don't think he's as bad as he was last year.  I think his secondary stuff needs a bit of improvement, he went away from them a little too much this year.  I've never trusted many pitchers coming out of Oakland, especially a guy who gets so little ground balls and likes to lead with his CB.  Not a fan for him in Boston.
 
Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

dland, barring injury I foresee Yu Darvish fulfilling all the hype and expectations "Dice K" received and beyond. Supposedly the kid really wants to stay in Japan and "revolutionize" the game there, but we all know the big money in the states is too tempting for any man to pass up. 
I have heard that too.  Apparently he has been saying that for years, as he could clearly have made it to the league years ago. 
 
Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

dland, barring injury I foresee Yu Darvish fulfilling all the hype and expectations "Dice K" received and beyond. Supposedly the kid really wants to stay in Japan and "revolutionize" the game there, but we all know the big money in the states is too tempting for any man to pass up. 
I have heard that too.  Apparently he has been saying that for years, as he could clearly have made it to the league years ago. 
 
[h1]Sources: Jose Reyes, Marlins agree[/h1]
ESPN.com news services

The Miami Marlins and shortstop Jose Reyes agreed to terms on a six-year deal Sunday, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

Sources told ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com earlier Sunday that the Marlins offered Reyes a deal worth a minumum of $111 million.

According to the sources, Miami would pay Reyes $106 million for six years, with an option for a seventh year for $22 million. If they decide not to use the option, they would pay Reyes $5 million.

Earlier in the offseason, Miami offered Reyes a six-year, $90 million deal, which he rejected.

Reyes, 28, is coming off the best year in his career. He hit .337 for the New York Mets to win his first batting title. In nine years, all with the Mets, he has batted .292 with 370 steals and 740 runs scored.

Signing Reyes, the best shortstop available during the winter, was established as the main objective of the Marlins in the offseason, as they prepare to open a luxurious new stadium near downtown Miami in April.

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Reyes

On Thursday, free agent closer Heath Bell agreed to a three-year contract, pending a physical, sources told ESPN.com.

Neither the signing of Reyes nor the reported addition of Bell mean that the Marlins have completed their Christmas shopping, because they are also interested in Albert Pujols.

A source also told ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com that Miami has emerged as the most likely destination for Pujols if the slugger decides to leave the St. Louis Cardinals, the only team he has played for in his 11-year career.


Information from ESPN The Magazine senior writer Buster Olney and ESPNDeportes' Enrique Rojas was used in this report.
 
[h1]Sources: Jose Reyes, Marlins agree[/h1]
ESPN.com news services

The Miami Marlins and shortstop Jose Reyes agreed to terms on a six-year deal Sunday, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

Sources told ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com earlier Sunday that the Marlins offered Reyes a deal worth a minumum of $111 million.

According to the sources, Miami would pay Reyes $106 million for six years, with an option for a seventh year for $22 million. If they decide not to use the option, they would pay Reyes $5 million.

Earlier in the offseason, Miami offered Reyes a six-year, $90 million deal, which he rejected.

Reyes, 28, is coming off the best year in his career. He hit .337 for the New York Mets to win his first batting title. In nine years, all with the Mets, he has batted .292 with 370 steals and 740 runs scored.

Signing Reyes, the best shortstop available during the winter, was established as the main objective of the Marlins in the offseason, as they prepare to open a luxurious new stadium near downtown Miami in April.

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Reyes

On Thursday, free agent closer Heath Bell agreed to a three-year contract, pending a physical, sources told ESPN.com.

Neither the signing of Reyes nor the reported addition of Bell mean that the Marlins have completed their Christmas shopping, because they are also interested in Albert Pujols.

A source also told ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com that Miami has emerged as the most likely destination for Pujols if the slugger decides to leave the St. Louis Cardinals, the only team he has played for in his 11-year career.


Information from ESPN The Magazine senior writer Buster Olney and ESPNDeportes' Enrique Rojas was used in this report.
 
Damn Reyes got paid.
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So it's gotta be bye bye for Hanley right?
 
Damn Reyes got paid.
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So it's gotta be bye bye for Hanley right?
 
Everyone had to know Reyes was going where the money was.

Eh, I feel like he could have gotten more money if his agent played his cards right. Miami was clearly desperate in pursuit, and so for Peter Greenberg to not at least make Miami sweat out the Winter meetings suggests his client was quite happy with the offer. No doubt the lure of Miami and FLA tax considerations played a part in that. Then again, no one would ever confuse Greenburg for Boras when it comes to negotiating. 
Hanley will play second or perhaps even third. Can't imagine he'll be happy about it, even though he's awful at his current position. 
 
They even said he might play CF
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they really need to address the rotation though. Would love to see them flip LoMo for a pitcher. BTW:

SBerthiaumeESPN Steve Berthiaume
Jose Reyes agrees to $106 million deal with #Marlins on same night #Mets say they lost $70 million this season. Wild start here in Dallas!

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