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post #5041 of 77570
Couple of things...

1. The MLB said this would have been done in 2013 regardless... so it's not like we didn't know this was coming, they just decided to do it year earlier.
2. The addition of a double wild card can only help teams in the AL Central and AL West... and possibly devastate but also maybe help teams in the AL East. Let me explain...

The Twins, Athletics, Angels, Rangers, White Sox, Tigers, etc. etc. NONE of them ever had a chance to get the Wild Card spot. On rare occasions maybe, but we all know how rare it was when that happened. So adding another spot gives those teams a chance to knock off a team like the Rays or the Red Sox that ACTUALLY deserve it in a one-game playoff Laugh

dland put it nicely

Hypothetically, lets say the WC team is the second best team in the NL/AL with 100+ wins. The second place team in the WC has 88 wins. Is it really fair that the 100+ win team has to play a one game playoff against a team that is incredibly inferior in terms of season record?

So true, but it's why I love it as a Twins fan. Laugh Not saying we're really contending for a playoff spot this year barring something spectacular happens, but for the future.

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post #5042 of 77570
Couple of things...

1. The MLB said this would have been done in 2013 regardless... so it's not like we didn't know this was coming, they just decided to do it year earlier.
2. The addition of a double wild card can only help teams in the AL Central and AL West... and possibly devastate but also maybe help teams in the AL East. Let me explain...

The Twins, Athletics, Angels, Rangers, White Sox, Tigers, etc. etc. NONE of them ever had a chance to get the Wild Card spot. On rare occasions maybe, but we all know how rare it was when that happened. So adding another spot gives those teams a chance to knock off a team like the Rays or the Red Sox that ACTUALLY deserve it in a one-game playoff Laugh

dland put it nicely

Hypothetically, lets say the WC team is the second best team in the NL/AL with 100+ wins. The second place team in the WC has 88 wins. Is it really fair that the 100+ win team has to play a one game playoff against a team that is incredibly inferior in terms of season record?

So true, but it's why I love it as a Twins fan. Laugh Not saying we're really contending for a playoff spot this year barring something spectacular happens, but for the future.

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post #5043 of 77570
As a baseball fan, I want to see the better teams advance
post #5044 of 77570
As a baseball fan, I want to see the better teams advance
post #5045 of 77570
I wouldn't like it if say the Braves win the wild card 92 games and the Giants were to win the second place wildcard with around 87 games and then beat the Braves in that one game playoff.

Last year wouldn't have been a great finish to the year if they added the wc in 2011.
post #5046 of 77570
I wouldn't like it if say the Braves win the wild card 92 games and the Giants were to win the second place wildcard with around 87 games and then beat the Braves in that one game playoff.

Last year wouldn't have been a great finish to the year if they added the wc in 2011.
post #5047 of 77570
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyGuy45

venom - I'll get in on that too if you still have spots  ryank97@hotmail.com


Flashback!

Brien Taylor, Former Yankees Superstar-To-Be, Arrested On Cocaine Trafficking Charges



Brien Taylor, the can't-miss prospect who missed,

was arrested yesterday on a whole mess of drug charges.
This comes after an undercover operation by the Carteret County (NC)
Sheriff's Office, in which cops allegedly purchased large quantities of
crack and cocaine from him.


Taylor is charged with two counts each of trafficking in cocaine by
possession, trafficking in cocaine by sell, trafficking in cocaine by
deliver, trafficking in cocaine by manufacture, trafficking in cocaine
by transport, and felony maintaining a vehicle.


He is also charged with one count each of possession with intent to
manufacture, sell and deliver cocaine and sell and deliver cocaine.


Taylor was placed in the Carteret County Jail under a $275,000 bond.




Taylor was a high school superstar who held out for, and received, a
then-record $1.55 million signing bonus from the Yankees. He tore up the
minor leagues, but when he got into a fight in a North Carolina trailer
park, he tore up his shoulder. He was never the same pitcher, never
made the majors, and as recently as 2006 was living at home with his parents, on a street named after him.


brien+taylor.jpg






I remember when the yanks drafted him, I swore those days of losing 90 gms was over till he got hurt. I had that card too . Shame ...
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post #5048 of 77570
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyGuy45

venom - I'll get in on that too if you still have spots  ryank97@hotmail.com


Flashback!

Brien Taylor, Former Yankees Superstar-To-Be, Arrested On Cocaine Trafficking Charges



Brien Taylor, the can't-miss prospect who missed,

was arrested yesterday on a whole mess of drug charges.
This comes after an undercover operation by the Carteret County (NC)
Sheriff's Office, in which cops allegedly purchased large quantities of
crack and cocaine from him.


Taylor is charged with two counts each of trafficking in cocaine by
possession, trafficking in cocaine by sell, trafficking in cocaine by
deliver, trafficking in cocaine by manufacture, trafficking in cocaine
by transport, and felony maintaining a vehicle.


He is also charged with one count each of possession with intent to
manufacture, sell and deliver cocaine and sell and deliver cocaine.


Taylor was placed in the Carteret County Jail under a $275,000 bond.




Taylor was a high school superstar who held out for, and received, a
then-record $1.55 million signing bonus from the Yankees. He tore up the
minor leagues, but when he got into a fight in a North Carolina trailer
park, he tore up his shoulder. He was never the same pitcher, never
made the majors, and as recently as 2006 was living at home with his parents, on a street named after him.


brien+taylor.jpg






I remember when the yanks drafted him, I swore those days of losing 90 gms was over till he got hurt. I had that card too . Shame ...
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post #5049 of 77570
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Originally Posted by MFr3shM

Last year wouldn't have been a great finish to the year if they added the wc in 2011.

True.  I suppose there could be great finishes for the second WC spot as wel.....but the last day of the season last year was one of the most incredible series of events I have ever seen.
post #5050 of 77570
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Originally Posted by MFr3shM

Last year wouldn't have been a great finish to the year if they added the wc in 2011.

True.  I suppose there could be great finishes for the second WC spot as wel.....but the last day of the season last year was one of the most incredible series of events I have ever seen.
post #5051 of 77570

The San Diego Padres and outfielder Cameron Maybin have agreed to terms on a five-year contract, the team announced Saturday.

The deal, which the Padres said contains a club option for a sixth year, is worth $25 million guaranteed, a baseball source told ESPN.com.

"Cameron has certainly emerged as a core player," general manager Josh Byrnes said in a statement. "During his time with the Padres, he has impressed us with his play and with his character. He has shown us that he is committed to the Padres, and we are happy to secure his rights through 2017."


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7641509/san-diego-padres-cameron-maybin-agree-five-year-deal
post #5052 of 77570

The San Diego Padres and outfielder Cameron Maybin have agreed to terms on a five-year contract, the team announced Saturday.

The deal, which the Padres said contains a club option for a sixth year, is worth $25 million guaranteed, a baseball source told ESPN.com.

"Cameron has certainly emerged as a core player," general manager Josh Byrnes said in a statement. "During his time with the Padres, he has impressed us with his play and with his character. He has shown us that he is committed to the Padres, and we are happy to secure his rights through 2017."


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7641509/san-diego-padres-cameron-maybin-agree-five-year-deal
post #5053 of 77570
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Padres, Maybin both win with five year extension.

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The Padres made one of the best moves of the offseason a year ago, acquiring Cameron Maybin from the Marlins for two middle relievers (Ryan Webb and Edward Mujica). The 24-year-old center fielder rewarded them with a 4.7 WAR season, and now they’ve rewarded him with a five-year contract extension. Dan Hayes of The North County Times first reported that a deal was imminent, and has since added details via Twitter

Front office source confirms Cameron Maybin’s deal is for 5 years w/ an option for 6th. Ties up first 2 years of free agency. #Padres

Source: Cameron Maybin’s deal is for $23-25 million with option on $7-8 million range. #Padres


The team has since announced the deal. The contract buys out Maybin’s final season as a pre-arbitration player, all three years of arbitration-eligibility, and one free agent year. The option covers a second free agent year and could potential keep him in San Diego through age 30.

The deal is very similar to the one signed by Chris Young (five years, $25.5 million), and it’s probably not a coincidence that Josh Byrnes was the GM for both deals. Although both players signed their five-year contracts one year prior to becoming eligible for arbitration, Young’s didn’t kick in until the following year. The Diamondbacks will have him under contract for one season longer than the Padres will have Maybin, but the framework is very similar. Curtis Granderson (five years, $30.25 million) and Franklin Gutierrez (four years, $20.25 million) also signed extensions at similar points of their careers.

Agent Brian Goldberg appears to have gotten his client a nice guarantee especially compared to Young and Granderson, who had significant power advantages over Maybin at the time of their contracts. Power pays in arbitration and in deals like this, not defense. One full season worth of UZR (+9.5) and DRS (+11) doesn’t tell us much, but the scouting reports and reputation certainly back up Maybin’s work in the field. Offensively he performed considerably better away from Petco Park (.357 wOBA) than he did at home last season (.297), which isn’t a surprise at all.

Goldberg did well for Maybin, but the Padres got themselves a nice bargain even if he settles in as a four-win player going forward. His salary would have been depressed during his team control years, but the club will get plenty of surplus value barring injury or sudden collapse. There is risk as always, but Maybin’s skill set is well-suited for his home park and the team secured the prime years of a guy playing a premium up the middle position. Everyone should be happy.



The Sizemore effect.

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As Aaron Gleeman noted yesterday, it has been a rough week for Sizemores. Oakland third baseman Scott Sizemore tore his ACL, and much less surprisingly, yesterday it was reported that Cleveland center fielder Grady Sizemore will be out 8-12 weeks after a procedure on his back. Grady Sizemore’s story is probably well-known to most FanGraphs readers: from 2005 to 2008, he was one of best players in baseball.

Since then, he has been hampered by injuries and increasing ineffectiveness when he was able to take the field. It was not as if Cleveland was expecting a return to super-stardom for Sizemore when the team declined his 2012 option and then re-signed him for 2012 ($5 million deal with incentives). The team simply needed another outfielder as they try to make a run at the playoffs. But Sizemore is out for at least a couple of months, and probably at least half of the season. No player stands out as the obvious replacement. Let’s take a look at a few options, and what Cleveland stands to lose.

Part of the difficulty with this sort of analysis is getting accurate read on just how good Sizemore is at this point. Over the last two seasons, he has fewer than 450 plate appearances in the majors, with an absolutely abysmal .254 wOBA in 2010 that only served to make his .302 wOBA in 2011 look slightly less horrible. How much of that was injury, random variation, or simply decline in skills is difficult to answer. ZiPS and Steamer projections both see Sizemore as about a .330 wOBA hitter in 2012, but the error bars have to be pretty big on that.

Fielding is difficult to evaluate in the best of situations, and the lack of recent data for Sizemore makes it even worse. At his best, Sizemore was seen as an outfielder with good range and a bad arm, and the range has probably suffered. Optimistically with above-average offense and average fielding, Sizemore probably projected at between two and three wins above replacement if he did manage to play something like a full season.

Sizemore’s direct replacement is not much of a mystery. Due to Sizemore’s injuries, left fielder Michael Brantley has started 127 games in center over the last three season. Offensively, Steamer projects Brantley for a .316 wOBA, ZiPS for .313. That was around league average in 2011 — not starter-worthy in left field without great defense, but it might play in center.

It is difficult to evaluate how good or bad Brantley is in the field. Both UZR and DRS see him as slightly above-average in left, and horrible in center. However, the sample size is small even for those most confident in the measurements given by those metrics: less than 1200 innings over three full seasons. Brantley had a reputation as a good outfielder in the minors. If he is about an average center fielder, then he is about a two-win player over a full season given the hitting projections — almost as good as Sizemore was projected. If one thinks Brantley is a really bad center fielder (say, -10 runs), then he is between a win and two wins worse than Sizemore over a full season.

Along with Shin-Soo Choo, Brantley was going to start in the outfield even with Sizemore healthy, so whether he plays left or center, that will not change. What are some options for the now-open third spot? Apparently there are about ten players who might have a chance. Let`s briefly look at a few.

Russ Canzler and Matt LaPorta`s names will come up, but both have questions about their alleged Quad-A-ness, so we will leave them aside for now. Thomas Neal and Trevor Crowe are also mentioned, but at this point, they seem to be marginal players even as bench fodder. Ryan Spilborghs is finally out of Colorado, and, well, he would make a heck of a corner outfielder for a AAA team. Nick Weglarz is in camp, but did not hit in the minors when healthy in 2011, and he was a bat-first prospect. I was a Felix Pie advocate for years, but while he showed real promise in 2009, things just kept getting worse — he is even borderline as a bench player at this point.

I may have missed something, and I`m sure some will disagree with me, I think there should be four players in the mix for Cleveland`s remaining outfield spot to start the season. None of them are especially appealing, but all could be helpful if utilized properly.

One somewhat “safe

post #5054 of 77570
Thread Starter 

Padres, Maybin both win with five year extension.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Spoiler [+]

The Padres made one of the best moves of the offseason a year ago, acquiring Cameron Maybin from the Marlins for two middle relievers (Ryan Webb and Edward Mujica). The 24-year-old center fielder rewarded them with a 4.7 WAR season, and now they’ve rewarded him with a five-year contract extension. Dan Hayes of The North County Times first reported that a deal was imminent, and has since added details via Twitter

Front office source confirms Cameron Maybin’s deal is for 5 years w/ an option for 6th. Ties up first 2 years of free agency. #Padres

Source: Cameron Maybin’s deal is for $23-25 million with option on $7-8 million range. #Padres


The team has since announced the deal. The contract buys out Maybin’s final season as a pre-arbitration player, all three years of arbitration-eligibility, and one free agent year. The option covers a second free agent year and could potential keep him in San Diego through age 30.

The deal is very similar to the one signed by Chris Young (five years, $25.5 million), and it’s probably not a coincidence that Josh Byrnes was the GM for both deals. Although both players signed their five-year contracts one year prior to becoming eligible for arbitration, Young’s didn’t kick in until the following year. The Diamondbacks will have him under contract for one season longer than the Padres will have Maybin, but the framework is very similar. Curtis Granderson (five years, $30.25 million) and Franklin Gutierrez (four years, $20.25 million) also signed extensions at similar points of their careers.

Agent Brian Goldberg appears to have gotten his client a nice guarantee especially compared to Young and Granderson, who had significant power advantages over Maybin at the time of their contracts. Power pays in arbitration and in deals like this, not defense. One full season worth of UZR (+9.5) and DRS (+11) doesn’t tell us much, but the scouting reports and reputation certainly back up Maybin’s work in the field. Offensively he performed considerably better away from Petco Park (.357 wOBA) than he did at home last season (.297), which isn’t a surprise at all.

Goldberg did well for Maybin, but the Padres got themselves a nice bargain even if he settles in as a four-win player going forward. His salary would have been depressed during his team control years, but the club will get plenty of surplus value barring injury or sudden collapse. There is risk as always, but Maybin’s skill set is well-suited for his home park and the team secured the prime years of a guy playing a premium up the middle position. Everyone should be happy.



The Sizemore effect.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Spoiler [+]

As Aaron Gleeman noted yesterday, it has been a rough week for Sizemores. Oakland third baseman Scott Sizemore tore his ACL, and much less surprisingly, yesterday it was reported that Cleveland center fielder Grady Sizemore will be out 8-12 weeks after a procedure on his back. Grady Sizemore’s story is probably well-known to most FanGraphs readers: from 2005 to 2008, he was one of best players in baseball.

Since then, he has been hampered by injuries and increasing ineffectiveness when he was able to take the field. It was not as if Cleveland was expecting a return to super-stardom for Sizemore when the team declined his 2012 option and then re-signed him for 2012 ($5 million deal with incentives). The team simply needed another outfielder as they try to make a run at the playoffs. But Sizemore is out for at least a couple of months, and probably at least half of the season. No player stands out as the obvious replacement. Let’s take a look at a few options, and what Cleveland stands to lose.

Part of the difficulty with this sort of analysis is getting accurate read on just how good Sizemore is at this point. Over the last two seasons, he has fewer than 450 plate appearances in the majors, with an absolutely abysmal .254 wOBA in 2010 that only served to make his .302 wOBA in 2011 look slightly less horrible. How much of that was injury, random variation, or simply decline in skills is difficult to answer. ZiPS and Steamer projections both see Sizemore as about a .330 wOBA hitter in 2012, but the error bars have to be pretty big on that.

Fielding is difficult to evaluate in the best of situations, and the lack of recent data for Sizemore makes it even worse. At his best, Sizemore was seen as an outfielder with good range and a bad arm, and the range has probably suffered. Optimistically with above-average offense and average fielding, Sizemore probably projected at between two and three wins above replacement if he did manage to play something like a full season.

Sizemore’s direct replacement is not much of a mystery. Due to Sizemore’s injuries, left fielder Michael Brantley has started 127 games in center over the last three season. Offensively, Steamer projects Brantley for a .316 wOBA, ZiPS for .313. That was around league average in 2011 — not starter-worthy in left field without great defense, but it might play in center.

It is difficult to evaluate how good or bad Brantley is in the field. Both UZR and DRS see him as slightly above-average in left, and horrible in center. However, the sample size is small even for those most confident in the measurements given by those metrics: less than 1200 innings over three full seasons. Brantley had a reputation as a good outfielder in the minors. If he is about an average center fielder, then he is about a two-win player over a full season given the hitting projections — almost as good as Sizemore was projected. If one thinks Brantley is a really bad center fielder (say, -10 runs), then he is between a win and two wins worse than Sizemore over a full season.

Along with Shin-Soo Choo, Brantley was going to start in the outfield even with Sizemore healthy, so whether he plays left or center, that will not change. What are some options for the now-open third spot? Apparently there are about ten players who might have a chance. Let`s briefly look at a few.

Russ Canzler and Matt LaPorta`s names will come up, but both have questions about their alleged Quad-A-ness, so we will leave them aside for now. Thomas Neal and Trevor Crowe are also mentioned, but at this point, they seem to be marginal players even as bench fodder. Ryan Spilborghs is finally out of Colorado, and, well, he would make a heck of a corner outfielder for a AAA team. Nick Weglarz is in camp, but did not hit in the minors when healthy in 2011, and he was a bat-first prospect. I was a Felix Pie advocate for years, but while he showed real promise in 2009, things just kept getting worse — he is even borderline as a bench player at this point.

I may have missed something, and I`m sure some will disagree with me, I think there should be four players in the mix for Cleveland`s remaining outfield spot to start the season. None of them are especially appealing, but all could be helpful if utilized properly.

One somewhat “safe

post #5055 of 77570
Maybin's career arch has been interesting to say the least. 
post #5056 of 77570
Baseball to tell Oakland ... no way, San Jose

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.1032531#ixzz1o756SKXv
post #5057 of 77570
Baseball to tell Oakland ... no way, San Jose

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.1032531#ixzz1o756SKXv
post #5058 of 77570
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Baseball to tell Oakland ... no way, San Jose

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.1032531#ixzz1o756SKXv


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post #5059 of 77570
Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpmanFromDaBay

Baseball to tell Oakland ... no way, San Jose

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.1032531#ixzz1o756SKXv


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post #5060 of 77570
The article cites no sources, and doesn't seem to mention that Bud doesn't NEED the votes from MLB to decide that it's in the best interest of baseball to have the A's move to San Jose, which other owners (White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf publically) have noted needs to happen. Further, the article claims that contraction is on the table as a realistic option now. Really? MLB is going to fight the player's union, invite San Jose to take MLB's anti-trust exemption to court and destroy the jobs of dozens of players to preserve the Giants' territory rights? That isn't in the best interest of baseball, which Selig loves to proclaim.

I bet my account that the A's will get the right to move to San Jose. If anyone is interested in challenging, let's make it official here.

EDIT: Here it is, word directly from Selig's office: 

And, it is not true that Commissioner Bud Selig and baseball owners have all but decided to uphold the Giants’ territorial rights to San Jose, which would preclude the A’s from going there.

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post #5061 of 77570
The article cites no sources, and doesn't seem to mention that Bud doesn't NEED the votes from MLB to decide that it's in the best interest of baseball to have the A's move to San Jose, which other owners (White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf publically) have noted needs to happen. Further, the article claims that contraction is on the table as a realistic option now. Really? MLB is going to fight the player's union, invite San Jose to take MLB's anti-trust exemption to court and destroy the jobs of dozens of players to preserve the Giants' territory rights? That isn't in the best interest of baseball, which Selig loves to proclaim.

I bet my account that the A's will get the right to move to San Jose. If anyone is interested in challenging, let's make it official here.

EDIT: Here it is, word directly from Selig's office: 

And, it is not true that Commissioner Bud Selig and baseball owners have all but decided to uphold the Giants’ territorial rights to San Jose, which would preclude the A’s from going there.

A T H L E T I C S | U C L A | L A K E R S | R A I D E R S

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post #5062 of 77570
Quote:
Originally Posted by dland24

I absolutely hate the idea of the one game play in for the wildcard. Hate it. For so many reasons.

Why should a team be rewarded for finishing in second place of the wildcard race?

Isnt 162 games enough to determine what teams deserve to be in the playoffs?

Why a one game playoff?

Hypothetically, lets say the WC team is the second best team in the NL/AL with 100+ wins. The second place team in the WC has 88 wins. Is it really fair that the 100+ win team has to play a one game playoff against a team that is incredibly inferior in terms of season record?

After this one game playoff, the winning WC team now has to play the #1 seed having just burned their #1 starter. Is that fair?

Sorry for the rambling. I could go on forever why this is retarded.

Win your division then.

This now places more importance on winning the division instead of settling for a WC spot, which cant be viewed as a bad thing.
post #5063 of 77570
Quote:
Originally Posted by dland24

I absolutely hate the idea of the one game play in for the wildcard. Hate it. For so many reasons.

Why should a team be rewarded for finishing in second place of the wildcard race?

Isnt 162 games enough to determine what teams deserve to be in the playoffs?

Why a one game playoff?

Hypothetically, lets say the WC team is the second best team in the NL/AL with 100+ wins. The second place team in the WC has 88 wins. Is it really fair that the 100+ win team has to play a one game playoff against a team that is incredibly inferior in terms of season record?

After this one game playoff, the winning WC team now has to play the #1 seed having just burned their #1 starter. Is that fair?

Sorry for the rambling. I could go on forever why this is retarded.

Win your division then.

This now places more importance on winning the division instead of settling for a WC spot, which cant be viewed as a bad thing.
post #5064 of 77570
Does anyone have a good site with in depth previews for every team?
post #5065 of 77570
Does anyone have a good site with in depth previews for every team?
post #5066 of 77570
I use MLBdepthcharts. Google it
post #5067 of 77570
I use MLBdepthcharts. Google it
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post #5070 of 77570
happy for McCutchen, by the time that contract is done he'll be vastly underpaid. Loyalty on both parts is nice to see
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