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you risk your career each time you do your job. every time you step on the mound you risk your career. whether it's a comebacker to your temple or blowing out your elbow, if you're worried about getting hurt before you sign you huge contract in 3 or 6 years, you're in the wrong business. you get paid on performance.
 
what about Juan Encarnacion who had his career ended in the on deck circle? every time you do something, you're at risk. there are no guarantees in life.
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
you risk your career each time you do your job. every time you step on the mound you risk your career. whether it's a comebacker to your temple or blowing out your elbow, if you're worried about getting hurt before you sign you huge contract in 3 or 6 years, you're in the wrong business. you get paid on performance.
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are you serious? The existence of risk does not mean you don't attempt to manage it.

Do the Mets care about Harvey personally?


enough to pay him 150 mill with two TJ's on his elbow? Cause if they don't care like that I don't want to hear about how much Boaras cares.
 
Why do baseball players wear helmets?


Don't they know nothing is guaranteed, they could get hit in the face, tear there ACL running the bases, clearly we should just abolish helmets. :rolleyes
 
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JRS buy tix to Harveys next start!!!
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I don't buy tickets to Mets games. Not until they spend money. I do get free tickets from my friend's job so if he can get them that game, I will go.

The Mets don't pay people, Osh, it doesn't matter if he's healthy or hurt. They don't pay people period, they "can't afford it." Fact of the matter is, you're in a pennant race with a chance to do something special. If Harvey is concerned for his future then so be it, but this is real life when any and everything is possible. Just because you can put an arbitrary number on someone's innings doesn't mean he's magically less at risk or not. Let's say he gets shut down at 180, what happens if he blows out his elbow in spring training next year? What happens if he takes a comebacker off his temple? What happens if he's in the on deck circle and gets drilled with a foul ball? Pitching 180 innings and stopping doesn't guarantee anything. The goal in sports is to win a championship. If you aren't interested in doing what's necessary to make that happen, so be it, that's your prerogative, but shutting yourself down selfishly so you can potentially make a ton of money in 3 years doesn't mean your exempt or less at risk to experience a potential calamity.

No one is saying abolish helmets, why the hell are you being obtuse? An innings limit doesn't guarantee anything.
 
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i'm torn between this to be honest.    

if its a real serious risk of overworking him having long term negative effects, it should be taken into consideration.

at the same time, harvey has come off as a headcase for quite a while. publicly disagreeing with the mets and talking about how he wanted to pitch in 2014 after the surgery, publicly complaining about the 6 man rotation when its intended purpose was to make sure he wasn't overworked.  

i get the concerns, but boras and harvey have handled this extremely poorly. harvey just added fuel to the fire with those nonanswers.

at the end of the day, what we the fans think either way is irrelevant.  if he shuts himself down and loses the respect of his fellow teammates, guys like david wright who busted their butt to come back and play in this race to make a run, the guys he's in the clubhouse with everyday, that's a completely different story.

but if he voluntarily shuts himself down, they should consider a trade if it would benefit them. you get rid of a potential headcase and problematic agent teams prefer to avoid dealing with. its only going to be more problems dealing with boras further down the line.   pitching is still loaded,   degrom, matz, noah, and wheeler coming back next season.  
 
Honestly I don't blame Harvey ....get that paper playboy especially dealing with the Mets ownership. Don't let them pimp you out  
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
I don't buy tickets to Mets games. Not until they spend money. I do get free tickets from my friend's job so if he can get them that game, I will go.

The Mets don't pay people, Osh, it doesn't matter if he's healthy or hurt. They don't pay people period, they "can't afford it." Fact of the matter is, you're in a pennant race with a chance to do something special. If Harvey is concerned for his future then so be it, but this is real life when any and everything is possible. Just because you can put an arbitrary number on someone's innings doesn't mean he's magically less at risk or not. Let's say he gets shut down at 180, what happens if he blows out his elbow in spring training next year? What happens if he takes a comebacker off his temple? What happens if he's in the on deck circle and gets drilled with a foul ball? Pitching 180 innings and stopping doesn't guarantee anything. The goal in sports is to win a championship. If you aren't interested in doing what's necessary to make that happen, so be it, that's your prerogative, but shutting yourself down selfishly so you can potentially make a ton of money in 3 years doesn't mean your exempt or less at risk to experience a potential calamity.

No one is saying abolish helmets, why the hell are you being obtuse? An innings limit doesn't guarantee anything.
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So you think it's obtuse to get rid of helmets. It's obtuse not to expect Harvey to look out for himself 1stand do what ever he can to decrease risk,.



and the Mets not paying is all the more reason to shut it down, they don't care about Harvey's future.

here is the only take that mattter.s

If Harvey's doctors are advising a specific number of innings and Harvey embraces those recommendations, who in the Mets' organization is prepared to tell Harvey's doctors they're wrong? And if Harvey pushes past the innings limitations, are the Mets as prepared to assume the financial liability for what might go wrong -- as they apparently expect Harvey to be?
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Whatever, if Harvey is concerned about his career, fine shut him down. If 20 less innings means he'll magically be in better health then great, good for him. But if he gets hurt in his third start next year, none of this will mean anything. Nothing like an arbitrary number being the elixir to longevity.

Glad to see Flores drill one out. Kid plays with heart.
 
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Honestly I don't blame Harvey ....get that paper playboy especially dealing with the Mets ownership. Don't let them pimp you out  
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i feel that completely.   i don't blame him or boras for wanting to protect their investment long term.     they handled this poorly as hell though and deserve the scrutiny they're getting.

this is the same matt harvey who wanted to come back last september and publicly lobbied to do so.   this is the same matt harvey who has thrown tantrums when taken out of games early, this is the same matt harvey who has publicly complained about the 6 man rotation.   

i get the concern on his end, but things like what i just mentioned above come across as very hypocritical on harveys part.
 
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Mr Marcus said:
 
Honestly I don't blame Harvey ....get that paper playboy especially dealing with the Mets ownership. Don't let them pimp you out  
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i feel that completely.   i don't blame him or boras for wanting to protect their investment long term.     they handled this poorly as hell though and deserve the scrutiny they're getting.

this is the same matt harvey who wanted to come back last september and publicly lobbied to do so.   this is the same matt harvey who has thrown tantrums when taken out of games early, this is the same matt harvey who has publicly complained about the 6 man rotation.   

i get the concern on his end, but things like what i just mentioned above come across as very hypocritical on harveys part.
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good point...forgot about all that other stuff 
 
Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 16m16 minutes ago
J Johnson, 2009: 15.71 Pitches/inning
J Parker, 2012: 15.62
S Marcum, 2010: 15.58
K Medlen, 2013: 15.48
*M Harvey, 2015: 14.78*

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 14m14 minutes ago
Or put it another way:

Johnson: 3284 pitches
Parker: 3155 pitches
Medlen: 3049 pitches
Marcum: 3043 pitches
Harvey: 2459 pitches

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 13m13 minutes ago
If the Mets were to limit Harvey to 3000 pitches, at his current pace of pitches per inning, Harvey could throw *203* innings, not 180.

Rany Jazayerli
‏@jazayerli
I've been writing for at least 17 years now: it's not the innings, it's the pitches. Why the hell are we still talking about innings?

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 7m7 minutes ago
Without even getting into the wisdom of basing decisions on a sample size of 4 pitchers, USING BORAS' OWN CRITERIA, Harvey can go 203 IP.
 
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